Re: [Axiom-developer] Aldor Design Doc

2019-03-19 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
Can also be found here... http://physics.bu.edu/~youssef/homepage/talks/categories/categories.html This seems to be an article related to these slides. http://atlas.bu.edu/~youssef/papers/math/aldor/aldor.pdf I remember that Saul Youssef gave me access to his code, which I made compile with the

Re: [Axiom-developer] Aldor and Axiom workshop

2015-01-06 Thread daly
>I found this page: > > Aldor & Axiom Workshop 2008 > >http://compgroups.net/comp.lang.lisp/-ann-aldor-axiom-openaxiom-fricas-workshop-200/705328 > > >Will there be another event like this in the near future? I was unaware this took place. Tim

Re: [Axiom-developer] Aldor

2011-10-17 Thread daly
Well I spent the night thinking about it and, frankly, I'd say that Haskell has taken over the niche where Aldor could have been. Haskell has an interactive mode, a strong compiler, strong type checking, multi-core support, and a much larger user population. I don't see that Aldor offers any advant

Re: [Axiom-developer] Aldor

2011-10-17 Thread Gabriel Dos Reis
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 4:15 AM, Martin Baker wrote: > On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 21:27:41 Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > [...] if only all this wasted effort could have been spent adding > Aldor-like features to Axiom. like per/rep, or import Foreign to OpenAxiom? ;-) _

Re: [Axiom-developer] Aldor

2011-10-17 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
Hi Martin, Better it is free and there is a little chance that some day someone picks it up) than non-free and unmaintained. I don't understand the technical issues and I agree that, in most cases, choice is a good thing. This is not about choice or fragmentation. Simply look at the error

Re: [Axiom-developer] Aldor

2011-10-17 Thread Martin Baker
On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 21:27:41 Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > Better it is free and there is a little chance that some day someone > picks it up) than non-free and unmaintained. I don't understand the technical issues and I agree that, in most cases, choice is a good thing. However, in the case of pan-a

Re: [Axiom-developer] Aldor

2011-10-16 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
On 10/16/2011 09:14 PM, d...@axiom-developer.org wrote: PS: Yes, I'm still hoping that one day Aldor becomes free. :-) I think you over-estimate the value of a "free Aldor" and underestimate the costs. Sure, I do. ;-) But a non-free Aldor cannot serve the scientific community at all. All CAS

Re: [Axiom-developer] aldor concern

2008-06-04 Thread root
>so I put the question if any of you are 100% committed to maintaining >your project as a free software project. I do not object to >supporting aldor for the end user but I will not continue using >axiom/fricas/open-axiom if aldor becomes an essential component. The Aldor software cannot become a

Re: [Axiom-developer] aldor/axiom interoperability

2008-03-15 Thread Gregory Vanuxem
Tim, Many thanks for your interest but as I said the code is not interesting. The code that saves/restore the Axiom environment is lost (with other things), other parts of code are purely experimental (can't publish them as they are, in fact I do not like them in general), other parts are not port

Re: [Axiom-developer] aldor/axiom interoperability

2008-03-15 Thread Martin Rubey
"Bill Page" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > And how come I cannot get any aldor to work together with > > my fricas currently? I'm a little desperate. > > > > I don't know. Perhaps you can report what problems you find so that > other people can try to help. I reported them just a few mails ago

Re: [Axiom-developer] aldor/axiom interoperability

2008-03-15 Thread root
Greg, Can you make your code tree accessible somewhere? I can give you a userid on axiom-developer.org and you can upload it there? I'd like to pick up the changes you've been making and merge them back into the main tree. Tim ___ Axiom-developer mail

Re: [Axiom-developer] aldor/axiom interoperability

2008-03-15 Thread Gregory Vanuxem
Le samedi 15 mars 2008 à 08:19 -0400, Bill Page a écrit : [...] > Maybe the problem with 'output' is a bug introduced by using FriCAS as > the version of Axiom. But I do not recall specifically if Greg ever > said exactly what version of Axiom he was using. Yes, I always speak of « my » version

Re: [Axiom-developer] aldor/axiom interoperability

2008-03-15 Thread Bill Page
On 15 Mar 2008 08:22:15 +0100, Martin Rubey wrote: > "Bill Page" writes: > > > On 3/14/08, Bill Page wrote: > > > On 3/13/08, Gregory Vanuxem wrote: > > > > ... > > > > The output is : > > > > > > > > Looking in OutputPackage() for ??349042727 with code 483270060 > > > > and an err

Re: [Axiom-developer] aldor/axiom interoperability

2008-03-15 Thread Gregory Vanuxem
Le vendredi 14 mars 2008 à 09:02 +0100, Martin Rubey a écrit : > Dear all, > > unfortunately, I'm also having (severe) problems. > > My setup is as follows: > > fricas rev 258 > [...] > --- > > I compiled FriCAS with

