RE: [Axiom-developer] axiom common lisp

2005-11-18 Thread Bill Page
On November 18, 2005 8:47 AM C Y wrote: > > --- root Tim Daly wrote: > > ... > > now, can we move back to discussing math? > > Sounds good to me - back to the math. > Yes I agree, back to the math! :-) Is anyone interested in discussing the implementation of exact computable reals in Axiom?

Re: [Axiom-developer] axiom common lisp

2005-11-18 Thread C Y
--- root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ummmkay... i admit i'm wrong. > > (bad tim puts down his keyboard weapon, > abandons his entrenchment, > and exits the language war) > > now, can we move back to discussing math? Sounds good to me. CY _

Re: [Axiom-developer] axiom common lisp

2005-11-18 Thread C Y
--- root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ummmkay... i admit i'm wrong. > > (bad tim puts down his keyboard weapon, > abandons his entrenchment, > and exits the language war) > > now, can we move back to discussing math? Sounds good to me - back to the math. CY __

Re: [Axiom-developer] axiom common lisp

2005-11-18 Thread root
ummmkay... i admit i'm wrong. (bad tim puts down his keyboard weapon, abandons his entrenchment, and exits the language war) now, can we move back to discussing math? t ___ Axiom-developer mailing list Axiom-developer@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu

RE: [Axiom-developer] axiom common lisp

2005-11-17 Thread Bill Page
On November 17, 2005 5:12 PM Tim Daly wrote: > > what are the semantics of these operations? > > evalandfileactq > rdefiostream > rplq > *lam > mdef > comp370 > remove-fluids > dcqexp > > unless you happen to have the documentation for vmlisp handy > it's unlikely you'll be able to decide or ev

Re: [Axiom-developer] axiom common lisp

2005-11-17 Thread root
what are the semantics of these operations? evalandfileactq rdefiostream rplq *lam mdef comp370 remove-fluids dcqexp unless you happen to have the documentation for vmlisp handy it's unlikely you'll be able to decide or even guess. future generations won't even have vmlisp available. i spoke to F

RE: [Axiom-developer] axiom common lisp

2005-11-17 Thread C Y
--- Bill Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On November 17, 2005 3:06 PM C Y wrote: > > > > To a point that may be true, but making old code run by > > implementing layers that mimic the behavior of older lisps > > is not something I would argue is a good thing. > > But Axiom has had just such a c

RE: [Axiom-developer] axiom common lisp

2005-11-17 Thread Bill Page
On November 17, 2005 3:06 PM C Y wrote: > > --- Bill Page wrote: > > > > > Looking at the Axiom lisp code it is obvious that it contains > > multiple layers and multiple styles, but I think it is not > > correct to class this as "bizarre". Allowing such a mix of > > layers and styles is one of t

RE: [Axiom-developer] axiom common lisp

2005-11-17 Thread C Y
--- Bill Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On November 17, 2005 9:17 AM C Y wrote: > > > > I think the point should be made that Tim (the "root" Tim) is > > taking a more measured approach - rather than just making the > > code work on ANSI lisp implementations, he is going in and > > addressing/

RE: [Axiom-developer] axiom common lisp

2005-11-17 Thread Bill Page
On November 17, 2005 9:17 AM C Y wrote: > > I think the point should be made that Tim (the "root" Tim) is > taking a more measured approach - rather than just making the > code work on ANSI lisp implementations, he is going in and > addressing/eliminating the multitude of bizarre layers that > hav

Re: [Axiom-developer] axiom common lisp

2005-11-17 Thread root
nope. the test cases are embedded in the pamphlet file and get run during the build. i have a wrapper function to compare input and output. ___ Axiom-developer mailing list Axiom-developer@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-develo

Re: [Axiom-developer] axiom common lisp

2005-11-17 Thread C Y
--- root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > the process: > > mod the code > doc the mods in the pamphlets > supply appropriate test case(s) > diff -Naur the files with the latest --patch level > post the patches. OK. I myself am quite content to wait for the robust rewrite but I thought may

RE: [Axiom-developer] axiom common lisp

2005-11-17 Thread Weiss, Juergen
)39-26361, FAX: +49(6131)39-26407 > -Original Message- > From: root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 6:44 PM > To: Weiss, Juergen > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > [EMAIL PROTECTED]; axiom-developer@nongnu.org > Subject: Re: [A

Re: [Axiom-developer] axiom common lisp

2005-11-17 Thread root
> Have done it 2 years ago. I won't do it again. > > Juergen Weiss sigh. ok. it appears you feel slighted because your ansi patches didn't get added to the system 2 years ago. three years ago gcl was chosen (over ccl) because (a) i knew it worked on akcl (gcl's parent code) and (b) i helped writ

Re: [Axiom-developer] axiom common lisp

2005-11-17 Thread root
> Tim, if patches were made available that would allow Axiom to > transition to ANSI GCL would there be any chance they could be merged > in with the latest release branch? Or do we want to avoid dealing with > the problems that will surely crop up moving between Lisp > implementations until the p

RE: [Axiom-developer] axiom common lisp

2005-11-17 Thread Weiss, Juergen
ED] > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 5:48 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Weiss, Juergen; axiom-developer@nongnu.org > Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] axiom common lisp > > > Tim, if patches were made available that would allow Axiom to > > transition

Re: [Axiom-developer] axiom common lisp

2005-11-17 Thread root
> Tim, if patches were made available that would allow Axiom to > transition to ANSI GCL would there be any chance they could be merged > in with the latest release branch? Or do we want to avoid dealing with > the problems that will surely crop up moving between Lisp > implementations until the p

RE: [Axiom-developer] axiom common lisp

2005-11-17 Thread C Y
I think the point should be made that Tim (the "root" Tim) is taking a more measured approach - rather than just making the code work on ANSI lisp implementations, he is going in and addressing/eliminating the multitude of bizarre layers that have accumulated over the decades. (I think - feel free

RE: [Axiom-developer] axiom common lisp

2005-11-17 Thread Tim Daly Jr.
On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 13:29 +0100, Weiss, Juergen wrote: ... > > Hahaha! :) You did a CMUCL port 2 years ago? In 1/2 a day? Nice. :) > > Did not say that. With the changes I made and the link to the > sources I posted 2 years ago, it should not take longer than > 1/2 a day to incorportate the c

RE: [Axiom-developer] axiom common lisp

2005-11-17 Thread Weiss, Juergen
> -Original Message- > From: Tim Daly Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 11:57 AM > To: Weiss, Juergen > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > [EMAIL PROTECTED]; axiom-developer@nongnu.org > Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] axiom common lisp > &g

RE: [Axiom-developer] axiom common lisp

2005-11-17 Thread Tim Daly Jr.
On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 10:20 +0100, Weiss, Juergen wrote: > Actually the changes are minor, if you forget about > changes in style. There is the changed package syntax. > And there is the quoted function stuff and some minor > changes (a few macros and one or two places in the algebra > code) for s

RE: [Axiom-developer] axiom common lisp

2005-11-17 Thread Weiss, Juergen
TECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of root > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 5:25 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Axiom-developer] axiom common lisp > > Bill, > > in "ANSI Common Lisp" b

[Axiom-developer] axiom common lisp

2005-11-16 Thread root
Bill, in "ANSI Common Lisp" by Paul Graham (ISBN0-13-370875-6) on pp304-309 Graham lists the changes from common lisp to ansi common lisp. axiom has example code that either violates the new standard (eg in-package) or duplicates the new standard (destructuring binds) with our own twists. Axiom is