Re: [Axiom-developer] Axiom volunteer work ideas

2010-02-27 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
-- M. Edward (Ed) Borasky borasky-research.net/m-edward-ed-borasky/ "A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems." ~ Paul Erd?s Quoting Tim Daly : As to the Fortran vs C question... I'd be happy with either but, truth be told, I'd really prefer a lisp

Re: [Axiom-developer] Axiom volunteer work ideas

2010-02-27 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
though I can't remember where. There's probably a Scheme macro to do it, too. ;-) -- M. Edward (Ed) Borasky borasky-research.net/m-edward-ed-borasky/ "A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems." ~ Paul Erdos ___ Axiom-developer mailing list Axiom-developer@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer

Re: [Axiom-developer] Intell SCC chip, Clojure, and Provisos

2009-12-07 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
hese paths were partially illuminated in the late 1980s - early 1990s and then abandoned. I think, though, this time around, there's massive commitment to parallel / concurrent programming from big players like IBM, Intel, Microsoft and Google. Oracle too, probably. ;-) -- M. Edward (Ed

Re: [Axiom-developer] Intell SCC chip, Clojure, and Provisos

2009-12-04 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
n each node? Surely you don't need a whole GNU/Linux stack. Perhaps something like the openSUSE JeOS (Just Enough Operation System)? Which JVM would you be using? Are the parallel / concurrent hooks in the JVM? -- M. Edward (Ed) Borasky http://borasky-research.net "I've always regar

Re: [Axiom-developer] Embedding Axiom

2009-11-17 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
; much easier > to move the system to a parallel base of code. This level of rewrite is on > the queue > to think about and study but might take some experimenting. > > I have roughly 140 files still to merge into the interpreter volume and it > takes about a > week of moving/t

Re: [Axiom-developer] Reproducible Research Repository

2008-07-23 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
gs > rather than recreating existing ones. I have a number of links to "reproducible research" from the R langauge - it's a big deal in the R community. R has its own literate programming tool set -- it's patterned after "noweb" but has no external dependencies.

Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: [sage-devel] Re: Identification with ldap.

2008-07-20 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
mediate problem, and then be discarded -- then you don't care whether it lives or not. Axiom was clearly designed to live, rather than solve an immediate problem. But how much code is out there that was designed with a 30-year horizon? -- M. Edward (Ed) Borasky ruby-perspectives.blogspot.com

Re: [Axiom-developer] APL, J, and Axiom documentation

2008-06-04 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
root wrote: I had a 2D parser on my desk at IBM. Our Scratchpad group had an effort to do handwritten input. Maple had one also but I don't know what the outcome was. I gave a sample at ECCAD in Phila. If you ignore the handwritten portion of the problem it seems you could create a parser to hand

Re: [Axiom-developer] APL, J, and Axiom documentation

2008-06-04 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
root wrote: J/APL has advantage of forcing you to think about the solution to a problem in a completely orthogonal way to the usual programming paradigms. In my experience the "re-expression" of an idea in a second, very different form dramatically highlights the design decisions made in the firs

Re: [Axiom-developer] APL, J, and Axiom documentation

2008-06-02 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been looking at the question of documenting Axiom's algorithms. Beyond the english description I've been pondering the use of J (an ascii version of APL). J/APL, for those who don't know, is an executable mathematical programming language. Ken Iverson created it a

Re: [Axiom-developer] Sage on Scientific Linux?

