RE: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-07 Thread Bill Page
> On 8/6/06, Jay Belanger wrote: > ... > Bill Page wrote: > > :( Well, I really like the example ... in fact I have even > > given a wild thought to how we might make the from page choose > > randomly between a large set of similar examples so that a > > visitor might be treated to a new one at eac

Re: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-06 Thread Antoine Hersen
Hello,About the example on the front page. It is astehetic but the type result is almost the equivalent to any.I do not have super good replament idea.But I will proprose some Taylor expansion maybe ? Regards,Antoine HersenOn 8/6/06, Jay Belanger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Bill Page" <[EMAIL PROTE

Re: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-05 Thread Jay Belanger
"Bill Page" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: ... >> ... >> > | 2) The Axiom Wiki FrontPage has more graphics including an >> > |example Axiom output graphic. >> > >> > That, from my perspective, contributes to the "visual load". >> >> I agree with this, > > :( Well, I really like the example ... in

Re: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-05 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
On 08/04/2006 11:16 PM, Bill Page wrote: Ralf, On August 4, 2006 12:23 PM you wrote: ... But may I ask you why there is still a link "Literate Source" on the FrontPage? What were your reasons for leaving it just next to "Source Code"? I think that is confusing. There should be just ONE link

Re: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-04 Thread root
I've asked Bill Page to put the tutorial up on the wiki. It should be possible to edit it there. If you manage to change it there you'll be the first to try the idea of maintaining the sources directly from the wiki rather than from a CVS/TLA/SVN/DARCS pile. t ___

RE: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-04 Thread Bill Page
On August 4, 2006 11:09 PM Jay Belanger wrote: > > Gabriel Dos Reis writes: > > > "Bill Page" writes: > ... > > | 2) The Axiom Wiki FrontPage has more graphics including an > > |example Axiom output graphic. > > > > That, from my perspective, contributes to the "visual load". > > I agree wit

Re: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-04 Thread Jay Belanger
Gabriel Dos Reis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > "Bill Page" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: ... > | 2) The Axiom Wiki FrontPage has more graphics including an example > |Axiom output graphic. > > That, from my perspective, contributes to the "visual load". I agree with this, but what's more, I do

Re: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-04 Thread root
src/doc/bookvol1.pamphlet ___ Axiom-developer mailing list Axiom-developer@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer

RE: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-04 Thread Bill Page
On August 4, 2006 5:15 PM > > Is it possible to put the tutorial online where it can be edited? > Of course. But which one? And do we have the source somewhere? Or would someone have to re-key it? ___ Axiom-developer mailing list Axiom-developer@no

Re: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-04 Thread Frithjof Schulze
There is a version online that can be edited. But that seems to be an much older version than for example the one in the silver branch. Frithjof ___ Axiom-developer mailing list Axiom-developer@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-

Re: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-04 Thread root
Is it possible to put the tutorial online where it can be edited? --t ___ Axiom-developer mailing list Axiom-developer@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer

RE: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-04 Thread Bill Page
Ralf, On August 4, 2006 12:23 PM you wrote: > ... > But may I ask you why there is still a link > > "Literate Source" > > on the FrontPage? What were your reasons for leaving it > just next to "Source Code"? I think that is confusing. > There should be just ONE link to the sources. Maybe you a

Re: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-04 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
I find it a bit strange to read "Bug Reports" under the heading "Try online". Same for "UnrelatedLinks" appearing under "Related Links". Sorry, but I even don't have a better idea. Somebody else perhaps? Ralf ___ Axiom-developer mailing list Axiom

Re: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-04 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
Hi Bill, First of all, a big THANKS to you. But may I ask you why there is still a link "Literate Source" on the FrontPage? What were your reasons for leaving it just next to "Source Code"? I think that is confusing. There should be just ONE link to the sources. If you really want to make

RE: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-04 Thread Bill Page
Martin, There was a small coding error on the FrontPage. Some browsers are more sensitive to these errors than others. It should be ok now. For "changes" you should now click "What's New". Regards, Bill Page. On August 4, 2006 4:43 AM Martin Rubey wrote: > > I'm not sure whether intentional or

