Re: [aur-general] aur website default ssl

2010-11-01 Thread Alexander Duscheleit
On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 09:56:27 +0200 Pierre Schmitz wrote: > [...] > > In general I think it's a good idea that we now use https for most > sites and we shouldn't discuss about if that is sane or not but why > are some clients unable to handle it. > This just popped into my feedreader: http://ut

Re: [aur-general] aur website default ssl

2010-10-30 Thread Thorsten Töpper
On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 18:01:19 +0200 Philipp Überbacher wrote: > > It's funny that even on this technical list the term hacker is used :) > Really? It made me cry. However this whole thread is far beyond the border of our beloved state of "useful". This was a short determination between louipc an

Re: [aur-general] aur website default ssl

2010-10-30 Thread Philipp Überbacher
Excerpts from Justin Davis's message of 2010-10-30 17:47:59 +0200: > On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 4:42 AM, Philipp Überbacher > wrote: > > > > Often enough, and AUR is an example, it's sufficient to be logged in to > > change the current password. Knowing the session ID is thus almost > > equivalent to

Re: [aur-general] aur website default ssl

2010-10-30 Thread Lukas Fleischer
On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 08:47:59AM -0700, Justin Davis wrote: > If the password is used in more than one place and sniffed out, then > not only is the user's AUR account compromised but also other accounts > on other websites. It is easier to run a sniffing program that are > already setup to searc

Re: [aur-general] aur website default ssl

2010-10-30 Thread Justin Davis
On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 4:42 AM, Philipp Überbacher wrote: > > Often enough, and AUR is an example, it's sufficient to be logged in to > change the current password. Knowing the session ID is thus almost > equivalent to knowing the password. > If the password is used in more than one place and sn

Re: [aur-general] aur website default ssl

2010-10-30 Thread Lukas Fleischer
On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 02:30:58PM +0200, Philipp Überbacher wrote: > Now that you say maintainers, I wonder how the system works for TUs, > since they do upload binary packages. Is there a single sign-on or > something like this? We upload packages using devtools and SSH (scp(1)) - the same way t

Re: [aur-general] aur website default ssl

2010-10-30 Thread Philipp Überbacher
Excerpts from Smartboy's message of 2010-10-30 14:08:35 +0200: > On 10/30/2010 04:42 AM, Philipp Überbacher wrote: > > Excerpts from Justin Davis's message of 2010-10-29 20:25:26 +0200: > >> I'm glad I sparked a discussion! > >> > >> I however am still on the decidedly non-paranoid side. Yes I know

Re: [aur-general] aur website default ssl

2010-10-30 Thread Smartboy
On 10/30/2010 04:42 AM, Philipp Überbacher wrote: Excerpts from Justin Davis's message of 2010-10-29 20:25:26 +0200: I'm glad I sparked a discussion! I however am still on the decidedly non-paranoid side. Yes I know how man in the middle attacks work. Yes I understand it's possible. No I don't

Re: [aur-general] aur website default ssl

2010-10-30 Thread Philipp Überbacher
Excerpts from Justin Davis's message of 2010-10-29 20:25:26 +0200: > I'm glad I sparked a discussion! > > I however am still on the decidedly non-paranoid side. Yes I know how > man in the middle attacks work. Yes I understand it's possible. No I > don't think it's likely. Basically because there

Re: [aur-general] aur website default ssl

2010-10-29 Thread Justin Davis
I'm glad I sparked a discussion! I however am still on the decidedly non-paranoid side. Yes I know how man in the middle attacks work. Yes I understand it's possible. No I don't think it's likely. Basically because there is no money involved. Take that as naivete or ignorance if you want but I'm n

Re: [aur-general] aur website default ssl

2010-10-29 Thread Xyne
On 2010-10-29 00:32 -0400 (43:5) Loui Chang wrote: > On Thu 28 Oct 2010 18:01 +0300, Ionuț Bîru wrote: > > On 10/28/2010 03:27 AM, Loui Chang wrote: > > >On Wed 27 Oct 2010 14:14 +0200, Pierre Schmitz wrote: > > >>On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 11:40:19 +0300, Ionuț Bîru > > >>wrote: > > >>>As i said earlier

Re: [aur-general] aur website default ssl

2010-10-28 Thread Loui Chang
On Thu 28 Oct 2010 18:01 +0300, Ionuț Bîru wrote: > On 10/28/2010 03:27 AM, Loui Chang wrote: > >On Wed 27 Oct 2010 14:14 +0200, Pierre Schmitz wrote: > >>On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 11:40:19 +0300, Ionuț Bîru > >>wrote: > >>>As i said earlier in a reply to Loui, maybe we can do it > >>>better.Having https

Re: [aur-general] aur website default ssl

2010-10-28 Thread Ionuț Bîru
On 10/28/2010 03:27 AM, Loui Chang wrote: On Wed 27 Oct 2010 14:14 +0200, Pierre Schmitz wrote: On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 11:40:19 +0300, Ionuț Bîru wrote: As i said earlier in a reply to Loui, maybe we can do it better.Having https only for login and then redirecting to http is like not having it at