2008-05-07 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
root wrote: Colleagues, There is a cross-fertilization that might be very useful for both the Scientific Linux world and the Sage world. For those who don't know, Scientific Linux is a linux distribution that is a "common platform" for scientific users. It was recently described as: Sage is an

Re: [Axiom-developer] the lisp community :-)

2008-04-25 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
root wrote: http://www.catonmat.net/blog/musical-geek-friday-god-wrote-in-lisp-eternal-flame just for your friday amusement :-) --- End of forwarded message --- ___ Axiom-developer mailing list Axiom-developer@nongnu.org http://lists.nong

Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: Project

2008-04-20 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
It seems that Sage is going to connect with OLPC. If all those kids do their math using Sage, I think there is no way around Sage anymore. Sage can already do many many things better than Axiom, I suppose, so we need really good reasons to continue with Axiom, I think. Maybe I should just r

Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: [sage-devel] Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Project

2008-04-20 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
William Stein wrote: I'm unconvinced that literate programming is a silver bullet that solves the problem of making code easier to understand later. I do strongly advocate documenting and writing excellent test suites for code. All code that goes into Sage has every function tested, documented,

[Axiom-developer] M. Edward (Ed) Borasky added you as a friend at The Algebraist Network

2008-03-21 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
William Sit, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky added you as a friend on The Algebraist Network. If you don't know M. Edward (Ed) Borasky, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky is probably a fan. Consider it a compliment. M. Edward (Ed) Borasky's profile: http://algebraist.crowdvine.com/profiles/

Re: [Axiom-developer] Lisp

2008-03-06 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
Waldek Hebisch wrote: Bill Page wrote: On 3/5/08, Waldek Hebisch wrote: I agree to the general statement: there are many problems that Axiom can not do -- most beginers will probably give up concluding "Axiom is too hard to use" and not realize that what they want to do in not doable using Axi

Re: [Axiom-developer] Lisp

2008-03-06 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
root wrote: That's fair. There was no claim that lisp is the right language for any particular purpose. Ruby is fine and Rails is the fastest path to a website solution. Lisp is ill suited for that purpose and for many other purposes. Well ... I wasn't specifically referring to Rails but rathe

Re: [Axiom-developer] Lisp

2008-03-05 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Either you "get it" or you don't. There is no half-way with Lisp. There are no words to explain what it means to "get it" until you do ... and then there is no reason to explain it; you get it. Well ... many years ago I "got" Lisp. I told myself at the time that if

Re: [Axiom-developer] Axiom November 2007 release now in Gentoo Linux

2008-02-04 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
Ondrej Certik wrote: On Feb 4, 2008 3:43 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The November 2007 release of Axiom is now in Gentoo's Portage repository for testing. The previous version was the September 2005 tarball! I have it running on my Athlon64 X2, but I ha

[Axiom-developer] Axiom November 2007 release now in Gentoo Linux

2008-02-04 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
The November 2007 release of Axiom is now in Gentoo's Portage repository for testing. The previous version was the September 2005 tarball! I have it running on my Athlon64 X2, but I haven't heard whether it runs on the other architectures Gentoo supports, especially PowerPC. _

[Axiom-developer] Starting up the Firefox hyperdoc??

2008-01-28 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
I just installed Axiom from the SVN repository. When I start it, the "standard" Hyperdoc comes up. How do I get it to start up the Firefox version? ___ Axiom-developer mailing list Axiom-developer@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/a

Re: [Axiom-developer] Axiom and the Numerical Mathematics Consortium

2008-01-17 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
Doug Stewart wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> I have been concentrating on Axiom's numerical capabilities. The last >> patch is the beginnings of regression tests against >> Abramowitz and Stegun (1985) and Zwillinger's CRC Standard (2003). >> I've also created firefox hyperdoc pages for the ga

Re: [Axiom-developer] Approximating Ei using polynomials

2008-01-17 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The A&S handbook lists polynomial coefficients for approximation of E1, > the exponential integral. Does anyone know how these coefficients were > derived? Is it a chebyshev polynomial? I want to dynamically compute > these coefficients to the required precision. > > Tim

Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom, fricas. was: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on Windows

2007-12-20 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
root wrote: BTW ... it's possible I'll have my One Laptop Per Child machine before the end of the year. The shipments have started, and I ordered early enough that I might get it between Christmas and New Years, or at worst, in the first week or two of January. So I am looking for a lightweight

Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom, fricas. was: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on Windows

