Hi all,
I caught up with a number of gliding types at Avalon. Including one guy
from the Bathurst club helping out with the HARS PBY, Nugget from
Bordertown and a couple from the Bacchus Marsh clubs. I saw but didn't
get a chance to speak to a couple of guys from Boonah in the crowd.
These
Leigh, Tyre kickers I bet. John
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From: Leigh Bunting
Date: 03/23/05 21:11:57
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Subject: [Aus-soaring] Avalon
Hi all,
I caught up with a number of gliding types at Avalon. Including one guy
from the Bathurst club helping out with the HARS PBY,
Probably not Leigh.
Its hard enough to stay in the sport even when you like it.
Chris mcDonnell
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Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2005 7:19 PM
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Avalon
Hi all,
I caught up
On Wed, 2005-03-23 at 19:19 +1030, Leigh Bunting wrote:
Curiously, while occupying the GFA tent and talking to those that
wandered in, I reckon, that in the couple of hours I was there, 25 -
50% were ex-glider pilots and were interested in returning to the sport.
The question is, will
I don't think our limited marketing resources should be used in targeting ex
glider pilots.
These people already know all about gliding and will have left the activity
any one of a number of reasons.
A small percentage return to the sport later in life, once the kids have
grown up, the mortgage is
Agree all above, except the youth bit.
Indeed, you have pretty much described me. I got my C cert 16-9-76 (just happened to be handy), had a hankering to get back, managed a brief 3 day holiday at Narromine in Dec93, though didn't get solo again, and those hankerings still get at me from time to
As one who was also at Avalon (Hi Leigh) I tend to agree with Robert re
targeting former glider pilots. I also found a significant number of power
and ultralight pilots who seemed interested in trying gliding -
particularly in motorgliders.
As for the time/money/competing interests issues raised
Hello Peter,
There are a number of people, myself included who would disagree with your
appraisal of the fickleness of the youth market segment, it is not a complete
waste. Our club has picked up a dedicated and enthusiastic young member who was
introduced last year whilst completing his
spot on Peter
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Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 9:20 AM
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Agree all above, except the youth bit.
Do any of the VMFG people on this list know anything about the
ASW28-18E that is at Bacchus at the moment?
I tried e-mailing Ian Patching about it but the e-mail address
I have for him is bouncing due to mail box full.
I tried giving him a phone call but he was unavailable.
I gather that VMFG
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I gather that VMFG will be operating at Bacchus over
Easter and the ASW28-18E will be available for people to hire and try out.
If this is the same '28 which Bernard Eckey was sending around the
countryside over summer, I think you'll find that it has been bought.
(nice
A very interesting trail of who to TARGET.. But think about this... have a
look at the cross section of your club! Is there any one group there that
stands out sufficiently to Target?
Perhaps targetting a group is not what we need to do.. perhaps it is be
target everyone and accept everyone...
I have it on good authority that the following is
true...makes you wonder.
Subject: British Airways Flight Duty ClarificationBritish Airways
sent a notice to its pilots explaining what the rest of the world refers to
as the "monitored approach", a method where on an approach to very low
Peter,
Gliding *IS* a cool thing to do on the weekend. The thing that makes it uncool
is all the OFITTH's around.
Having only instructors with knee length socks will attract people with similar
fashion sense, who will later become instructors around we go again.
Having trendy, youngish,
Hi folks,
don't forget that while the 'current' generation of youth are into all
things 'X' rated the next bunch are eagerly looking to do things differently
than the 'old guys'.
I know of one family whose young daughter is into rowing. She is a wonderful
child and is fully immersed (pardon the
Hello Caleb,
I did not intend to absolutely denigrate youth or imply that they are an
absolute waste, far from it, and perhaps I should have phrased my
remarks a little better. What I was trying to say is that they are a
relative waste in terms of return on promotion expenditure.
To explain.
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:00:25 +1000, Robert Hart wrote:
I believe that the ex-glider pilot group is one to which we should
be marketing.
From the work that has been done at some clubs and within one region
in 'exit surveying' glider pilots leaving the sport, the problems
have been to get
I'd just like to make the point that most of you who are making comments
about what youth want out of gliding appear to have no idea what youth
-actually- want out of gliding.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: The Gliding Movement's
retention problem has nothing to do with changes in
I agree with what Emilis has said as it matches my own experiences and I may
be the 1 in 300 he cited.
Peter Creswick said not up there in the cool things to do on a
weekend.
Historically the air mindedness of the community that existed for most of
the last century and fed gliding is gone.
Greg,
The ASW-28 will only be available tomorrow (Easter Friday) as I am
delivering it on sat to the new owner. I have 4 from Bendigo coming to fly
it and myself.
Cheers
Ian P.
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Thats right but the new owner has agreed to us flying it.
Ian P.
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Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 12:16 PM
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Patching wrote:
The ASW-28 will only be available tomorrow (Easter Friday) as I am
delivering it on sat to the new owner. I have 4 from Bendigo coming to
fly it and myself.
Trim to 55kts and try out some phugoid oscillations in it when you
do. I stopped it after about five cycles; wasn't sure
OK
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Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 3:53 PM
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Patching wrote:
The ASW-28 will only be available
I think it is interesting to note that people talk about the demise of
gliding and some even put their finger on the trouble but then get a bit
confused with the next part, ie coming up with smart ways to address the
issue.
I've said it before and I'll say it again... The big factor in not
Ian Said : The comment that OFFITTH's put young people off gliding is
crap, look at the other issues first, I'm sure that the young person
doesn't give up just because the people are old, there are to many other
reasons that need to be addressed.
I must disagree with you Ian. OFITTH's DO put
Patching wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again... The big factor in not
retaining people in our sport is TIME not COST or OFITTH.
No, Ian, that isn't true at all.
People will think nothing of spending an entire winter day playing
footy, or an entire summer day playing cricket
Nick,
To be totally politically incorrect and ridicules
If we want to attract young guys along we need to employ
young blond lycra suited model types to run the rope and wings.
Then again they (the young men) may not want to do much flying with
all the action on the ground.
My serious
Nah, you'd get to an inverted stall first I think.
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