Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] Bug in conditional exports

2016-02-07 Thread daly
>> No, LinGroebnerPackage is not Groebner walk. It is an older method >> which is limited to zero dimensional ideals (it has name attached but >> ATM I have no reference handy). >You probably mean FGLM. >http://www-polsys.lip6.fr/~jcf/Papers/FGLM.pdf >I should have stated that in the first place

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] documentation standards

2015-01-07 Thread Gabriel Dos Reis
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Bill Page wrote: [...] > It is remarkable to me how our perceptions differ! When did you last > look at OpenAxiom? I think the effort in OpenAxiom has been mostly of > an internal nature: extensions to the SPAD language, improvements in > coding style and prepar

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] documentation standards

2014-12-30 Thread Raymond Rogers
On 12/29/2014 04:05 PM, Bill Page wrote: Axiom - One developer - when he goes Axiom goes. I think that you are probably right here that "when he goes the [original] Axiom project goes". I am not aware of anyone motivated to continue the work in the direction that Tim Daly has taken it. I'm

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] documentation standards

2014-12-30 Thread Eugene Surowitz
Here's some of my reactions: On 12/29/2014 4:05 PM, Bill Page wrote: On 24 December 2014 at 20:31, Eugene Surowitz wrote: Ralf is only telling it as it is, but I wish I could be even as pessimistic as him. I am definitely not as pessimistic as either of you! I'm glad to hear this. My own

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] documentation standards

2014-12-29 Thread Bill Page
On 24 December 2014 at 20:31, Eugene Surowitz wrote: > Ralf is only telling it as it is, > but I wish I could be even as pessimistic as him. > I am definitely not as pessimistic as either of you! > This is a crisis disguised as another documentation squabble. It seems to me the crisis actually

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] documentation standards

2014-12-28 Thread Gabriel Dos Reis
On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 5:31 PM, Eugene Surowitz wrote: > Ralf is only telling it as it is, > but I wish I could be even as pessimistic as him. > > This is a crisis disguised as another documentation squabble. > As I see the status of PanAxiom: > > OpenAxiom - One developer - little to no activit

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] documentation standards

2014-12-27 Thread Eugene Surowitz
Waldek: Thank you for providing this explanation of your viewpoint and experiences that motivate it. Up until now I was baffled by what you seemed to be doing. It seems clear the kind of support mechanism(s) that a code complex like PanAxiom needs must be very dynamically adaptable at a keystroke

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] documentation standards

2014-12-24 Thread Eugene Surowitz
Ralf is only telling it as it is, but I wish I could be even as pessimistic as him. This is a crisis disguised as another documentation squabble. As I see the status of PanAxiom: OpenAxiom - One developer - little to no activity = dead branch. FriCAS- One developer - one developer - system b

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] Re: CAD package from Renaud

2014-09-10 Thread Waldek Hebisch
Renaud Rioboo wrote: > > Dear Axiom Gurus, > > > Axiom is BSD licensed. And Renaud Rioboo writes in > > > > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2005-10/msg00125.html > > > > == > > Recently Martin Rubey thought it could be a good idea to release them and I

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] Re: CAD package from Renaud Rioboo

2014-09-09 Thread Renaud Rioboo
Dear Axiom Gurus, > Axiom is BSD licensed. And Renaud Rioboo writes in > > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2005-10/msg00125.html > > == > Recently Martin Rubey thought it could be a good idea to release them and I > have of course no objection on that po

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] Re: CAD package from Renaud Rioboo

2014-09-09 Thread Waldek Hebisch
> > On 09/09/2014 04:03 PM, Waldek Hebisch wrote: > > Thanks. However, I have a compilable version for FriCAS. > > Huh? Where? In my machine. > > I have waited to have clear copyright situation. Currently FriCAS is > > BSD licenced while IIRC the CAD pacakge is GPL. > > GPL? What are your so

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] Re: CAD package from Renaud Rioboo