2007-12-20 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
Bill Page wrote: On 12/20/07, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... There is no confusion on my machines simply because I don't need either FriCAS or OpenAxiom -- and I haven't installed them -- and I don't intend to. So are you arguing against Tim'

Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom, fricas. was: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on Windows

2007-12-20 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
root wrote: Dirk Eddelbuettel called "Quantian" I worked with him on that. Haven't heard from him in a while. Have to msg him. Prior to Quantian I was distributing "Rosetta" CDs which had about 100 CAS-ish systems on them. Along came Knoppix. I started the Doyen effort but Dirk got the Knoppix

Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom, fricas. was: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on Windows

2007-12-20 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
root wrote: Maintaining this confusion doesn't help the users. Imagine a new CAS user who decides to download several projects like pari, maxima, Axiom, Fricas, and OpenAxiom. He decides to install them all and play with them. The end result will be 3 directories of code, only one of which can

Re: [Axiom-developer] Building silver git tree on Gentoo

2007-12-12 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
C Y wrote: OK, it looks like inserting -lXpm into a couple make files did it - I'm not sure yet however where the "correct" place in the Gentoo makefiles to add that section is. CY Be a better friend, n

Re: [Axiom-developer] Building silver git tree on Gentoo

2007-12-12 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
C Y wrote: Hi all. I just tried building the silver tree on Gentoo,and ran into the following: 32 making /home/cyapp/mathtoplevel/axiomtoplevel/silver-compile/obj/gentoo/graph /view2d/write2d.o from /home/cyapp/mathtoplevel/axiomtoplevel/silver-compile/int /graph/view2d/write2d.c 34 linking /ho

Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: Axiom and Sage

2007-12-09 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
root wrote: The main plus of this packaging for sage is that it builds from source quickly (in a few minutes) using precompiled clisp files. Well, on my 2Ghz machine with 2 Gig of memory running VMWare and using the sage vmware image (but upgrading the VM to have 1G memory) I started the packag

Re: [Axiom-developer] Interesting quote

2007-12-08 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sage hit slashdot (and slashdot it back, I'm sure). One anonymous coward posted the following quote which I find worth preserving. The Crystal idea is a bit beyond what he's thinking but I think he's on the right track. I am a mathematician and shelling out a few hundre

Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software

2007-11-27 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
Michel Lavaud wrote: If the plane I'm flying is built based on simulations with commercial mathematical software tools, I surely want them to be the best. If the plane I'm flying is built based on simulations with commercial mathematical software tools, whose accuracy is guaranteed in the u

Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software

2007-11-26 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
root wrote: The NSF, INRIA, and others cover it. These are the same people who won't fund Axiom because "it competes with commercial software". Which shows that they don't understand that Axiom is NOT trying to compete; and that funding competition to commercial software implies funding BOTH side

Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software

2007-11-26 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
William Stein wrote: Whether or not a system can compete is determined by what actual real people really want and can afford when teaching or doing research. It's not at all clear to me that actual research mathematicians, teachers and engineers want what you're describing above more than the o

Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software

2007-11-26 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
Arthur Ralfs wrote: M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: Well ... if you mean "*Red Hat* Linux has won a significant market share in servers", I agree. However, I don't think as a user that either Firefox or OpenOffice are of sufficient quality or maturity to be used on a Windows deskt

Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software

2007-11-26 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
William Stein wrote: Well I'm trying to directly compete with heavily financed commercial systems. I think you are wrong that one cannot win. Linux, Firefox, OpenOffice, etc., are all examples of direct competition with heavily financed commercial systems, where they have all won, at least wher

Re: [Axiom-developer] November 2007 release

2007-11-24 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Summary: November 2007 release All of the golden sources are up to date. savannah.nongnu.org/projects/axiom CVS sourceforge.net/projects/axiom CVS [EMAIL PROTECTED] ARCH (axiom--main--1--patch-54) [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIT ADD NEW CREDITS New patches were post

Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software

2007-11-18 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
William Stein wrote: On Nov 18, 2007 12:59 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sixth, computational mathematics, which currently rests on closed source commercial efforts, will eventually suffer from a massive "black hole" once the current software dies. Suppose Wolfram Research and Maplesoft go out

Re: [Axiom-developer] CATS - Computer Algebra Test Suite

2007-10-14 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
root wrote: Excellent. I'll download the latest TeXmacs and try it. -- Tim OK ... here's some sample output. I started up TeXmacs, went into the menu Edit -> Preferences -> Converters -> TeXmacs > Html -> Use MathML. Then I did an Insert -> Session -> Axiom. That starts up Axiom in the backgr

Re: [Axiom-developer] CATS - Computer Algebra Test Suite

2007-10-14 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
root wrote: On another subject... I've long had the notion that we need a Computer Algebra Test Suite (CATS) that lays out the mathematics and then shows the same mathematics done by a range of computer algebra systems. I have a test suite of ODEs that I've put together than consists of a coupl

Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: hyperdoc on windows

2007-09-21 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
root wrote: > (copied to list) > > Actually beyond porting hyperdoc to windows I've been looking at > wxAxiom (based on wxMaxima) and a browser-based Hyperdoc. > > At the moment, due to the great work by Arthur Ralfs, I'm making > progress on the browser-based version. I now have some of the > h

Re: [Axiom-developer] Mailing List Etiquette

2007-09-17 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
Alfredo Portes wrote: >> Now that I think of it, I'm on the FriCAS and OpenAxiom >> lists and I haven't seen much activity. > > Are you looking at the commits in both projects? > No ... I'm looking at human-readable e-mail. Why would I track commits? I'm not a developer, just a user/tester. ___

Re: [Axiom-developer] Mailing List Etiquette

2007-09-17 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
C Y wrote: > --- Ralf Hemmecke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On 09/07/2007 01:16 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> Bill, >>> For building Axiom on less common architectures I strongly recommend the FriCAS or OpenAxiom forks of the Axiom project. >>> I strongly object to your suggestion

Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: GCL on an AMD64 Linux system?

2007-09-16 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
root wrote: > try > user> export SHVAR=i/am/set > user> echo $SHVAR > user> sudo echo $SHVAR > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ export SHVAR=i/am/set [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ echo $SHVAR i/am/set [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ sudo echo $SHVAR i/am/set [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ _

Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: GCL on an AMD64 Linux system?

2007-09-15 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
root wrote: >> That should be easy to test, though -- do the whole build as root and >> all the environment variables will be set all the way through. It won't >> take me long to check it -- it's less than an hour on an Athlon64 X2 >> 5200+ :). > > envy :-) send the system to me and i'll test it h

Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: GCL on an AMD64 Linux system?

2007-09-15 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > root wrote: >> root wrote: >>>>> Ah -- I'll try that. Meanwhile, the Axiom build with gcl-2.6.7 completed >>>>> fine on the AMD64, so I guess 2.6.8pre2 is broken. One minor hitch: >>>>> apparent

Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: GCL on an AMD64 Linux system?

2007-09-15 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
root wrote: > root wrote: Ah -- I'll try that. Meanwhile, the Axiom build with gcl-2.6.7 completed fine on the AMD64, so I guess 2.6.8pre2 is broken. One minor hitch: apparently when you do a "make install", it's not doing a "mkdir -p": [EMAIL PROTECTED] /home/axiom/silver

Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: GCL on an AMD64 Linux system?

2007-09-15 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
root wrote: >> Ah -- I'll try that. Meanwhile, the Axiom build with gcl-2.6.7 completed >> fine on the AMD64, so I guess 2.6.8pre2 is broken. One minor hitch: >> apparently when you do a "make install", it's not doing a "mkdir -p": >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] /home/axiom/silver $ sudo make install >> 7

Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: GCL on an AMD64 Linux system?

