[AusNOG] Spare/unused Fortigate 80D for loan?

2017-06-13 Thread Jason Leschnik
Hey all, Just wondering if anyone in the Sydney/Wollongong area has a spare/unused Fortinet Fortigate 80D laying around. We're trying to isolate a hardware issue with the device but don't have anything to test against. Message me off list if you have anything! Regards, Jason.

Re: [AusNOG] Government intends to pass TSSR this parliament

2017-06-13 Thread Wes Cilldhaire
"Mr Speaker, the global threat we face from Islamist terrorism has been cruelly brought home to us in the past two weeks with young, innocent Australians murdered in Baghdad, London and Melbourne." Wait, there was an 'Islamist terrorist' attack in Melbourne in the past 2 weeks? Must have

Re: [AusNOG] Government intends to pass TSSR this parliament

2017-06-13 Thread Robert Hudson
On 13 June 2017 at 23:51, Joshua D'Alton wrote: > How do you distinguish between a VPN and https? > Please stop asking sensible questions. You'll just confuse the politicians... ___ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net

Re: [AusNOG] Government intends to pass TSSR this parliament

2017-06-13 Thread Joshua D'Alton
How do you distinguish between a VPN and https? On 13 Jun. 2017 10:13 pm, "Mark Dignam" wrote: > > > > > I predicted a while back during the censorship debacle… There will come a > time when we will need to get a license to use a VPN. > > > > I think that time is getting

Re: [AusNOG] Government intends to pass TSSR this parliament

2017-06-13 Thread Mark Newton
On 13 Jun 2017, at 7:53 pm, Paul Wilkins wrote: > > Firstly, we need to recognise the authority of the State is necessary for > security and freedom. As a concept, and as a question of degree, that claim is quite heavily contested. You're not going to get away

Re: [AusNOG] Government intends to pass TSSR this parliament

2017-06-13 Thread Mark Dignam
I predicted a while back during the censorship debacle… There will come a time when we will need to get a license to use a VPN. I think that time is getting closer… From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-boun...@lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Paul Wilkins Sent: Tuesday, 13 June 2017 5:53 PM

Re: [AusNOG] Government intends to pass TSSR this parliament

2017-06-13 Thread Robert Hudson
On 13 June 2017 at 21:48, Nick Gale wrote: > The right to privacy is less of an issue than with the breaking of things > that ought not be broken. All it will take is one bank to go down because > their escrow keys were acquired by another sovereign state and you have the >

Re: [AusNOG] Government intends to pass TSSR this parliament

2017-06-13 Thread Nick Gale
The right to privacy is less of an issue than with the breaking of things that ought not be broken. All it will take is one bank to go down because their escrow keys were acquired by another sovereign state and you have the country in lots of trouble. Attacks on a key escrow the government holds

Re: [AusNOG] Government intends to pass TSSR this parliament

2017-06-13 Thread Paul Wilkins
What I'm saying is there was the social contract, then the internet came along, then the social contract was extended to encompass the internet. I don't mean to offend when I say this is inevitable, but I think it's counter productive to argue all regulation is evil, and the right to privacy

Re: [AusNOG] Government intends to pass TSSR this parliament

2017-06-13 Thread Mark Smith
On 13 June 2017 at 20:50, grenville armitage wrote: > > > On 06/13/2017 20:19, Paul Wilkins wrote: >> >> [...] That the technology is new doesn't change the fundamentals of >> liberty vs state authority. > > > Indeed. > Agree. Pity he argued the opposite. Paraphrasing,

Re: [AusNOG] Government intends to pass TSSR this parliament

2017-06-13 Thread grenville armitage
On 06/13/2017 20:19, Paul Wilkins wrote: [...] That the technology is new doesn't change the fundamentals of liberty vs state authority. Indeed. cheers, gja ___ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net