Re: [AusNOG] QoS on Internet traffic

Is obscure subtlety really a form of condescension? Kind regards Paul Wilkins On 25 August 2017 at 16:49, Mark Newton wrote: > On Aug 21, 2017, at 12:27 AM, Paul Wilkins > wrote: > > > the content providers who want a premium service, and the advertisers, > whose business model is subsidised

Re: [AusNOG] QoS on Internet traffic

On Aug 21, 2017, at 12:27 AM, Paul Wilkins wrote: > > the content providers who want a premium service, and the advertisers, whose > business model is subsidised by the imposed market failure. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/57/4e/61/574e61e86f596b7bcfe8790f7b1682cd.jpg

Re: [AusNOG] QoS on Internet traffic

Still don't understand what you're trying to say. It seems you believe that advertisers have so much control over the billing model for Internet services that they dictate what features ISPs can provide. That is not the case in my experience, based on having worked for a variety of ISPs of differe

Re: [AusNOG] QoS on Internet traffic

...@lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Paul Wilkins Sent: Monday, 21 August 2017 12:27 AM To: Subject: Re: [AusNOG] QoS on Internet traffic There's market forces both sides, the content providers who want a premium service, and the advertisers, whose business model is subsidised by the imposed m

Re: [AusNOG] QoS on Internet traffic

There's market forces both sides, the content providers who want a premium service, and the advertisers, whose business model is subsidised by the imposed market failure. That's how externalities work. But legislating for market failures to subsidise the vested interests of advertisers, means consu

Re: [AusNOG] QoS on Internet traffic

So I'm trying to parse that ... On 20 August 2017 at 13:50, Paul Wilkins wrote: > It's interesting that we're seeing around the globe a push to impose by > legislation net neutrality, as a means to prevent market forces who want to > do exactly that. So market forces want to have net neutrality,

Re: [AusNOG] QoS on Internet traffic

It's interesting that we're seeing around the globe a push to impose by legislation net neutrality, as a means to prevent market forces who want to do exactly that. Rather puts them on the wrong side of history. While the differential exists between value as dictated by the market, and legislativel

Re: [AusNOG] QoS on Internet traffic

Geoff arrived early, tried out QoS, wrote a book on it, then gave up on it. http://www.potaroo.net/ispcol/2012-06/noqos.html On 20 Aug. 2017 11:07 am, "Paul Wilkins" wrote: For those who arrived late, this 2015 article goes to some length to elaborate on the QoS ramifications of the FCC's Tit

Re: [AusNOG] QoS on Internet traffic

In Australia we don't have service providers constrained under Title II. We have the NBN delivering national wholesale broadband. All it would require for Australia to support 2 or 3 tiers of service delivery (RTP, standard, bulk transfer) would be for the NBN to honour service differentiation (DS

Re: [AusNOG] QoS on Internet traffic

For those who arrived late, this 2015 article goes to some length to elaborate on the QoS ramifications of the FCC's Title II ruling for broadband: https://www.cnet.com/news/13-things-you-need-to-know-about-the-fccs-net-neutrality-regulation/L Kind regards Paul Wilkins On 19 August 2017 at 15:4

Re: [AusNOG] QoS on Internet traffic

On 19 August 2017 at 16:57, Matt Palmer wrote: > On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 01:00:39PM +1000, Paul Wilkins wrote: > > If your client sites have redundant links, you can get massive > performance > > benefit by routing bulk transfer via the backup path. > > > > As for there is no QoS on the internet,

Re: [AusNOG] QoS on Internet traffic

On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 01:00:39PM +1000, Paul Wilkins wrote: > If your client sites have redundant links, you can get massive performance > benefit by routing bulk transfer via the backup path. > > As for there is no QoS on the internet, that's mostly because US service > providers are legislativ

Re: [AusNOG] QoS on Internet traffic

If your client sites have redundant links, you can get massive performance benefit by routing bulk transfer via the backup path. As for there is no QoS on the internet, that's mostly because US service providers are legislatively blocked from what would be a departure from net neutrality. This wil

Re: [AusNOG] QoS on Internet traffic

Not quite what I was getting at. I mean, sure, it’s going to be dependent on his customer demands; but if Tony nails up peering with each large cloud provider and DSCP marks all traffic on ingress from peering links, he can drop that traffic into a queue that has slightly higher priority than i

Re: [AusNOG] QoS on Internet traffic

Seemed to me it was one of the options mentioned by Tony : "2. increase bandwidth to the firewalls - in the above example the firewall bandwidth is 50M and the total of the WAN tails is 100M. We could (ignoring the screams coming from the accountants for now) simply increase the bandwidth to each

Re: [AusNOG] QoS on Internet traffic

Better yet get Megaport, AustraliaIX and pipe to reduce your transit costs. Regards, Peter Tiggerdine GPG Fingerprint: 2A3F EA19 F6C2 93C1 411D 5AB2 D5A8 E8A8 0E74 6127 On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Tim Raphael wrote: > Being an advocate of peering, I tend to agree with Mark on this one, th

Re: [AusNOG] QoS on Internet traffic

Being an advocate of peering, I tend to agree with Mark on this one, the cloud services providers make themselves very accessible by peering with open policies (most of the time). I'd suggest you might want to find out exactly what your customers are accessing and look at ways of increasing yo

Re: [AusNOG] QoS on Internet traffic

It seems to me that this is a problem you’ve created for yourself, by limiting the firewall outside interface to (in your example) 50 Mbps. I think you should go back to basics with your product definition: Is what you’re selling fit for purpose? Is a VPN service which is bottlenecked into the

Re: [AusNOG] QoS on Internet traffic

Hi all, Thank you for all of the replies I received of which the below was the only on-list response :) There was a fairly common theme to a lot of the replies: * yep, I know where you're coming from * yes, it's sucky * no, we don't have a good solution for it either Common suggestions on ways t

Re: [AusNOG] QoS on Internet traffic

Hi Tony, Suggest a Fortigate. Depending on speed, but the 81 series or 91 series. Thanks, Paul Sent from my iPad Paul Vinton Director Email: p...@vintek.net [cid:1527617_eoy_CR_technology_38a5b969-ff67-45cf-91f6-d95924102cdb.jpg] [cid:vintek_logo_7667a27c-9e2e-4eca-a343-ebf39c15d043.jpg]

Re: [AusNOG] QoS on Internet traffic

Hi Tony, Apologies for top-posting but I don't want my replies to be lost in your excellent statement of the problem. I'm on the EDUCAUSE NETMAN (university network admins) list and the discussion about bandwidth shaping comes up occasionally. Since they're mostly in the US, a lot of them are

[AusNOG] QoS on Internet traffic

Hi all, I'm not sure if anyone else is having this issue, but we are recieving an increasing number of request to give priority/preference to specific Internet traffic. Apologies in advance for the lengthy post. The typical example might be a customer that has five sites that we provide a 20Mbp