Re: [AusNOG] Network Atlas (AU Help)

2018-11-30 Thread Mehmet Akcin
thank you Bevan, I respect that. I just everyone to know if one day, they want to allow operations people have more visibility, and one place to see all global world's fiber infrastructure, we are waiting with open arms to welcome their data, and we will happily host it, visualize it and help it

Re: [AusNOG] Network Atlas (AU Help)

2018-11-30 Thread Bevan Slattery
Mehmet, I suppose the old man in me, has some history with this and I don’t want my “hurdles” to be reasons you don’t do it. I wish you all the best with the project. I sincerely do. So to answer your original post what is the reasons (legislative or otherwise) people don’t do these things

Re: [AusNOG] Brisbane fibre cut.

2018-11-30 Thread James Hodgkinson
I'd argue the dynamic and ever-changing nature of peeringdb is what makes it useful. The static and physically vulnerable nature of the nation's networking infrastructure is something best left privately, rather than publicly documented in my opinion. "security through obscurity" isn't something

Re: [AusNOG] Network Atlas (AU Help)

2018-11-30 Thread Mehmet Akcin
Jonathan, please look at the right bottom corner of our website which refers to attributions. We are currently leveraging www.fibermap.com data set and greg's cable map and additional maps that was made available via direct email submission of authorized people from companies. If you are having

Re: [AusNOG] Brisbane fibre cut.

2018-11-30 Thread Mehmet Akcin
Intellectual Property? This is technical information which enables people to have visibility and plan accordingly. That's how very useful sites like peeringdb.com was born and heavily relied upon. On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 7:57 PM Jonathan Brewer wrote: > How about addressing questions about

Re: [AusNOG] Network Atlas

2018-11-30 Thread Mehmet Akcin
I am not saying you are my lawyer, enemy, etc thanks for all the information I have no interest to create map of a company which is available in simple search and put it in Network Atlas. We do not actually even do that. Just please do not tell me having this data publicly available is a

Re: [AusNOG] Network Atlas

2018-11-30 Thread Bevan Slattery
Mehmet, I’m not your enemy here and I’m not your advisor, lawyer, antagonist. But if you take my “publicly available information” that is bound by copyright and then reproduce that on an atlas that you make available to other people. Where have I seen that before?

Re: [AusNOG] Network Atlas

2018-11-30 Thread Mehmet Akcin
https://www.slideshare.net/PranavRao17/superloop-investor-presentation We do not need more detail than what is publicly available. We do not plan to be a manhole-by-manhole network planning website. We want people to see visually which networks are operationally having issues, that's it. Mehmet

Re: [AusNOG] Network Atlas

2018-11-30 Thread Bevan Slattery
This is just a recent example of why carriers are, or at least should becoming more concerned about keeping location of their fibre infrastructure confidential. It won’t necessarily stop people mapping it (and other nefarious things), but at least it makes its harder.

Re: [AusNOG] Brisbane fibre cut.

2018-11-30 Thread Jonathan Brewer
How about addressing questions about crediting data suppliers / owners first? At the moment it seems like you're trying to get the community to gift you intellectual property - shape files thst then become yours to do whatever you want with. On Sat, 1 Dec 2018, 00:25 Mehmet Akcin I wish I had

Re: [AusNOG] Assistance and Access Bill moves to PJCIS

2018-11-30 Thread I
Paul Wilkins wrote:Parliamentary Calendar is showing the Bill listed for debate Wed 5th December. Not sure by what process it gets listed. Perhaps the appointment for debate is the equivalent of a mention in the court process and it will be returned to the committee.Rob

Re: [AusNOG] Assistance and Access Bill moves to PJCIS

2018-11-30 Thread I
Paul Wilkins wrote:Parliamentary Calendar is showing the Bill listed for debate Wed 5th December. Not sure by what process it gets listed. Perhaps the appointment for debate is the equivalent of a mention in the court process and it will be returned to the committee.Rob

Re: [AusNOG] Assistance and Access Bill moves to PJCIS

2018-11-30 Thread Paul Wilkins
Parliamentary Calendar is showing the Bill listed for debate Wed 5th December. Not sure by what process it gets listed. Which is inconsistent with media releases by PJCIS that they will

Re: [AusNOG] Assistance and Access Bill moves to PJCIS

2018-11-30 Thread I
 Other good points made on Friday were that products made here (physical and intellectual) would be regarded as inferior because it would be unknown whether they could be relied on.  And if the new version of software might have calculated vulnerabilities people would be loathe to update and

Re: [AusNOG] Assistance and Access Bill moves to PJCIS

2018-11-30 Thread Paul Wilkins
I don't need to make the EA arguments, when a no less august body than the IAB has made them in their PJCIS submission. (Though my PJCIS submissions do refer to EA mechanisms, so to suggest at this stage I'm not aware of EA is to demonstrate you've arrived late to the debate). Those opposed to EA

Re: [AusNOG] Assistance and Access Bill moves to PJCIS

2018-11-30 Thread Robert Hudson
A limited scope is nearly as bad as a carte-blanche licence to spy on law-abiding citizens. A major part of the opposition to this bill is the fact that despite what Malcolm Turnbull tried to claim, the laws of Australia do not override the laws of mathematics. Aside from the fact that we know

Re: [AusNOG] Network Atlas

2018-11-30 Thread Mehmet Akcin
I was always told that is the case and when I asked my prior vendors in australia they kindly gave me these , so I would really love to see 1) the law? 2) restrictions related to this anywhere public I can read to educate myself. appreciate your help mehmet On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 11:58 AM Bevan

Re: [AusNOG] Brisbane fibre cut.

2018-11-30 Thread Mehmet Akcin
I wish I had KMZs so we could display this in https://dev.networkatlas.org On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 6:00 PM Ross Marston wrote: > All seems fixed now. They had a bunch of fibre splicers working on it and > seemed to be remediated by about 9:00am > > Kind regards > > Ross Marston > >  > > >

Re: [AusNOG] Assistance and Access Bill moves to PJCIS

2018-11-30 Thread Christian Heinrich
On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 at 18:12, Christian Heinrich wrote: > Also, is there a submission from the federal government about > https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/turnbull-government-risking-national-security-cabinet-material-by-using-whatsapp-dreyfus-20161013-gs1dje.html > too?

Re: [AusNOG] Assistance and Access Bill moves to PJCIS

2018-11-30 Thread Christian Heinrich
https://www.lawfareblog.com/principles-more-informed-exceptional-access-debate by Ian Levy of GCHQ (UK). https://twitter.com/musalbas/status/1068179464197156864 is the source. -- Regards, Christian Heinrich http://cmlh.id.au/contact ___ AusNOG