Re: reword documentation about symbol stripping

2010-11-23 Thread MK
On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 01:42:07 GMT k...@freefriends.org (Karl Berry) wrote: it addresses an issue that some people may not know about, so maybe it would be good to briefly explain further? I agree, thanks. I changed the text to look like this: By default, the Make rules should

Re: default -g ??!?

2010-11-21 Thread MK
On Sun, 21 Nov 2010 10:07:31 +0900 Miles Bader mi...@gnu.org wrote: MK halfcountp...@intergate.com writes: If you say so, then I guess I am imagining things ;) I have never given the issue much thought until now, I suppose I need to do a bit more research on the issue. Indeed, it's

Re: reword documentation about symbol stripping (was: default -g ??!?)

2010-11-21 Thread MK
On Sun, 21 Nov 2010 17:44:10 +0100 Ralf Wildenhues ralf.wildenh...@gmx.de wrote: Oh well. This thread has been so noisy and unproductive, maybe we should seize the opportunity to take a bit of good away from it. Karl, what do you think about this rewording (against the gnulib copy of

default -g ??!?

2010-11-20 Thread MK
and my packager at debian is now saying they do not want strip used in makefiles. How can I prevent -g from being used? MK -- The angel of history[...]is turned toward the past. (Walter Benjamin)

Re: default -g ??!?

2010-11-20 Thread MK
Ah, it's because of GNU make: By default, the Make rules should compile and link with -g, so that executable programs have debugging symbols. Users who don't mind being helpless can strip the executables later if they wish. Nice, flexible software it ain't. This is an assbackward policy. The

Re: default -g ??!?

2010-11-20 Thread MK
On Sat, 20 Nov 2010 10:36:34 -0500 MK halfcountp...@intergate.com wrote: If and when you do need debugging symbols, it should be easy to opt *for* them. Instead, I am left with the choice of leaving them in by default, or having to use strip, making it impossible to add them. Sorry

Re: default -g ??!?

2010-11-20 Thread MK
* contain debugging symbols. I suppose that might mean having to maintain a slightly different package just for them; no big deal, but still I think a poor compromise consequential of bad policy. MK -- The angel of history[...]is turned toward the past. (Walter Benjamin)

Re: default -g ??!?

2010-11-20 Thread MK
of another, so this justifies it? Methinks the emperor wears no clothes here. MK -- The angel of history[...]is turned toward the past. (Walter Benjamin)

Re: default -g ??!?

2010-11-20 Thread MK
are not available as binaries for every distro), I source build. Also, if you are using a small or offbeat linux distribution, there's surely a lot of software that simply is not available for it in binary, but that can easily be built from source. MK -- The angel of history[...]is turned toward the past

Re: default -g ??!?

2010-11-20 Thread MK
On Sat, 20 Nov 2010 14:21:27 -0600 (CST) Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us wrote: Under a normal operating system (i.e. perhaps not Plan 9, I am not sure) the debug symbols are separate from the executable text so that the OS will never read the debug symbol area while it is