RE: [Aus-soaring] GFA's role

2005-12-18 Thread Christopher H Thorpe
I am the individual who has just completed the investigation of the accident at Bacchus Marsh this weekend. A comprehensive report is being prepared for both the ATSB and GFA. Pathetic is an apt description of you, "Blackbird Pilot", who makes a stupid assertion under an alias. -Original Me

Re: [Aus-soaring] Re: membership

2005-12-18 Thread Mike Borgelt
At 10:52 AM 18/12/05 +1000, you wrote: >Mike > >What model would you like to see set up that would embrace all the >glidings there are out there and how would it work? > >The big difference between ultra lights and gliders is the need for tugs >to get us airborne and I am not sure how things coul

RE: [Aus-soaring] GFA's role

2005-12-18 Thread Mike Borgelt
At 07:03 PM 18/12/05 +1100, you wrote: >I am the individual who has just completed the investigation of the accident >at Bacchus Marsh this weekend. A comprehensive report is being prepared for >both the ATSB and GFA. Pathetic is an apt description of you, "Blackbird >Pilot", who makes a stupid a

Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA's role

2005-12-18 Thread J Hudson
Christopher, Well said. As in amny walks of life, there are many who are willing to sit on the sidelines and snipe but, like "BLACKBIRD", are unwilling to state a position or proposal which might be considered reasonable by any normal, identified human being Blackbird's gutless. John Hudson

Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA's role

2005-12-18 Thread John Giddy
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 19:03:01 +1100, you wrote: > I am the individual who has just completed the investigation of the accident > at Bacchus Marsh this weekend. A comprehensive report is being prepared for > both the ATSB and GFA. Pathetic is an apt description of you, "Blackbird > Pilot", who mak

Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA's role

2005-12-18 Thread Mike Borgelt
At 08:01 PM 18/12/05 +1030, you wrote: >Christopher, >Well said. >As in amny walks of life, there are many who are willing to sit on the >sidelines and snipe but, like "BLACKBIRD", are unwilling to state a position >or proposal which might be considered reasonable by any normal, identified >huma

RE: [Aus-soaring] Re: membership

2005-12-18 Thread Kittel, Stephen W \(ETSA\)
>-Original Message- >From:Mark Newton >Absolutely yes, it is. > >Tug pilots need Commercial Pilots Licenses, and are hired on a >charter basis. A slight correction to Marks post. Tug pilots don't _need_ to be CPL in the US. However, unless they are CPL they can't fly for "hire and

RE: [Aus-soaring] Re: membership

2005-12-18 Thread Mike Borgelt
At 09:13 PM 18/12/05 +1030, you wrote: > > >>-Original Message- >>From:Mark Newton > > >>Absolutely yes, it is. >> >>Tug pilots need Commercial Pilots Licenses, and are hired on a >>charter basis. > >A slight correction to Marks post. > >Tug pilots don't _need_ to be CPL in the US. Howev

[Aus-soaring] Cost recovery

2005-12-18 Thread Leigh Bunting
Hi All, My GP, who is a DME, tells me that aviation medicals (for those that have a power licence) is going to cost them another $130. Although he sends the reports electronically, someone at the other end has to push a button to approve/authorise it. That will now cost pilots the said fee.

RE: [Aus-soaring] Re: membership

2005-12-18 Thread Graeme Cant
From: Mike Borgelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In practice the FAA regulates gliding with a very light hand. Mike, your annual Christmas messages usually contain some errors but I'll just mention one. There is no GFA equivalent of a posse of FAA inspectors ramp checking a complete competiton entry A

Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA's role

2005-12-18 Thread prep
Publishing crash reports *IS* too much to ask. Unlike the ATSB, the GFA has not legal sheild against being sued for damages or defamation for what is in the report. The only way it can reasoably happen is a change in the law, or for the ATSB to publish it. -- Paul Repacholi

Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA's role

2005-12-18 Thread Geoff Kidd
Paul   As per numerous recent posts on this Forum, I haven't heard anyone demanding that the original "Crash Report" be published. Most understand the issues that you mentioned.   But there is a considerable demand in this Forum, and elsewhere, for SOMETHING (of substance) to be reported to

Re: [Aus-soaring] Re: membership

2005-12-18 Thread Robert Hart
mark king wrote: This gets back to what the role of the GFA is. In my view the obsession with being the "regulator" and keeping CASA at bay has been at the expense of what GFA should be doing which is getting out there and developing gliding on the ground. Is the USA system of the government