Re: [Axiom-developer] aldor/axiom interoperability

2008-03-15 Thread Gregory Vanuxem
Le vendredi 14 mars 2008 à 23:14 -0400, Bill Page a écrit : > Greg, > > On 3/14/08, I wrote: > > > > This problem seems to be related only the use of 'output' from inside > > an Aldor function: > > > > file: testoutput.as -- > > #include "axiom.as" > > #pile > > TestOutput: with

Re: [Axiom-developer] aldor/axiom interoperability

2008-03-15 Thread Gregory Vanuxem
Le vendredi 14 mars 2008 à 08:03 +, Peter Broadbery a écrit : > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 9:21 PM, Gregory Vanuxem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dear Peter, * > > > > I was waiting for your small Aldor patch and never see it. Did you send > > it somewhere ? The main concern of this mail is if

Re: [Axiom-developer] aldor/axiom interoperability

2008-03-15 Thread Martin Rubey
"Bill Page" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 3/14/08, Bill Page wrote: > > On 3/13/08, Gregory Vanuxem wrote: > > > ... > > > The output is : > > > > > > Looking in OutputPackage() for ??349042727 with code 483270060 > > > and an error message : "export not found" > > > > > > > > > As s

Re: [Axiom-developer] aldor/axiom interoperability

2008-03-14 Thread Bill Page
Greg, On 3/14/08, I wrote: > > This problem seems to be related only the use of 'output' from inside > an Aldor function: > > file: testoutput.as -- > #include "axiom.as" > #pile > TestOutput: with > testOutput: (Integer) -> Integer > == add >

Re: [Axiom-developer] aldor/axiom interoperability

2008-03-14 Thread Bill Page
On 3/14/08, Bill Page wrote: > On 3/13/08, Gregory Vanuxem wrote: > > ... > > The output is : > > > > Looking in OutputPackage() for ??349042727 with code 483270060 > > and an error message : "export not found" > > > > As shown at http://axiom-wiki.newsynthesis.org/SandBoxEcfact This

Re: [Axiom-developer] aldor/axiom interoperability

2008-03-14 Thread Bill Page
On 3/13/08, Gregory Vanuxem wrote: > ...The main concern of this mail is if you are able to > compile ecfact.as (attached) and _execute_ the > LenstraEllipticMethod(Integer) function. On my system > it fails, a bug somewhere. Am I alone with this issue ? > Martin ? I'm still using the old build pr

Re: [Axiom-developer] aldor/axiom interoperability

2008-03-14 Thread Bill Page
On 3/14/08, Waldek Hebisch wrote: > Bill Page wrote: Actually just to be clear: I only reported successfully using the modified hashcode routine that was originally posted to the list by Peter Broadbery without further explanation. Martin then presented this as the patch below. > Martin Rubey wro

Re: [Axiom-developer] aldor/axiom interoperability

2008-03-14 Thread Waldek Hebisch
Bill Page wrote: > Here it is: > > Index: src/interp/hashcode.boot > === > --- src/interp/hashcode.boot (Revision 183) > +++ src/interp/hashcode.boot (Arbeitskopie) > @@ -55,7 +55,7 @@ > hash := hashCombine(

Re: [Axiom-developer] aldor/axiom interoperability

2008-03-14 Thread Peter Broadbery
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 9:21 PM, Gregory Vanuxem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Peter, * > > I was waiting for your small Aldor patch and never see it. Did you send > it somewhere ? The main concern of this mail is if you are able to > compile ecfact.as (attached) and _execute_ the > Lenstra

Re: [Axiom-developer] aldor/axiom interoperability

2008-03-14 Thread Martin Rubey
Dear all, unfortunately, I'm also having (severe) problems. My setup is as follows: fricas rev 258 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/local/scratch/fricas$ svn diff Index: src/interp/hashcode.boot === --- src/interp/hashcode.boot(Revision 258)

Re: [Axiom-developer] aldor/axiom interoperability

2008-03-13 Thread Bill Page
On 3/13/08, Gregory Vanuxem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Peter, * > > I was waiting for your small Aldor patch and never see it. Did you send > it somewhere ? From: Martin Rubey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 17 Jan 2008 09:21:22 +0100 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Li

Re: [Axiom-developer] aldor/axiom interoperability

2008-03-13 Thread Gregory Vanuxem
Dear Peter, * I was waiting for your small Aldor patch and never see it. Did you send it somewhere ? The main concern of this mail is if you are able to compile ecfact.as (attached) and _execute_ the LenstraEllipticMethod(Integer) function. On my system it fails, a bug somewhere. Am I alone with t