2014-09-09 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
On 09/09/2014 04:03 PM, Waldek Hebisch wrote: > Thanks. However, I have a compilable version for FriCAS. Huh? Where? > I have waited to have clear copyright situation. Currently FriCAS is > BSD licenced while IIRC the CAD pacakge is GPL. GPL? What are your sources for this claim? Axiom is BSD

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] Re: overlabel

2014-07-07 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
On 07/07/2014 11:29 PM, Eugene Surowitz wrote: > Actually it sort of looks just plain wrong. I can neither agree nor disagree when there is no specification. ;-) > And in the interpreter's output > \: looks appropriately used, for spacing. If you mean the use of \: in >> $$ >> OVERLABEL >> \lef

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] Re: overlabel

2014-07-07 Thread Eugene Surowitz
Actually it sort of looks just plain wrong. Lamport LaTex says \: provides medium spacing rather than whatever the default would be; Spivak Joy p.220 talks about spacing similarly but he seems flub it in line (12) of his example versus his discussion below it -- missing a colon in the TeX. So t

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] overlabel

2014-07-07 Thread Eugene Surowitz
This looks like an attempt, together with 'over' and 'overbar' to implement the notion putting a symbol over another symbol between them -- much in the manner of a fraction. See the TeXbook p.70 and The Joy of TeX p.146 (in my copies). Just last week I ran into issues with what Joy says should h

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] TexFormat with latex output

2014-06-29 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
On 06/29/2014 02:56 PM, Bill Page wrote: > Of course axiom-wiki uses the tex output extensively in a manner similar to > efricas. Where can I patch the things? That are relevant to my changes? In other words: where is it documented what mathaction actually does to get the latex picture? If there i

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] TexFormat with latex output

2014-06-29 Thread Bill Page
Of course axiom-wiki uses the tex output extensively in a manner similar to efricas. On 2014-06-29 6:06 AM, "Ralf Hemmecke" wrote: > There were several point that made me think. > > 1) Where is TexFormat actually used? > 2) Don't break efricas way of showing rendered latex via >\usepackage{pr

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] TexFormat with latex output

2014-06-27 Thread Eugene Surowitz
\begin{array} is the "native" LaTeX book invocation of an "array" environment; if somebody has added a "pmatrix" environment, I personally would avoid using it in anything I wrote unless it is in the current LaTeX2e (or beyond) standard. It is a combinatorial impossibility for you, me, or anyone

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] Re: bug in books/tangle.lisp

2013-11-16 Thread Paul Onions
Hello jiazhaoconga, On 16 Nov 2013, at 15:46, jiazhaoconga wrote: axiom-environment keeps a list of axiom symbols, https://bitbucket.org/pdo/axiom-environment/src/3d58f5ff7412cb519bbfb70f3cc0711931e216e9/data/?at=default and the author updates it a few times, but there is no documentation about

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] Re: bug in books/tangle.lisp

2013-11-16 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
On 11/16/2013 04:46 PM, jiazhaoconga wrote: >> Anyway, you have probably seen keywords.sh. >> https://github.com/hemmecke/vim-panaxiom/tree/master/axiom > > axiom-environment keeps a list of axiom symbols, > https://bitbucket.org/pdo/axiom-environment/src/3d58f5ff7412cb519bbfb70f3cc0711931e216e9

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] Re: Vim syntax file

2013-11-13 Thread Prof. Dr. Grabmeier Johannes
yes sure, we should merge the two solutions, if there are extra features, not covered yet. You are right, from time to time (at every release?), one should update the list of data structures an operations. Am 13.11.2013 um 13:32 schrieb Ralf Hemmecke: >>> https://github.com/hemmecke/vim-panaxio

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] Noweb and literate programming

2013-08-06 Thread Eugene Surowitz
Your efforts are not for nought; however, you missed the same thing that Knuth missed: The AXIOM/FRICAS/OpenAXIOM situation is the inverse problem to working with an already literate program. The panAXIOM problem is how to create a literate program from an pre-literate one. Knuth fudged this wi