2007-09-15 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
root wrote: > > Axiom cannot use the installed lisp as it is currently configured. > If you wish you could copy the obj/linux/bin/lisp to your system > location and use it as your GCL image. The only change is that it > links some routines used for communications to sman, which should > be transp

Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: GCL on an AMD64 Linux system?

2007-09-15 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > root wrote: >> Ed, >> >> I've forwarded your email to Camm Maguire, the GCL maintainer. >> >> It appears to be failing during GCL build. If you are using the >> Axiom distribution there is a variable in the top lev

[Axiom-developer] Re: GCL on an AMD64 Linux system?

2007-09-15 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
that version of GCL from the zips archive. > > Tim > > --- Start of forwarded message ------- > Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:30:24 -0700 > From: "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070905) > To: axiom-devel

[Axiom-developer] GCL on an AMD64 Linux system?

2007-09-13 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
Is there some reason the GCL in Axiom shouldn't build on a 64-bit Linux system (gcc 4.2.0)? I've got three systems. Two are 32-bit and one is 64-bit. Both gold and silver build fine on the 32-bit ones, but both crash building GCL on the 64-bit system. Here's a trace ("silver", if it matters): ar:

Re: [Axiom-developer] Gold numbering scheme

2007-09-11 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Cliff, > > We're not in the advertising business. We're doing long term science. Maybe so, but a little word of mouth can't hurt. Consider the Ubuntu phenomenon. ;) ___ Axiom-developer mailing list Axiom-developer@nongnu.or

Re: [Axiom-developer] Gold

2007-09-11 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I'd prefer the binary numbering scheme to reflect the date > of the gold version, so the Gold Sept 2007 version would be >axiom-7.9.0.tgz > (that is, Sept, 2007 == 7.9). This will be unique and clear. Well ... OK ... but since we are looking for something to last the

[Axiom-developer] Re: 20070909.01.tpd.patch failure (fix)

2007-09-10 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Ed, > > Apparently I forgot to do an 'svn add' for the Martin's files. > The test build completes successfully here and runs fine. > The problem you had should be fixed. > > Tim > Sounds like a plan ... I just started the

Re: [Axiom-developer] 20070909.01.tpd.patch

2007-09-10 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The file newton.spad contains the NEWTON domain which also exists > in duplicate form in fffg.spad. The newton.spad file is removed > by this patch. > > Tim I just synced up with the Silver SVN repository last night ... her

Re: [Axiom-developer] help function

2007-09-05 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Waldek Hebisch wrote: > When I began to use Axiom closing parenthesis looked pointless and > obscure to me. Now I can see reasons for using closing parenthesis > and I think it is both obscure and ingenious. It is ingenious > largely because of obscu

Re: [Axiom-developer] A student comment

2007-09-04 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Axiom has a goal of a new, non-archaic user interface called Crystal. > I've spent a fair amount of time researching the subject and creating > little test case setups to experiment with ideas. The Crystal effort > has been d

Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: [open-axiom-devel] [fricas-devel] umlaut in Guess - mailing list for algebra

2007-09-04 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bill Page wrote: > One of the defining characteristics of GPL is that *if* you > incorporate *any* source code from some other package that is licensed > under GPL into some new product - _whatever the license of the > original code_ - *then* the entir

Re: [Axiom-developer] A student comment

2007-09-01 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bill Page wrote: > For a better user interface experience I would recommend using Axiom > within Sage. Sage provides a browser-based notebook interface that > should be familiar to most students these days. And for cryptography I > think Sage's common

Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: bootstrap Meta/Boot

2007-08-12 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
C Y wrote: >> Incidentally, I "do" have Dick Pountain's "Object-Oriented Forth", >> which is probably as good a reference for implementing other >> languages on a Forth base as you're likely to find anywhere. If >> you're in the mood to re-invent a wheel or two, I'd recommend >> starting there. >

[Axiom-developer] Re: silver edition plot failure

2007-08-12 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Ed, > >> (Silver Edition, downloaded with "git" last night, successfully >> compiled, but crashed trying to do a plot): > > I'm concerned about this crash. Can you send me the exact line you > typed that caused the error? > > I run a test suite on hyperdoc and graphic

[Axiom-developer] A plea for sanity, forks, Sage, Axiom, Fricas, Open-Axiom, Changelogs, etc.