Re: [Axiom-developer] aldor/axiom interoperability

2008-01-30 Thread Bill Page
On 1/30/08, Peter Broadbery wrote: > On Jan 30, 2008 2:18 PM, Bill Page wrote: > > Peter, > > > > Thanks for the explanation. > > > > Where can I find the source for 'RNS.spad'? > > > > > > I think you don't need it - the command is sufficient to load what's required. > Oh, ok. I think I see. You

Re: [Axiom-developer] aldor/axiom interoperability

2008-01-30 Thread Bill Page
Peter, Thanks for the explanation. Where can I find the source for 'RNS.spad'? Regards, Bill Page. On 1/30/08, Peter Broadbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 30, 2008 1:48 AM, Bill Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Peter, > > > > Thank you very much for sending the revised version of src

Re: [Axiom-developer] aldor/axiom interoperability

2008-01-29 Thread Bill Page
Peter, Thank you very much for sending the revised version of src_aldor3.tgz! I think eliminating the Java dependency is a very important thing if we are to eventually include this as an optional part of the Axiom/FriCAS/OpenAxiom build. I am trying to use your revised build system with OpenAxiom

Re: [Axiom-developer] aldor stream oddities

2007-08-13 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
On 08/11/2007 08:55 PM, Franz Lehner wrote: Now, in Axiom we should have a problem with saying that S is an additive group. That's true. All axioms are satisfied, except uniqueness of inverses and the neutral element. What should it be? A FuzzyAbelianGroup? Well, the problem is that we don't

Re: [Axiom-developer] aldor stream oddities

2007-08-11 Thread Franz Lehner
Now, in Axiom we should have a problem with saying that S is an additive group. That's true. All axioms are satisfied, except uniqueness of inverses and the neutral element. What should it be? A FuzzyAbelianGroup? (4) -> zero?(t-t) (4) false Type: Boolean I don't. Although zero

Re: [Axiom-developer] aldor stream oddities

2007-08-10 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
On 08/10/2007 10:20 AM, Franz Lehner wrote: On Fri, 10 Aug 2007, Bill Page wrote: What is a "sequence domain"? Can you give a brief explanation or a reference? see below On Fri, 10 Aug 2007, Martin Rubey wrote: Do you mean "potentially" infinite sequences of some ground ring, with componentwis

Re: [Axiom-developer] aldor stream oddities

2007-08-10 Thread Franz Lehner
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007, Bill Page wrote: What is a "sequence domain"? Can you give a brief explanation or a reference? see below On Fri, 10 Aug 2007, Martin Rubey wrote: Do you mean "potentially" infinite sequences of some ground ring, with componentwise addition and scalar multiplication? Exactl

Re: [Axiom-developer] aldor stream oddities

2007-08-09 Thread Martin Rubey
Franz Lehner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > dear all, > > > "The important thing is to escape the keyword generator by prefix with _." > thanks a lot for your quick replies and solutions. > I am trying to put together some functions to manipulate moment sequences and > got stuck constructing the z

Re: [Axiom-developer] aldor stream oddities

2007-08-09 Thread Bill Page
On 8/9/07, Franz Lehner wrote: > dear all, > > > "The important thing is to escape the keyword generator by prefix with _." > thanks a lot for your quick replies and solutions. > I am trying to put together some functions to manipulate moment sequences > and got stuck constructing the zero element.

Re: [Axiom-developer] aldor stream oddities

2007-08-09 Thread Franz Lehner
dear all, "The important thing is to escape the keyword generator by prefix with _." thanks a lot for your quick replies and solutions. I am trying to put together some functions to manipulate moment sequences and got stuck constructing the zero element. Am I right that there is no sequence do

Re: [Axiom-developer] aldor stream oddities

2007-08-09 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
Hello, I was about to finish my answer, (see below) but the "_"-trick is by far better. Ralf http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Franz, On 08/09/2007 04:07 PM, Franz Lehner wrote: > Hello, > > is there a way to get hold of generate$Stream using the aldor > compiler? I sp

Re: [Axiom-developer] aldor stream oddities

2007-08-09 Thread Bill Page
On 8/9/07, Franz Lehner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > is there a way to get hold of generate$Stream using the aldor compiler? > I spent quite some time until figuring out that generate is probably > a keyword in aldor (I could not check as the aldor site seems to be down) > and this cause

Re: [Axiom-developer] aldor stream oddities

2007-08-09 Thread Martin Rubey
Franz Lehner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > is there a way to get hold of generate$Stream using the aldor compiler? Not easily, because: > I spent quite some time until figuring out that generate is probably > a keyword in aldor yes it is. I wrote the following hack to be able to coerce Aldor

Re: [Axiom-developer] Aldor extend usable in Axiom???

