Re: [AusNOG] Lightning and FTTC - is it really this bad?

2021-01-21 Thread Johnathon Brandis
Dundas NSW - Have had three jobs at the one place since xmas including a fire as the result of lightning - I recall there is another fellow on list from the area maybe has similar stories - The process is annoying for the FTTC (can be 5 days waiting, for a quick hardware replacement from the good

Re: [AusNOG] Lightning and FTTC - is it really this bad?

2021-01-21 Thread Matthew Moyle-Croft
The DPUs being back-fed from the houses they provide service I’d suggest is the main reason - ADSL modems just had the ADSL signal to contend with, whereas back feeding power means you’ve got the DPU, with power across the 4 Cu lines into the houses and the power grid in four houses connected to

Re: [AusNOG] Lightning and FTTC - is it really this bad?

2021-01-21 Thread mike
On Friday 15th we had 30 FTTC NCDs "fried" in a single 1km2 area due to an electrical storm. No other devices were impacted in the affected households and damage occurred irrespective of whether NCDs were plugged to surge protectors or not. It seems unlikely that lightning hit lead-ins for the af

Re: [AusNOG] Lightning and FTTC - is it really this bad?

2021-01-21 Thread Jrandombob
Yeah, I'd say that's a good bet. Aerial lead-ins are always going to be more susceptible to induced spikes from nearby lightning than buried cable. On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 11:30 AM wrote: > > On Friday 15th we had 30 FTTC NCDs "fried" > in a single 1km2 area due to an electrical storm. > No othe

Re: [AusNOG] Lightning and FTTC - is it really this bad?

2021-01-21 Thread Giles Pollock
I wonder if it has anything to do with the old legacy copper that was previously hooked up to the DPUs, which the NCDs trigger a cutover from. There could potentially be rather a lot of it there, not necessarily grounded if the old legacy infrastructure has been partially removed, so an induced cur

Re: [AusNOG] Lightning and FTTC - is it really this bad?

2021-01-21 Thread John Edwards
All of the DSLAMs that Australian carriers are throwing in the bin right now have $20 gas-discharge lightning arrestors on every port to comply with TEBA rules around LSS connections. I imagine that FTTC has no such requirement because there is no expensive voice exchange to protect. Underground

Re: [AusNOG] Lightning and FTTC - is it really this bad?

2021-01-21 Thread Ross Wheeler
On Fri, 22 Jan 2021, John Edwards wrote: Underground copper is probably more vulnerable than aerial to lightning. Lightning strikes the ground, not the copper, but a voltage gets induced in the copper due to the nearby electromagnetic charge - something that doesn't happen in air because it'

Re: [AusNOG] Lightning and FTTC - is it really this bad?

2021-01-21 Thread Matt Perkins
Yes it really is that bad. Word is they are replacing thousands of NTD's every week. It appears the design adopted is very sensitive to potential difference from induced current flows over relatively short cable lengths. Faster Cheaper Better.  Thanks Malcolm. Matt On 22/1/21 11:30 am, m...

Re: [AusNOG] Lightning and FTTC - is it really this bad?

2021-01-21 Thread Craig Holyoak
I don't know if it's related, but last weekend we had a NBN FttC device fail following a storm, but it was the DPU in the street, not the NTD. There was power loss, but no lightning in the immediate area. They said due to equipment shortages it'd be 3 days for a replacement, but it was there the ne