[Aus-soaring] RE: Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 27, Issue 50

2005-12-18 Thread Blackbird pilot
All Sorry - an oversight on my part - forgot to add my sig. My name is Glenn Dunstan. I am a level 3 instructor, tug pilot and the ex CIP (CFI) of Canberra gliding club. The 'Blackbird Pilot' in my email refers to my other hobby - motorcycles - I own a Blackbird (Honda CBR1100XX). I stand

Re: [Aus-soaring] RE: Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 27, Issue 50

2005-12-18 Thread Scott Penrose
This is not really a conversation I feel qualified to talk about but I do want to add one thing maybe people don't fully understand. We are not allowed to publish information on a fatal accident until the investigation has been complete, which is often as long as 12-18 month later. This o

Re: [Aus-soaring] Re: membership

2005-12-18 Thread Robert Hart
Mike Borgelt wrote: As you well know there are such things as self launching motor gliders. Why should these not be operated the same as an RAAus member operates? Well - they can be - but not whilst on the GFA registry. I have been interested in the latest two seat motor gliders (in particu

Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA's role

2005-12-18 Thread John Giddy
On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 07:35:40 +1100, you wrote: > Paul > > As per numerous recent posts on this Forum, I haven't heard anyone demanding > that the original "Crash Report" be published. Most understand the issues > that you mentioned. > > But there is a considerable demand in this Forum, and els

RE: [Aus-soaring] RE: Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 27, Issue 50

2005-12-18 Thread Mark Fisher
Maybe I've missed something earlier in this thread.. I flew hang Gliders for 20 years, and learnt a hell of a lot from reading the accident reports in what was then "SkySailor" If it's good enough for HG's and paragliders, and even trikes to publish accidents and incidents, is there an LEG

Re: [Aus-soaring] The "From" field that we see as recipients is controllable by you, the sender.

2005-12-18 Thread Jim Kelly
Glenn (and others), The "From" field that we see as recipients is controllable by you, the sender. In most Microsoft Windows systems it is found in (eg) Outlook Express under Tools > Accounts (select an account) > Properties > User Information > Name. In Outlook (ie not Outlook Express) the wo

Re: [Aus-soaring] RE: Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 27, Issue 50

2005-12-18 Thread Peter Stephenson
We discussed this at length at the recent Safety Seminar at Caboolture, north of Brisbane with Kevin Oerlehead CTO Ops and Darry O'Connell President GFA. The hangies sign a declaration that they will not sue each other in event of an accident. Evidently it is legally sound. GFA does not have tha

Re: [Aus-soaring] RE: Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 27, Issue 50

2005-12-18 Thread Robert Hart
Peter Stephenson wrote: We discussed this at length at the recent Safety Seminar at Caboolture, north of Brisbane with Kevin Oerlehead CTO Ops and Darry O'Connell President GFA. The hangies sign a declaration that they will not sue each other in event of an accident. Evidently it is legally so

Re: [Aus-soaring] RE: Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 27, Issue 50

2005-12-18 Thread Boyd Munro
QUOTE "We were told that there are legal proceedings going on at present between gliding accident victims/estates." UNQUOTE Why is there any secrecy about the existence of legal proceedings? There is no barrier to truthfully reporting that X has commenced legal proceedings against Y claiming

Re: [Aus-soaring] RE: Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 27, Issue 50

2005-12-18 Thread Geoff Kidd
The RAA reported 9 Accidents/Incidents on P16 of their Dec/Jan Magazine.   These included Aircraft type, Engine type (not all but where relevant), Aircraft or Engine ttis, Conditions, Pilot Experience tt and hrs on type (not all but where relevant), and approx 2 paragraphs on the nature & ba

Re: [Aus-soaring] RE: Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 27, Issue 50

2005-12-18 Thread Mark Newton
Geoff Kidd wrote: A cynic might suspect that it is too easy to hide behind the "someone might sue us" excuse for inaction on this. Geoff, I think you're reading rather selectively. The message I've been getting isn't "someone might sue us," it's "someone has sued us." (Get Redmond talking

[Aus-soaring] Accident/incident reports

2005-12-18 Thread Blackbird pilot
Spot on Geoff, spot on. Just an objective report, stating the facts, as known. That's all. Not hard, really Rgds Glenn But there is a considerable demand in this Forum, and elsewhere, for SOMETHING (of substance) to be reported to the members