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] Re: icons and exprint

2013-04-25 Thread Eugene Surowitz
Publishers have what is known as "Imprints"; these are, historically, other companies that were absorbed but the customers don't care about the merger and acquisitions. Axiom, FriCAS, and OpenAxiom could possibly adopt a common "exprint" while having their own unique icon/trademark. Cheers, Gene

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] Re: icons

2013-04-25 Thread Bill Page
I think Gene has a good point also indirectly observed by Gaby: Most of the proposals so far may not represent the actual intention of the web site - even if FriCAS is the project which is hosting the site. In the past when trying to refer to any of the original Axiom project, FriCAS or OpenAxiom

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] Re: icons

2013-04-25 Thread Eugene Surowitz
I like the idea of icons/logos acknowledging the common history; Things that might be used create sufficiently non-infringing are style, color, shape, wording. I'm not quite sure what I mean by 'style'. As a 'wording' example, to distinguish to things on my product disk, I label their top direct

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] Re: trademarks

2013-04-25 Thread Gabriel Dos Reis
Waldek Hebisch writes: [...] | Also, I think it would be reasonable to change name to | FriCAS Wiki and change logo (currently all pages show | Axiom logo). this goes back to a question I asked some time ago. Glad to see it has found a more definitive answer. -- Gaby

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] Re: trademarks

2013-04-25 Thread Gabriel Dos Reis
Eugene Surowitz writes: [...] | The issue is deeper though: An inspection of only the src/interp | source files reveals numerous references to 'axiom' or 'Axiom'. | FriCAS appears to use boot code -- I assume, without having got | around to inspecting it in more detail, that it too may contain |

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] Re: trademarks

2013-04-23 Thread u1204
Feel free to delete the CAISS thank-you information. They get thanked on the Axiom home page. I have no opinion about changing anything on the Wiki provided that any use of "Axiom" actually refers to the Axiom project. I see you've already taken steps to make it clear what system is used. Thank y

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] Re: trademarks

2013-04-23 Thread u1204
>> I think Tim would already be happy, if we modify the >> >> axiom >> >> that appears on every outputbox of >> >> http://axiom-wiki.newsynthesis.org/SandBoxObserverAsIdempotent2 >> (and every such box on such generated output) into "fricas". >> >> I don't care if fricas-devel get's more bug re

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] Re: trademarks

2013-04-23 Thread u1204
Ralf, >We are in the unfortunate situation of having 3 systems that are >terribly similar but not equal. Would be nice if we converged, but I >don't see this to happen in the near future. So it's only fair if people >are made aware of the differences of the systems. You'll notice that I have made

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] Re: trademarks

2013-04-23 Thread Bill Page
On 23 April 2013 15:22, Waldek Hebisch wrote: > Bill Page wrote: >> >> The frontpage of the website >> >> http://axiom-wiki.newsynthesis.org >> >> and more specifically the following linked page >> >> http://axiom-wiki.newsynthesis.org/AboutAxiom >> >> Refers to all three "Axiom-related" projects

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] Re: trademarks

2013-04-23 Thread Waldek Hebisch
Bill Page wrote: > > The frontpage of the website > > http://axiom-wiki.newsynthesis.org > > and more specifically the following linked page > > http://axiom-wiki.newsynthesis.org/AboutAxiom > > Refers to all three "Axiom-related" projects (plus Reduce, Maxima, > Sage although I think Waldek h

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] Re: trademarks

2013-04-23 Thread Waldek Hebisch
> > I think Tim would already be happy, if we modify the > > axiom > > that appears on every outputbox of > > http://axiom-wiki.newsynthesis.org/SandBoxObserverAsIdempotent2 > (and every such box on such generated output) into "fricas". > > I don't care if fricas-devel get's more bug reports i