2007-08-12 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
First of all, I'm "just a user" -- a working programmer/applied mathematician (45 years and counting.) I've been doing this since *before* ScratchPad. Perhaps some of you have heard of FORMAC? I was working at IBM in Poughkeepsie, NY, when Jean Sammet and her colleagues released it! And I was there

Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: bootstrap Meta/Boot

2007-08-12 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
C Y wrote: > --- "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I may have that buried somewhere -- at one point I acquired just >> about everything I could on Forth, and I never threw it away. What >> was the title/author/date? A couple of oth

Re: [Axiom-developer] bootstrap Meta/Boot

2007-08-11 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
Bill Page wrote: > You can find (almost) anything on the Web [snip] Yes you can ... so, under the heading of "Nostalgia Ain't What It Used To Be", http://www.cs.ru.nl/~freek/aut/ ___ Axiom-developer mailing list Axiom-developer@nongnu.org http://l

Re: [Axiom-developer] ChangeLog on Silver

2007-08-11 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Hi, > > I have some changes to Silver down in pipeline (some of them were > brought here and discussed on the list). However, before doing that, > I would like to establish as a policy that we use -- from now on -- > the `standard' ChangeLog format to record history of

Re: [Axiom-developer] bootstrap Meta/Boot

2007-08-11 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
Bill Page wrote: > The first Lisp I ever used was written in Fortran and ran on a PDP 11. :-) The assembly language of the original PDP 11 (before all the ugly extensions, etc., got tacked onto it) was so simple, logical, rational and elegant that I can't imagine a Lisp interpreter for it written i

Re: [Axiom-developer] Lisp in Small Pieces

2007-08-10 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
Bill Page wrote: > On 8/10/07, C Y wrote: >> Not at $4 any more. I didn't notice it in time. Arrrgh. >> > > :-) I think I got the last one. When I went to amazon.ca it said: 1 > new copy for $3.99 and about 10 used copies for about $70. I was > afraid the my order would be cancelled by the time I

Re: [Axiom-developer] bootstrap Meta/Boot

2007-08-10 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > [...] > > | Writing Boot to generate Lisp is like writing Fortran to generate Aldor. > | If you are a Fortran programmer you won't see why that's a problem. > | If you are an Aldor programmer you can't imagine why that isn't a problem. > |

[Axiom-developer] Re: bootstrap Meta/Boot

2007-08-10 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Derive > > Derive is a fantastic program and often outperformed everything else. > It is historically interesting, in the "Newton's Notebooks" sense. > > I have spent the last few months trying to convince TI to either > release the original derive lisp code (whic

Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: bootstrap Meta/Boot

2007-08-10 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Now, it you know Spad, them I claim you know Boot. Uh huh ... and if I know Lisp 1.5, I know Common Lisp and Scheme, right? If I know Algol 60, I know CPL, BCPL, B and C? In some sense, yes, I do. I'm simply saying that it's a tremendous burden to need to deal with more

Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: bootstrap Meta/Boot

2007-08-10 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
C Y wrote: >> -- I much prefer, as you seem to, higher-level abstractions in >> programming languages. You may need a hierarchy of languages to get >> there, but do you need it forever? > > The bootstrap problem occurs when languages become divorced from their > original implementations in another

[Axiom-developer] Re: bootstrap Meta/Boot

2007-08-09 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> But does it really need so many sub-languages? > > Well, that's a religious question. > > Some on the wailing list feel that Meta and Boot should be recovered, > made strongly typed, and closer to the algebra language. On the plus > side it will be claimed that these

