[Fwd: Re: [Axiom-developer] A Canonical Axiom GUI]

2006-09-15 Thread Vanuxem Grégory
Kai Kaminski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> À: Vanuxem Gregory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sujet: Re: [Axiom-developer] A Canonical Axiom GUI Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:50:49 +0200 Vanuxem Gregory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> -Message d'origine- >> De : [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [Axiom-developer] A Canonical Axiom GUI

2006-09-13 Thread Vanuxem Gregory
> -Message d'origine- > De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] la > part de Kai Kaminski > Envoye : vendredi 8 septembre 2006 15:56 > A : C Y > Cc : axiom-developer@nongnu.org > Objet : Re: [Axiom-developer] A Canonical Axiom GUI [...] > I

Re: [Axiom-developer] A Canonical Axiom GUI

2006-09-12 Thread Kai Kaminski
"Bill Page" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > C Y <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> ... > 1. I think a default GUI for Axiom would be a Very Good Thing >>> >>>Kai Kaminski wrote: As I said, I'm not convinced. > > I am convinced that trying to build a graphical user interface that > works only

RE: [Axiom-developer] A Canonical Axiom GUI

2006-09-10 Thread C Y
--- Bill Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I do appreciate the sentiment in Kai's remark, which he indicates > we should take as humour. But I am worried that some people who are > potential contributors to this discussion might well perceive it > as fact. If so, I think that is very unfortunate.

RE: [Axiom-developer] A Canonical Axiom GUI

2006-09-10 Thread Bill Page
C Y <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > ... 1. I think a default GUI for Axiom would be a Very Good Thing >> >>Kai Kaminski wrote: >>> As I said, I'm not convinced. I am convinced that trying to build a graphical user interface that works only with Axiom would *not* be a good thing. > > > > No w

Re: [Axiom-developer] A Canonical Axiom GUI

2006-09-08 Thread C Y
--- Kai Kaminski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What we should expose to GUIs and how is probably somewhat > > separate from how the GUIs use that information. The > > latter is usually where most of the trouble comes in :-). > > It is indeed very different. Of course, the former should be guided >

Re: [Axiom-developer] A Canonical Axiom GUI

2006-09-08 Thread Martin Rubey
Hi Kai! Kai Kaminski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Good to see you here! > 1) In the Axiom core we create one or more additional Lisp packages >(in the DEFPACKAGE sense) that provide an API for all the services >that a GUI needs/wants/whatever. > >The most important feature would prob

Re: [Axiom-developer] A Canonical Axiom GUI

2006-09-08 Thread Kai Kaminski
C Y <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hey Kai! We never seem to overlap on IRC, do we? ;-) Sorry about that > - I need xchat to make a noise when someone sends a message to me. > Hmm... :-) > --- Kai Kaminski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> The tool doesn't change, only the GUI. Do you know any ot

Re: [Axiom-developer] A Canonical Axiom GUI

2006-09-08 Thread Kai Kaminski
Gabriel Dos Reis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Kai Kaminski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > [...] > > | PS: I don't mean to say that there shouldn't be a nice, downloadable > | package on Axiom's website featuring a specific GUI. What I'm after is > | independence. Axiom's main branch should conta

Re: [Axiom-developer] A Canonical Axiom GUI

2006-09-07 Thread C Y
Hey Kai! We never seem to overlap on IRC, do we? ;-) Sorry about that - I need xchat to make a noise when someone sends a message to me. Hmm... --- Kai Kaminski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The tool doesn't change, only the GUI. Do you know any other > successful language that has a canonical

Re: [Axiom-developer] A Canonical Axiom GUI

2006-09-07 Thread Gabriel Dos Reis
Kai Kaminski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] | PS: I don't mean to say that there shouldn't be a nice, downloadable | package on Axiom's website featuring a specific GUI. What I'm after is | independence. Axiom's main branch should contain no GUI-related code | other than the implementation of

Re: [Axiom-developer] A Canonical Axiom GUI

2006-09-07 Thread Kai Kaminski
C Y <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I won't argue with those who will point out that this doesn't mean > anything about how good the mathematical abilities of the software are > - indeed, I agree with them. But for those who will evaluate Axiom as > a tool to use, the metrics they will be using in

Re: [Axiom-developer] A Canonical Axiom GUI

2006-09-07 Thread Gabriel Dos Reis
C Y <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] | It takes enough time and energy to evaluate a tool such as Axiom in a | non-trivial way that the motivation to do so must be extreme. (How | many people here have seen a sub-optimal tool used simply because | people already knew it and thought it would be

Re: [Axiom-developer] A Canonical Axiom GUI

2006-09-07 Thread Gabriel Dos Reis
C Y <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] | It takes enough time and energy to evaluate a tool such as Axiom in a | non-trivial way that the motivation to do so must be extreme. (How | many people here have seen a sub-optimal tool used simply because | people already knew it and thought it would be