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] Re: trademarks

2013-04-23 Thread Eugene Surowitz
One Wiki with a clear indication which variant is being exercised and auto-direction to the appropriate list for comments and bug reports. Cheers, Gene On 4/23/2013 12:07 PM, Waldek Hebisch wrote: Eugene Surowitz wrote: Personally, I would very much prefer a single wiki. I believe that users

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] Re: trademarks

2013-04-23 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
I think Tim would already be happy, if we modify the axiom that appears on every outputbox of http://axiom-wiki.newsynthesis.org/SandBoxObserverAsIdempotent2 (and every such box on such generated output) into "fricas". I don't care if fricas-devel get's more bug reports in this way. That would

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] Re: trademarks

2013-04-23 Thread Waldek Hebisch
Eugene Surowitz wrote: > > Personally, I would very much prefer a single wiki. > > I believe that users would have great difficulty in distinguishing > the various forks in a systematic way; they may not have > been the one to set up which ever variation was installed with > their working group.

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] Re: trademarks

2013-04-23 Thread Waldek Hebisch
Eugene Surowitz wrote: > > The issue is deeper though: An inspection of only the src/interp > source files reveals numerous references to 'axiom' or 'Axiom'. > FriCAS appears to use boot code -- I assume, without having got > around to inspecting it in more detail, that it too may contain > many s

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] Re: trademarks

2013-04-22 Thread Eugene Surowitz
I have known about 'sed' for a long time; but have had enough experience with global change mechanisms to avoid them like the plague. Cheers, Gene On 4/22/2013 1:42 PM, u1204 wrote: Already understood and I had already mirrored my comments to the FriCAS-devel list; just forgot to include OpenAx

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] Re: trademarks

2013-04-22 Thread u1204
>I am sorry, but changing variable names inside source code because of >a project fork seems incorrect to me. I think it would be both wrong >and even more confusing if FriCAS and OpenAxiom tried to give the >impression that they had no relation to each other and no relation at >all to the origina

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] Re: trademarks

2013-04-22 Thread Bill Page
I am sorry, but changing variable names inside source code because of a project fork seems incorrect to me. I think it would be both wrong and even more confusing if FriCAS and OpenAxiom tried to give the impression that they had no relation to each other and no relation at all to the original Axi

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] Re: trademarks

2013-04-22 Thread Bill Page
On 22 April 2013 13:42, u1204 wrote: >> Already understood and I had already mirrored my comments >> to the FriCAS-devel list; just forgot to include OpenAxiom. >> >> The issue is deeper though: An inspection of only the src/interp >> source files reveals numerous references to 'axiom' or 'Axiom'.

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] Re: trademarks

2013-04-22 Thread u1204
> Already understood and I had already mirrored my comments > to the FriCAS-devel list; just forgot to include OpenAxiom. > > The issue is deeper though: An inspection of only the src/interp > source files reveals numerous references to 'axiom' or 'Axiom'. > FriCAS appears to use boot code -- I as

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] Re: trademarks

2013-04-22 Thread Eugene Surowitz
Already understood and I had already mirrored my comments to the FriCAS-devel list; just forgot to include OpenAxiom. The issue is deeper though: An inspection of only the src/interp source files reveals numerous references to 'axiom' or 'Axiom'. FriCAS appears to use boot code -- I assume, witho

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] Re: trademarks

2013-04-22 Thread u1204
Eugene, The issue has nothing to do with the wiki. I don't care if the wiki uses Axiom. Axiom is open source software and can be used by anyone. The issue is using the Axiom name to label things that are not Axiom. In this instance, the web page http://axiom-wiki.newsynthesis.org/SandBoxOb

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] Re: trademarks

2013-04-22 Thread Bill Page
The frontpage of the website http://axiom-wiki.newsynthesis.org and more specifically the following linked page http://axiom-wiki.newsynthesis.org/AboutAxiom Refers to all three "Axiom-related" projects (plus Reduce, Maxima, Sage although I think Waldek has already disabled support for these "n