[Axiom-developer] Re: bootstrap Meta/Boot

2007-08-09 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> the one that I think has the strongest legs is Erlang > > Funny you should mention that as I'm half way thru the new Erlang book. > This model, if not the language itself, is a perfect vehicle for an > implementation of provisos (much discussed on this list). Using clos

Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: bootstrap Meta/Boot

2007-08-09 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > In fact that is open to debate, by reality check. The only "good" > Common Lisp compiler I know freely available is SBCL, and we don't > support it right now. And Common Lisp actually gives you very little > support to write useful programs. Well ... SBCL is a re-write

Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: bootstrap Meta/Boot

2007-08-09 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > "Bill Page" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > | On 8/9/07, Tim Daly wrote: > | > > | > In the IBM/NAG days you needed a running Axiom to build Axiom. > | > > | > | I believe that is one of the things that allowed Axiom to become so > | advanced so quickly (relatively speak

Re: [Axiom-developer] parallel algorithms

2006-10-14 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
root wrote: > Yet another parallel use would be creating direction field > images for differential equations. Each machine could be > given a particular isocline to compute over a given domain > and the final combined results into solution curves. > >> Oh, and I forgot to mention another significa

Re: [Axiom-developer] IRC meeting?

2006-08-19 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
root wrote: > I suppose we could work out a scheduled time for "group meetings". > I'm usually online all day and late into the night but a scheduled > time would make it reasonable. I have not been monitoring the IRC > channel because the beta version of Gaim cannot handle the IRC helper > plugin.

Re: [Axiom-developer] IRC meeting?

2006-08-19 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
C Y wrote: > Since the Axiom developers are in such remote geographic locations, I > was wondering if there was/is any interest in having an online meeting > in the axiom IRC channel. I have seen this done occasionally for other > projects and it would be less expensive for those of us who can't >

Re: [Axiom-developer] Issues with documentation revisions

2006-08-13 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
C Y wrote: > --- Bill Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> There is at least one better tool than noweb: Leo >> >> http://webpages.charter.net/edreamleo/front.html >> >> I believe that many of the design features of Leo would be beneficial >> to the Axiom project. > > I took one run at Leo and boun

Re: [Axiom-developer] Old Lisp

2006-08-13 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
root wrote: >> 1. As far as I know, GCL and CLISP are the only open source Lisps that >> run on Windows. CMUCL for sure doesn't and SBCL may not either. CMUCL >> probably never will, but SBCL has a good chance. >> > > SBCL runs on Windows. > That's good to hear! Native or CygWin? > >>

Re: [Axiom-developer] Has anybody attempted to build Aldor+Axiom lately?

2006-08-13 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
C Y wrote: I tried the binary and found it didn't work on Gentoo, so it was back to building from source. I got most of the way there with a gold branch cvs checkout (I think it's fairly recent) and started up the aldor part of the build. This was the error: mkdir -p /home/user/mathtoplevel/ax

Re: [Axiom-developer] Old Lisp

2006-08-13 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
Bill Page wrote: On August 12, 2006 8:56 PM Gaby wrote: ... There are still some patches against GCL that Tim developed. Ideally, I think we should not be in the business of patching GCL. Camm has been collaborating with us very effectively; we should communicate those issues with him and see h

Re: [Axiom-developer] Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux

2006-06-23 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
). Sorting entriesdone (12024 comparisons). Generating output file bookvol1.ind.done (875 lines written, 0 warnings). Output written in bookvol1.ind. Transcript written in bookvol1.ilg. M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > Thanks!! Two enters did it. > > > > Gabriel

Re: [Axiom-developer] Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux

2006-06-23 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
Thanks!! Two enters did it. Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > [...] > > | The SVN should never contain bad latex. > > It has been so since the initial se up... > I'll look ino it later. > > -- Gaby > > -- M. Edward

[Axiom-developer] Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux

2006-06-23 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
0:12 bookvol5.dvi drwxr-xr-x 2 root root4096 Jun 22 20:11 msgs Do I just need to be patient, or is this broken?? -- M. Edward (Ed) Borasky http://linuxcapacityplanning.com ___ Axiom-developer mailing list Axiom-developer@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer

