Re: Generating missing depfiles by an automake based makefile

2023-02-09 Thread Jacob Bachmeyer
Dmitry Goncharov wrote: On Thursday, February 9, 2023, Tom Tromey wrote: It's been a long time since I worked on automake, but the dependency tracking in automake is designed not to need to rebuild or pre-build dep files. Doing that means invoking the compiler twice, which is slow. Instead,

Re: Generating missing depfiles by an automake based makefile

2023-02-09 Thread Dmitry Goncharov
On Thursday, February 9, 2023, Tom Tromey wrote: > > > It's been a long time since I worked on automake, but the dependency > tracking in automake is designed not to need to rebuild or pre-build dep > files. Doing that means invoking the compiler twice, which is slow. > Instead, automake computes

Re: Generating missing depfiles by an automake based makefile

2023-02-09 Thread Tom Tromey
Dmitry> i am not looking forward to -include (even though -include is Dmitry> supported by bmake, gnu make and sun make). Dmitry> -include robs the user the error message should make fails to rebuild a depfile. Dmitry> i'd rather introduce rules to rebuild depfiles, as presented in the Dmitry> ear

Re: Generating missing depfiles by an automake based makefile

2023-02-09 Thread Dmitry Goncharov
On Thu, Feb 9, 2023 at 12:15 PM Jan Engelhardt wrote: > On Thursday 2023-02-09 22:53, Dmitry Goncharov wrote: > It would probably take a new m4 macro AM_MAKE_SILENT_INCLUDE that tests > for the availability of "-include", and if found, also somehow changes > the rest of the depfile logic to use ab

Re: Generating missing depfiles by an automake based makefile

2023-02-09 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Thursday 2023-02-09 22:53, Dmitry Goncharov wrote: > >> If you try this with e.g. >> OpenBSD make, it will complain. > >That's why i asked those questions about portability. >Do i understand it correctly, that a need to support bmake forces >automake to abandon a good mechanism to rebuild depf

Re: Generating missing depfiles by an automake based makefile

2023-02-09 Thread Dmitry Goncharov
On Thu, Feb 9, 2023 at 11:41 AM Jan Engelhardt wrote: > This is a GNU extension. Not only gnu. Also supported by sun make. > If you try this with e.g. > OpenBSD make, it will complain. That's why i asked those questions about portability. Do i understand it correctly, that a need to support bma

Re: Generating missing depfiles by an automake based makefile

2023-02-09 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Thursday 2023-02-09 22:33, Dmitry Goncharov wrote: > >> .Po file contents control when an .o file -- and thus also >> the .Po file itself -- is remade. >> If a .Po file has no practical content, there is no indication >> that it needs to be remade. > >Absence of the depfile is such an indicati

Re: Generating missing depfiles by an automake based makefile

2023-02-09 Thread Dmitry Goncharov
On Wed, Feb 8, 2023 at 11:54 AM Jan Engelhardt wrote: > depfiles are created ahead of make so that the include command > in Makefiles succeeds (include-with-ignore is non-portable AFAIR). Atleast, gnu make and sun make can build included files. > depfiles are not specifically tracked; this is i