Re: [aur-general] aur website default ssl

2010-10-28 Thread PyroPeter
On 10/28/2010 08:59 AM, Justin Davis wrote: On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 5:14 AM, Pierre Schmitz wrote: On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 11:40:19 +0300, Ionuț Bîru wrote: As i said earlier in a reply to Loui, maybe we can do it better.Having https only for login and then redirecting to http is like not having i

Re: [aur-general] aur website default ssl

2010-10-28 Thread Malte Rabenseifner
On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 15:42:31 +0800, Gergely Imreh wrote: > On 28 October 2010 14:59, Justin Davis wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 5:14 AM, Pierre Schmitz wrote: >>> On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 11:40:19 +0300, Ionuț Bîru >>> wrote: >> As i said earlier in a reply to Loui, maybe we can do it

Re: [aur-general] aur website default ssl

2010-10-28 Thread Pierre Schmitz
On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 03:13:42 -0400, Kaiting Chen wrote: >> Pierre, >> How is sending publicly available information unencrypted insecure? It >> does not warrant a need for additional security in the first place. If >> someone wants to see what comments you post on a package they go look >> at the

Re: [aur-general] aur website default ssl

2010-10-28 Thread Pierre Schmitz
On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 15:42:31 +0800, Gergely Imreh wrote: > On 28 October 2010 14:59, Justin Davis wrote: >> Pierre, >> How is sending publicly available information unencrypted insecure? It >> does not warrant a need for additional security in the first place. If >> someone wants to see what comm

Re: [aur-general] aur website default ssl

2010-10-28 Thread Gergely Imreh
On 28 October 2010 14:59, Justin Davis wrote: > On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 5:14 AM, Pierre Schmitz wrote: >> On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 11:40:19 +0300, Ionuț Bîru >> wrote: > >>> As i said earlier in a reply to Loui, maybe we can do it >>> better.Having https only for login and then redirecting to http is

Re: [aur-general] aur website default ssl

2010-10-28 Thread Isaac Dupree
On 10/28/10 02:59, Justin Davis wrote: Pierre, How is sending publicly available information unencrypted insecure? Some (weak) arguments: 1. net infrastructure in between me and Arch-server can see which specific pages on aur.archlinux.org that I'm loading. And even change data such as PKGB

Re: [aur-general] aur website default ssl

2010-10-28 Thread Kaiting Chen
> > Ionut, > This is a ridiculous claim. Maybe we should tell that to amazon, > newegg, and oh I don't know... 99% of websites on the planet? Most > sites use https only for logins and transactions. Publicly available > information like aur comments, aur packages, images, etc don't really > need en

Re: [aur-general] aur website default ssl

2010-10-28 Thread Justin Davis
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 5:14 AM, Pierre Schmitz wrote: > On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 11:40:19 +0300, Ionuț Bîru > wrote: >> As i said earlier in a reply to Loui, maybe we can do it >> better.Having https only for login and then redirecting to http is >> like not having it at all. Ionut, This is a ridic

Re: [aur-general] aur website default ssl

2010-10-27 Thread Loui Chang
On Wed 27 Oct 2010 14:14 +0200, Pierre Schmitz wrote: > On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 11:40:19 +0300, Ionuț Bîru > wrote: > > As i said earlier in a reply to Loui, maybe we can do it > > better.Having https only for login and then redirecting to http is > > like not having it at all. > > Simply using https

Re: [aur-general] aur website default ssl

2010-10-27 Thread Pierre Schmitz
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 11:40:19 +0300, Ionuț Bîru wrote: > As i said earlier in a reply to Loui, maybe we can do it > better.Having https only for login and then redirecting to http is > like not having it at all. Simply using https for all connections is the easiest and best solution imho. Everythi

Re: [aur-general] aur website default ssl

2010-10-27 Thread Ionuț Bîru
On 10/27/2010 05:49 AM, Justin Davis wrote: On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Ionuț Bîru wrote: Hi, we are now using default https for aur.archlinux.org. Some aur helpers may need adjustment, others like cower/slurpy already works as expected. Kudos for their maintainers for following the aur

Re: [aur-general] aur website default ssl

2010-10-27 Thread Ionuț Bîru
On 10/27/2010 03:44 AM, Loui Chang wrote: On Tue 26 Oct 2010 23:50 +0300, Ionuț Bîru wrote: we are now using default https for aur.archlinux.org. Some aur helpers may need adjustment, others like cower/slurpy already works as expected. Kudos for their maintainers for following the aur developme

Re: [aur-general] aur website default ssl

2010-10-26 Thread Justin Davis
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Ionuț Bîru wrote: > Hi, > > we are now using default https for aur.archlinux.org. Some aur helpers may > need adjustment, others like cower/slurpy already works as expected. > > Kudos for their maintainers for following the aur development Hi I maintain clyde late

Re: [aur-general] aur website default ssl

2010-10-26 Thread Loui Chang
On Tue 26 Oct 2010 23:50 +0300, Ionuț Bîru wrote: > we are now using default https for aur.archlinux.org. Some aur > helpers may need adjustment, others like cower/slurpy already works > as expected. > > Kudos for their maintainers for following the aur development Hmm. How did you go about doing