Re: [Axiom-developer] GCL-2.6.7 and GCC-4.2.0

2006-05-31 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
> For my curiosity: is it expected that the .o coming from compiling a >> .lsp actually is NOT a "usual" .o file? >> >> > > No, usually the .data file is appended to the .o output by gcc, but > here the latter is empty. > > Take care, > > &g

Re: [Axiom-developer] axiom opportunity

2006-05-31 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
] >> > > So why don't you package Axiom for SuSE ? > > Best wishes, > d. > > > ___ > Axiom-developer mailing list > Axiom-developer@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer > > -- M. Edward (Ed) Borasky http://linuxcapaci

Re: [Axiom-developer] NOWEB

2006-05-24 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
s) to C++; among other things I digested Icon's > implementation. That was not too long ago. > > -- Gaby > > > ___ > Axiom-developer mailing list > Axiom-developer@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer > > -- M. Edward (Ed) Borasky http://linuxcapacityplanning.com ___ Axiom-developer mailing list Axiom-developer@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer

Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: Literate programming

2006-05-23 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
"just like I used to do in Derive 5". :) The engine is still Maxima, with all its warts and limitations, but the user interface instantly made sense to me. -- M. Edward (Ed) Borasky http://linuxcapacityplanning.com ___ Axiom-developer mailing list Axiom-developer@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer

Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: Literate programming

2006-05-23 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
t are not yet solved. > > I think that TeXmacs is the way to go, but TeXmacs was a bit slow for > my taste and the wysiwyg thing somehow contradicts TeX. One should > concentrate on the contents not on its appearance. But of course, > having CAS command lines integrated into the text is nice.

Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: Literate programming

2006-05-22 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
time that is needed by noweb. > > If someone wants to make noweb faster, fine, but please keep ALL its > functionalities AND its flexibility. Yes, noweb offers a feature to > hyperlink names in code chunks. (See it in work in ALLPROSE.) > > Ralf > > > On 05/22/20

Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: Literate programming

2006-05-22 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
cademic interchange to require running code much as standard > mathematics requires a proof. i want a literate journal that referees > literate computational mathematics papers. (for academics, programs > are a loss at the moment because they are not considered for tenure

Re: [Axiom-developer] Axiom Volume 1: Tutorial

2005-12-27 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
amp; Noble, Borders, etc. shortly. t ___ Axiom-developer mailing list Axiom-developer@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -- M. Edward (Ed) Borasky http://linuxcapacityplanning.com _

Re: [Axiom-developer] Integral challenge

2005-12-22 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
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Re: [Axiom-developer] Axiom and R

2005-12-19 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
imes. I also do not really know which way to go, embed Axiom in R or embed R in Axiom... Do you have ideas? Martin ___ Axiom-developer mailing list Axiom-developer@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -- Cats are

Re: [Axiom-developer] Possible approach/tools for graphing code relations

2005-12-19 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
om ___ Axiom-developer mailing list Axiom-developer@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -- M. Edward (Ed) Borasky http://linuxcapacityplanning.com ___ Axiom-developer mai

Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: learning Lisp

2005-12-03 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
Another resource: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/wlg/8397 -- M. Edward (Ed) Borasky http://linuxcapacityplanning.com ___ Axiom-developer mailing list Axiom-developer@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer

Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: learning Lisp

2005-12-03 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
e objects, slots, etc. One of these days I suppose I should learn how macros work. -- M. Edward (Ed) Borasky http://linuxcapacityplanning.com ___ Axiom-developer mailing list Axiom-developer@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer

Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: learning Lisp

2005-12-03 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
ical Common Lisp" has an answer. <http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/> If not, i'm sure comp.lang.lisp will be helpful. -- M. Edward (Ed) Borasky http://linuxcapacityplanning.com ___ Axiom-developer mailing list Axiom-developer@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer

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