Re: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-04 Thread Martin Rubey
"Antoine Hersen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > * the wiki menu (especially the item "changes") is missing now. I very > > much > > liked to click on it on the FrontPage, though, and I also think it is > > interesting for people who come by only occasionally. > > I think you can use the RSS

Re: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-04 Thread Antoine Hersen
Thank you for the changes.My minimalist instinc feel better.* the wiki menu (especially the item "changes") is missing now. I very much   liked to click on it on the FrontPage, though, and I also think it is  interesting for people who come by only occasionally.I think you can use the RSS feed. *

Re: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-04 Thread Martin Rubey
Dear Bill et al, I'm not sure whether intentional or not: * the wiki menu (especially the item "changes") is missing now. I very much liked to click on it on the FrontPage, though, and I also think it is interesting for people who come by only occasionally. * The boxes "Download and Try onli

Re: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-03 Thread Gabriel Dos Reis
"Page, Bill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] | This email is just to say "thanks" again Thank *you*. Indeed, this is excellent! -- Gaby ___ Axiom-developer mailing list Axiom-developer@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-d

RE: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-03 Thread Page, Bill
Gaby, Ralf, Cliff, Antoine, Alfredo, and others who I hope I haven't forgotten: Thank you all very much for the valuable comments, criticisms and suggestions regarding the Axiom Wiki web site that you have contributed to this thread. I have read each message carefully although I have not responded

Re: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-02 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
I don't know what you mean with Developer. Should that link to http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxActiveAxiomDevelopers/withNavigator Developer where you will click if you are a developer or want to be one. Here we find all the informations about our various SCM the distinction betwe

Re: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-02 Thread Antoine Hersen
> | About> | News> | Documentation> | FAQ> | Screenshots/Video > | ---> | Online try> | Download> | -> | Developer> | Mail list> | Bug report> | Bibliography> | Related link>> I like it. Looks not too bad to me, but Bill made sections with headlines. So youare trying to remove the h

Re: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-02 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxAxiomSourcesReST That doesn't look too bad to my eyes, but it seems that reStructuredText is not able to handle identically named subsections. System Message: INFO/1 (, line 73); backlink Duplicate implicit target name: "gnu arch". And again a problem.

RE: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-02 Thread Page, Bill
Ralf, On Wednesday, August 02, 2006 3:36 AM you wrote: > > >> (Could one have a table of contents at the top of that page?) > > > What did you have in mind? Table of Contents for the contents > > of the page or something more inclusive? > > I have used and to structure the page. Since I > co

Re: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-02 Thread Gabriel Dos Reis
Ralf Hemmecke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] | I don't think that Bibliography is the best word. Would you | immediately think that you can find actual downloadable papers behind | it? Is there some native speaker who can come up with something better? Many websites just say "Papers". That i

Re: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-02 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
| What about I give it a try : | | About | News | Documentation | FAQ | Screenshots/Video | --- | Online try | Download | - | Developer | Mail list | Bug report | Bibliography | Related link I like it. Looks not too bad to me, but Bill made sections with headlines. So you are

Re: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-02 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
When you look at the tree structure you see a big mess and all the bugs ! Well, it is not really a tree structure. Each page can be linked to several pages both "up" and "down". So it is really a lattice (to a mathematician) or an ontology (to at least one branch of computer science). Aha, a

Re: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-02 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
(Could one have a table of contents at the top of that page?) What did you have in mind? Table of Contents for the contents of the page or something more inclusive? I have used and to structure the page. Since I consider that page like a (very short) paper, I would like to see the headline

RE: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-02 Thread Page, Bill
On Tuesday, August 01, 2006 3:21 PM Alfredo Portes wrote: > > I do not know what was the first expectation with the Wiki. The MathAction web site (consisting of Axiom Wiki and Axiom Portal) started out simply as an experiment to demonstrate how Axiom could be interfaced to LatexWiki (an add-on mo

Re: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-01 Thread Gabriel Dos Reis
"Antoine Hersen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] | The problem is those new comers are not "fresh" any more. | If you have been using MMA for some time, you need a good enough reason to | abandon all your experience and change tool. This is a very good point, and should not be underestimated.