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] Re: trademarks

2013-04-22 Thread Eugene Surowitz
Personally, I would very much prefer a single wiki. I believe that users would have great difficulty in distinguishing the various forks in a systematic way; they may not have been the one to set up which ever variation was installed with their working group. Gene On 4/21/2013 11:00 PM, Bill Pa

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] spadhelp

2012-09-21 Thread Waldek Hebisch
> > Hello Waldek, hello Tim, > > in FriCAS, I find a file src/hyper/pages/HEAP.ht with a header > > % Copyright The Numerical Algorithms Group Limited 1992-94. All rights > reserved. > % !! DO NOT MODIFY THIS FILE BY HAND !! Created by ht.awk. > > But there isn't any ht.awk in the repository.

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] PanAxiom or separate project pages?

2012-06-11 Thread Bill Page
Ralf, Axiom wiki does not depend on Plone although it can be used from Plone. Axiom wiki was in fact built on another Zope product called ZWiki. When you say "static stuff" I wonder if you do not fully appreciate how a wiki operates. The "static stuff" is normally not what gets presented to a u

Re: [Axiom-developer] [fricas-devel] axiom-wiki: PanAxiom or separate project pages?

2012-04-22 Thread Waldek Hebisch
> > Dear all, > > since about two weeks now http://axiom-wiki.newsynthesis.org/ > http://axiom-portal.newsynthesis.org/ are down. The virtual machine is > no longer hosted by a computer of the sage progject. > > Looks like nobody is using these sites. There were no complaints so far. I freqent

Re: [Axiom-developer] fricas-1.0.5 fails to build on (my) Gentoo system

2009-01-29 Thread Waldek Hebisch
Helmut Jarausch wrote: > Hi, > trying to build fricas-1.0.5 on my Gentoo system, Note that FriCAS and Axiom are separate projects. For FriCAS specific topics plase use FriCAS mailing list: http://groups.google.com/group/fricas-devel?hl=en I write more in private mail. --

[Axiom-developer] fricas-1.0.5 fails to build on (my) Gentoo system

2009-01-29 Thread Helmut Jarausch
Hi, trying to build fricas-1.0.5 on my Gentoo system, I get - after some while - Entering directory `/Obj/OBJ/Math/fricas-1.0.5/src/paste' for A in ALIST.pht cp: cannot stat `./ALIST.pht': No such file or directory Here my configure : CFLAGS='-O3 -march=native' ./configure --prefix=/usr/loca

Re: [Axiom-developer] Fricas

2007-07-27 Thread Franz Lehner
My problem with Bill's actions is that he does things like post FriCAS patches on the axiom mailing list. This is entirely off-topic. well, perhaps not entirely. The patch Bill posted was _exactly_ identical to my original axiom patch with the exception of the database issue which is at least f

Re: [Axiom-developer] Fricas

2007-07-27 Thread Gabriel Dos Reis
On Fri, 27 Jul 2007, Bill Page wrote: | On 7/27/07, Gabriel Dos Reis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > ... | > Many thanks for the reminder. I just uploaded it. | > | >http://parasol.tamu.edu/~gdr/Axiom/talks/lille-2007-06.pdf | > | > I wrote the content before "the" fork, but I would not change

Re: [Axiom-developer] Fricas

2007-07-27 Thread Bill Page
On 7/27/07, Gabriel Dos Reis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ... > Many thanks for the reminder. I just uploaded it. > >http://parasol.tamu.edu/~gdr/Axiom/talks/lille-2007-06.pdf > > I wrote the content before "the" fork, but I would not change > anything if I had to write it based on what I know

Re: [Axiom-developer] Fricas

2007-07-27 Thread Gabriel Dos Reis
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: | Gaby, | | You had mentioned a week or two ago about posting some slides on the | 'net detailing a talk you gave about Axiom, which IIRC contained some | personal ideas about future directions. Did these ever get online? | Apologies in advance if I som

