Re: [Aus-soaring] Lithium batteries

2019-01-31 Thread Mike Borgelt
Instead of "approving" individual brands or types of LiFePO4 it would be smarter to simply require a BMS, either internal or external that protects the battery against over/under temp, over under charge/discharge and balances the cell voltages. I note the 18 A-H LiFePO4 weighs about the same

Re: [Aus-soaring] Lithium batteries

2019-01-31 Thread Mike Borgelt
Hmmm looks like the fusion battery most likely to be fitted to gliders is No Longer Available and the rest are on sale. I wonder why? Mike At 11:57 AM 2/1/2019, you wrote: So the approval process is typically vague. I doubt anyone is going to give you their proprietory on board circuitry.

Re: [Aus-soaring] Lithium batteries

2019-01-31 Thread Mike Borgelt
So the approval process is typically vague. I doubt anyone is going to give you their proprietory on board circuitry. Any LiFePO4 battery with a built in BMS should do much the same thing. EarthX actually have two redundant BMS built in but they are designed to start engines and be charged in

Re: [Aus-soaring] Lithium batteries

2019-01-31 Thread Anthony Smith
If you want to use them, submit a request to the CAD or either of the DCADs. (Note: the airworthiness team is very reluctant to have inflight recharging of lithium batteries). There will be a technical review done and then a trial period. If all goes well, an addition to the MTAR is possible.

Re: [Aus-soaring] Lithium batteries

2019-01-31 Thread Justin Couch
>From what I understand, it was looking at the tech itself - the onboard circuitry. There was also a bit of grandfathering since they'd been used unofficially for a while with no incidents.  I see Sean has popped up here so the GFA airworthiness group would be aware of it, probably just a case of s

Re: [Aus-soaring] Lithium batteries

2019-01-31 Thread Richard Frawley
For a rare occasion I agree with Mike. What were the evaluating criteria used to approve Fusion? > On 1 Feb 2019, at 8:33 am, Mike Borgelt > wrote: > > I'm sure that's nice for the Fusion dealer but these seem to be similarly > specified but with higher allowable discharge current and simi

Re: [Aus-soaring] Lithium batteries

2019-01-31 Thread Mike Borgelt
I'm sure that's nice for the Fusion dealer but these seem to be similarly specified but with higher allowable discharge current and similar internal protection circuitry. The internal circuitry is designed to make the battery "look" like a standard lead acid or gel cell type and the EarthX br

Re: [Aus-soaring] Lithium batteries

2019-01-31 Thread Sean
Techbrands is the Jaycar wholesaler. From: Aus-soaring On Behalf Of Nick Gilbert Sent: Friday, 1 February 2019 06:40 To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Lithium batteries Same product (and same price) available at Jaycar - although

Re: [Aus-soaring] Lithium batteries

2019-01-31 Thread Paul Dickson
Only the Fusion brand are approved at the moment. See MTAR 1/2017 on the GFA website at http://www.doc.glidingaustralia.org/index.php?option=com_docman&view=download&alias=2295-mtar-lifepo4-batteries-2017-08-01&category_slug=mosp-part-3-airworthiness&Itemid=101 Paul Dickson On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at

Re: [Aus-soaring] Lithium batteries

2019-01-31 Thread Nick Gilbert
Same product (and same price) available at Jaycar - although strictly speaking only fusion brand allowed at this stage? https://www.jaycar.com.au/12-8v-7-5ah-lithium-deep-cycle-battery/p/SB2201 Nick. On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 6:16 AM Mike Borgelt wrote: > This came in yesterday: > > > https://ww

Re: [Aus-soaring] Lithium batteries

2019-01-31 Thread Mike Borgelt
This came in yesterday: https://www.techbrands.com/store/category/li-battery-feb19.aspx?utm_source=battery&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=TBNewFeb19 These look good for avionics although you can't use them to start an engine. Mike Borgelt Instruments - design & manufacture of quality so

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2019-01-31 Thread Greg Wilson
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