Re: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-01 Thread Antoine Hersen
Disclaimer all the use of the word "I want" are to be interpreted as an _expression_ of a wish based on personal taste.A wish because if I wanted it so badly I will have done it myself.And personal taste because I will be happy to argue. > Summer cleaning !!!When it's this hot I'd rather be in an a

Re: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-01 Thread Gabriel Dos Reis
"Page, Bill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] | I think this means that right up front we have to admit to | ourselves that Axiom may not have much appeal to most new | comers. But perhaps there is a class of "new comers" consisting | of experianced computer algebra users who have not had previo

RE: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-01 Thread Page, Bill
On Tuesday, August 01, 2006 2:39 PM Antoine Hersen wrote: > Summer cleaning !!! When it's this hot I'd rather be in an air conditioned office in front of my computer... just call me Canadian. :-) > I also think the web page is too cluttered. > There is three category of people new comers, user

Re: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-01 Thread Cliff Yapp
On Monday 31 July 2006 11:22 pm, Bill Page wrote: > > All of them appears to me to be quite simple -- and I like that > > simplicity. Especially that of Maxima. It takes very little > > time to display -- compared to Axiom's. Heh - glad you like it. I was the one who came up with the initial d

Re: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-01 Thread Cliff Yapp
On Tuesday 01 August 2006 12:11 pm, Bill Page wrote: > Contrary to the intent of the wiki, it > seems that almost all of the contributions to the Axiom web site > have been by people who are also active Axiom developers and are > quite familiar with using tools like CVS. I suspect that is due to A

RE: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-01 Thread Page, Bill
On Tuesday, August 01, 2006 5:52 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > ... > See > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandboxAxiomSources > and tell me what you think. Thanks Ralf. I think this draft looks great! > (Could one have a table of contents at the top of that page?) > What did you have in mind? Tabl

Re: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-01 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
However, I find more useful to be able to work offline -- that is I don't need to connect to the web before being able to browse the wealth of information. This is because I don't always work online. Right, that was also one of my concerns some time ago. Bill helped be quite a lot with mirrory

RE: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-01 Thread Page, Bill
Gaby, On Tuesday, August 01, 2006 12:40 AM you wrote: > ... > | > Important to me is that the front-page must send the message > | > that this is related to research. Yes, we have links to workshops > | > and all that. But, most importantly, links to research papers > | > related to Axiom must

Re: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-01 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
First of all, I'd like to thank Bill for all the effort he has put into the Wiki. In some points I must, however, agree with Antoine. The current Wiki currently is a bit of a mess. There are only a few pages that are of real value. You know, when I started I had hard times to find my way through

Re: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-01 Thread Alfredo Portes
Hi Gaby, On 01 Aug 2006 21:37:42 +0200, Gabriel Dos Reis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | For me the wiki is very useful. Everytime I have to remember some | comment, I need to improve the Doyen, I can find the information | really quick. The Wiki allows me also to see the work done for Axiom, | we

Re: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-01 Thread Gabriel Dos Reis
"Alfredo Portes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] | For me the wiki is very useful. Everytime I have to remember some | comment, I need to improve the Doyen, I can find the information | really quick. The Wiki allows me also to see the work done for Axiom, | were it is right now, and the future

Re: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-01 Thread Gabriel Dos Reis
"Bill Page" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Gaby, | | On August 1, 2006 12:40 AM you wrote: | > ... | > Why is having the front-page as wiki a plus? | > For all I know, only a handful of people can actually modify | > that page. | | Although the FrontPage is the FrontPage of the Axiom Wiki, unli

Re: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-01 Thread Alfredo Portes
Hello everyone, It seems that modifications to the axiom wiki frontpage has become a hot topic. I do not see the frontpage that much cluttered, but surely improvements can be made. Compared to the other Computer Algebra Systems web pages, I do see the axiom-developer much more advance and more

Re: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-01 Thread Antoine Hersen
Hello,Summer cleaning !!!I also think the web page is too cluttered.There is three category of people new comers, user and contributors.About the new comers : we are competing to get their attention and time. We need to be very good at it because Axiom is complex so it is not going to be an easy  s

RE: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-01 Thread Bill Page
Gaby, On August 1, 2006 12:40 AM you wrote: > ... > Why is having the front-page as wiki a plus? > For all I know, only a handful of people can actually modify > that page. Although the FrontPage is the FrontPage of the Axiom Wiki, unlike other pages on the wiki, we decided not to let visitors