Re: [Axiom-developer] Fricas

2007-07-26 Thread Stephen Wilson
Gaby, You had mentioned a week or two ago about posting some slides on the 'net detailing a talk you gave about Axiom, which IIRC contained some personal ideas about future directions. Did these ever get online? Apologies in advance if I somehow missed them. Take care, Steve

Re: [Axiom-developer] Fricas

2007-07-26 Thread Bill Page
On 26 Jul 2007 16:42:24 -0400, Stephen Wilson wrote: Perhaps what we need is a page on the wiki which describes the goals of the Axiom project in a succinct way. That page can be developed and driven by a community effort. Well that is certainly what I had in mind when I made the changes tha

Re: [Axiom-developer] Fricas

2007-07-26 Thread Gabriel Dos Reis
Stephen Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | *, | | Perhaps what we need is a page on the wiki which describes the goals | of the Axiom project in a succinct way. That page can be developed | and driven by a community effort. | | It can contain a listing of all of the current branches which | d

Re: [Axiom-developer] Fricas

2007-07-26 Thread Stephen Wilson
*, Perhaps what we need is a page on the wiki which describes the goals of the Axiom project in a succinct way. That page can be developed and driven by a community effort. It can contain a listing of all of the current branches which describes the efforts underway to realize some of those objec

Re: [Axiom-developer] Fricas

2007-07-26 Thread Bill Page
On 26 Jul 2007 14:36:15 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ... | When I go into a restaurant and order a "coke" I frequently get asked | "Is Pepsi ok?". There is a reason why they bother to ask. For all I know, proof by analogy is fraud. http://jyte.c

Re: [Axiom-developer] Fricas

2007-07-26 Thread Gabriel Dos Reis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | Bill, | | > Are you going to say if I happen to mention FriCAS once or twice that | > I am somehow mis-using Axiom "resources, history, goodwill", etc.? | | When I go into a restaurant and order a "coke" I frequently get asked | "Is Pepsi ok?". There is a reason why t

Re: [Axiom-developer] Fricas

2007-07-26 Thread Gabriel Dos Reis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | > Much better for Axiom would be if we get Waldek back into the boat. | > Isn't that simple? Cooperation, not separation. | | There has been no discussion against Waldek participating in Axiom. | I, for one, would welcome his participation at any time. I participate |

Re: [Axiom-developer] Fricas

2007-07-26 Thread Gabriel Dos Reis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | I strongly object to the dilution of the Axiom name and resources | implied by your action. A fork implies the decision NOT to share | resources. Please do NOT promote Fricas as Axiom in any forum. | They are two entirely separate projects. | | We clearly disagree on t

[Axiom-developer] Fricas

2007-07-26 Thread daly
Bill, > Are you going to say if I happen to mention FriCAS once or twice that > I am somehow mis-using Axiom "resources, history, goodwill", etc.? When I go into a restaurant and order a "coke" I frequently get asked "Is Pepsi ok?". There is a reason why they bother to ask. How often, and in wha

[Axiom-developer] Fricas

2007-07-26 Thread daly
Bill, > A fork is a failure to communicate. A fork is a separate project. A failure to communicate is what you and I have. Tim ___ Axiom-developer mailing list Axiom-developer@nongnu.org ht

[Axiom-developer] Fricas

2007-07-26 Thread daly
Cliff, > Tim, perhaps you could upload a page to the wiki defining in a concise > manner the original foundational project goals, so we have a place to > refer to for this discussion? contains the project goals as of Oct, 2004 rep

[Axiom-developer] Fricas

2007-07-26 Thread daly
> Much better for Axiom would be if we get Waldek back into the boat. > Isn't that simple? Cooperation, not separation. There has been no discussion against Waldek participating in Axiom. I, for one, would welcome his participation at any time. I participate in a couple computer algebra systems an

Re: [Axiom-developer] Fricas

2007-07-26 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
Hello, I clearly understand any position. Axiom is not FriCAS and FriCAS should not sell under the name of Axiom. That's clear, but not the point. Much better for Axiom would be if we get Waldek back into the boat. Isn't that simple? Cooperation, not separation. Let's not fight against each