Re: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-08-01 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
Hello Gaby, [Wiki-Frontpage] For example, I was looking for research papers related to Axiom. I knew they were buried deeply somewhere in the hierarchical pages. I agree with Gaby, the FrontPage is missing some information that I would like to find there. So I added some questions to the FAQ

Re: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-07-31 Thread Gabriel Dos Reis
"Bill Page" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Gaby, | | I am glad to receive your comments about the Axiom Wike site. | Please forgive me if some of my replies sound overly defensive. | I admit I have a biased view - but that is what makes it even | more important that other people comment about this

RE: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-07-31 Thread Bill Page
Gaby, I am glad to receive your comments about the Axiom Wike site. Please forgive me if some of my replies sound overly defensive. I admit I have a biased view - but that is what makes it even more important that other people comment about this stuff... On July 31, 2006 9:33 PM you wrote: > >

Re: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-07-31 Thread Gabriel Dos Reis
"Page, Bill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Antoine, | | Thank you very much for the comment. I have made some | changes and look forward to further suggestions. Hi Bill, I find the front page of Axiom quite "visually heavy" -- and many times I miss there the information I'm looking for. So

RE: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-07-27 Thread Page, Bill
Bob, On Wednesday, July 26, 2006 10:28 PM you asked: > > Bill Page wrote: > > The reason this is being rejected is also do to another > > anti-spam change to the Axiom Wiki system. ... > > This is all based on simple regular expression pattern > > matching. Nothing fancy. > > Do you mean the ba

Re: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-07-27 Thread Bob McElrath
Page, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The reason this is being rejected is also do to another anti-spam > change to the Axiom Wiki system. A few weeks ago based on Bob > McElrath's suggestion a configured a feature of ZWiki that we had > not been previously using that provides for direct content fi

Re: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-07-26 Thread Gabriel Dos Reis
"Page, Bill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] | The short story is that I decided to disallow all HTML encoded | href links since that was the most common denomintator in all of | these spam attacks. This makes it a little harder to post a message | or a change to a web page if all you (usually

RE: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-07-26 Thread Page, Bill
Gaby, On Wednesday, July 26, 2006 9:44 PM you wrote: > Bill Pagewrites: > > [...] > > | To make your changes to the SandBoxActiveAxiomDevelopers > | just make sure that you enter some simple explanatory text > | in the reason box before you click Save. Let me know if > | you still have problem

Re: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-07-26 Thread Gabriel Dos Reis
"Page, Bill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] | To make your changes to the SandBoxActiveAxiomDevelopers | just make sure that you enter some simple explanatory text | in the reason box before you click Save. Let me know if | you still have problems. I just tried, it did not work :-( -- Gaby

Re: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-07-26 Thread Gabriel Dos Reis
"Page, Bill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Gaby, | | On Wednesday, July 26, 2006 8:27 PM you wrote: | > | > I wanted to add more information to | > | >http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxActiveAxiomDevelopers | > | > but it asked for a zope identifier and password, which | > I don't

RE: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-07-26 Thread Page, Bill
Gaby, On Wednesday, July 26, 2006 8:27 PM you wrote: > > I wanted to add more information to > >http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxActiveAxiomDevelopers > > but it asked for a zope identifier and password, which > I don't have. Perhaps you did not bother to read the next page after

Re: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-07-26 Thread Gabriel Dos Reis
Bill, I wanted to add more information to http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxActiveAxiomDevelopers but it asked for a zope identifier and password, which I don't have. I do have a account with the "portal" though -- I don't know how they realte. All these identifiers and passwords...

RE: [Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-07-26 Thread Page, Bill
Antoine, Thank you very much for the comment. I have made some changes and look forward to further suggestions. Regards, Bill Page. On Wednesday, July 26, 2006 7:21 PM you wrote: > I have just a comment about the front page. > In the right column all links start with "Axiom". > Is there is a re

[Axiom-developer] Front page esthetic

2006-07-26 Thread Antoine Hersen
Hello,I have just a comment about the front page.In the right column all links start with "Axiom". Is there is a reason for this ?I know it is mostly about personal taste but I find it redundant and does not help me find what I am looking for. Regards,Antoine Hersen