[Axiom-developer] Fricas

2007-07-25 Thread daly
Bill, > But you are paying the bills for the entire axiom-developer.org server > so I have complied with your request. To me this clearly demonstrates > that an open source project (like Axiom used to be) should *never* > allow themselves to get into a situation where significant project > resourc

Re: [Axiom-developer] Fricas

2007-07-25 Thread Stephen Wilson
Bill, I need to strongly second Tim's concern. It is one thing for Axiom developers and FriCAS developers to exchange ideas and patches on the axiom-developer mailing list. It is another issue all together to use this forum, or to use Axioms website, to promote FriCAS as an alternative to the sy

[Axiom-developer] Fricas

2007-07-25 Thread daly
Andrey, I suggest you visit the CMUCL common lisp project, and the SBCL common lisp project, . These are two separate projects, with completely separate goals and resources. SBCL is a fork from CMUCL, started in 1999. SBCL acknowledges t

Re: [Axiom-developer] Fricas

2007-07-25 Thread Andrey G. Grozin
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007, Tim Daly wrote: Bill, I see that you've decided to update the pages to include the fricas project. We discussed this issue previously on the mailing list. I am sorry to ask: what is the purpose of the web site? To be useful

[Axiom-developer] Fricas

2007-07-25 Thread daly
Bill, I see that you've decided to update the pages to include the fricas project. We discussed this issue previously on the mailing list. I suggest that you read the section: from which I quote:

[Axiom-developer] FriCAS mailing list

2007-07-11 Thread Waldek Hebisch
There is now a Google group (mailing list): [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is intended that all FriCAS specific discussion should take place on the fricas-devel list. You can also find my first writeup about FriCAS at: http://www.math.uni.wroc.pl/~hebisch/fricas.html (this is a copy of registration text

Re: [Axiom-developer] friCAS

2007-07-11 Thread Gabriel Dos Reis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | Waldek, | | You've decided that you'd rather not contribute to Axiom. Tim -- Stop that nonsense. To my mind, you owe Waldek an apology. And please stop being divisive and exclusive; you're on the road of sabotaging the project and its community. -- Gaby _

Re: [Axiom-developer] friCAS

2007-07-07 Thread Martin Rubey
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I'd asked only one thing of anyone who created a fork. I'll ask again. > Please stop using the name Axiom, anywhere. Your fork does not support > the goals of the Axiom project or the Axiom community. It supports > your goals, whatever they may be. Trading on the name o

Re: [Axiom-developer] friCAS

2007-07-06 Thread Bill Page
Tim, I think your email to Waldek is grossly unfair and inaccurate. I think Waldek (building on top of the work done by Gaby) has contributed more to the Axiom project in the last 6 months than any other Axiom developer has in the last 5 years Your claim that he would "rather not contribute to Ax

[Axiom-developer] friCAS

2007-07-06 Thread daly
Waldek, You've decided that you'd rather not contribute to Axiom. You prefer to create your own project to achieve your own goals. I have no opinion about that except that there are some implications of that choice. I'd asked only one thing of anyone who created a fork. I'll ask again. Please sto

Re: [Axiom-developer] FriCAS started

2007-07-06 Thread Bill Page
On 7/6/07, Waldek Hebisch wrote: ... FriCAS is now started -- you can see the SVN repository at: http://fricas.svn.sourceforge.net/ To check out a copy do: svn co https://fricas.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/fricas/trunk fricas Thank you for taking this bold step. I am very much in favor of t

[Axiom-developer] FriCAS started

2007-07-06 Thread Waldek Hebisch
I wrote: > I plan to created a new project called FriCAS FriCAS is now started -- you can see the SVN repository at: http://fricas.svn.sourceforge.net/ To check out a copy do: svn co https://fricas.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/fricas/trunk fricas FriCAS revision 6 is identical to a subset of wh