2006-11-27 Thread Peter Broadbery
On Mon, 2006-11-27 at 12:21 +0100, Ralf wrote: > Hello, > > I am quite a bit frustrated. > > It is clearly not a problem (up to something I have not yet looked into) > to extend existing Axiom domains from libaxiom.al via some .as files. > The question now is: How do I use them? > > Try > > #

Re: [Axiom-developer] Aldor compilation for Axiom

2006-11-06 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
Hello Bill, Thanks a lot for your answer. On 11/06/2006 03:37 AM, Bill Page wrote: On November 5, 2006 7:31 PM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: could someone tell me what ")compile blah.as" is actually doing in Axiom? It is certainly more than saying aldor -O -Fasy -Fao -Flsp -laxiom -Mno-AXL_W_WillObs

Re: [Axiom-developer] Aldor compilation for Axiom

2006-11-05 Thread Martin Rubey
Ralf Hemmecke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hello, > > could someone tell me what ")compile blah.as" is actually doing in Axiom? > > It is certainly more than saying > > aldor -O -Fasy -Fao -Flsp -laxiom -Mno-AXL_W_WillObsolete -DAxiom -Y > $AXIOM/algebra blah.as > > (without having an Axiom s

RE: [Axiom-developer] Aldor compilation for Axiom

2006-11-05 Thread Bill Page
On November 5, 2006 7:31 PM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > > could someone tell me what ")compile blah.as" is actually > doing in Axiom? > > It is certainly more than saying > > aldor -O -Fasy -Fao -Flsp -laxiom -Mno-AXL_W_WillObsolete -DAxiom -Y > $AXIOM/algebra blah.as > > (without having an Axiom

Re: [Axiom-developer] Aldor extend for extending Axiom code

2006-10-21 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
The second restriction is more severe. In fact, I think it's a show stopper. The current signature of Plus is Plus( F: (T: LabelType) -> CombinatorialSpecies(T), G: (T: LabelType) -> CombinatorialSpecies(T) )(L: LabelType): CombinatorialSpecies(L) == add { ... } Although this compiles an

Re: [Axiom-developer] Aldor extend for extending Axiom code

2006-10-21 Thread Martin Rubey
I just checked in the first attempt to an axiom-port of aldor-combinat. Unfortunately, we won't get anywhere with the current abilities of axiom and the aldor interface. Meanwhile, we would need both "extend" and dependent types to work. Details: We define LabelType as follows: (the types from l

Re: [Axiom-developer] Aldor and Axiom - alternatives?

2006-09-14 Thread Gabriel Dos Reis
Cliff Yapp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | On Wednesday 13 September 2006 11:56 pm, Page, Bill wrote: | | > I think that this is so far past our current skill level and | > the available resources that there is virtually no chance that | > this will ever be anything but a paper exercise. | | I thi

Re: [Axiom-developer] Aldor and Axiom - alternatives?

2006-09-14 Thread Cliff Yapp
On Wednesday 13 September 2006 11:56 pm, Page, Bill wrote: > I think that this is so far past our current skill level and > the available resources that there is virtually no chance that > this will ever be anything but a paper exercise. I think it MIGHT be possible for us to make SPAD support th

Re: [Axiom-developer] Aldor and Axiom

2006-09-14 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
We should focus on either SPAD (make it better) or Aldor (hopeless). Gaby, you should have replaced 'better' by 'Aldor' (language). ;-) Ralf ___ Axiom-developer mailing list Axiom-developer@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-d

Re: [Axiom-developer] Aldor and Axiom

2006-09-14 Thread Gabriel Dos Reis
Martin Rubey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Dear all, | | I believe that we should *not* embark on designing yet another language. I | played enough with Aldor meanwhile to really appreciate the language - with | it's deficiencies. | | Those of you inclined on working on the language: | | PLEASE

Re: [Axiom-developer] Aldor and Axiom

2006-09-14 Thread Martin Rubey
Dear all, I believe that we should *not* embark on designing yet another language. I played enough with Aldor meanwhile to really appreciate the language - with it's deficiencies. Those of you inclined on working on the language: PLEASE get started understanding the interpreter and possibly exte

RE: [Axiom-developer] Aldor and Axiom (was: SVN on sourceforge)

2006-09-14 Thread C Y
--- "Page, Bill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:46 PM Cliff Yapp wrote: > > > ... > > [no Aldor open source license] > > This of course does not mean that we cannot learn from and > > use the ideas in Aldor - merely that we must take our SPAD > > beginnings and

RE: [Axiom-developer] Aldor and Axiom (was: SVN on sourceforge)

2006-09-13 Thread Page, Bill
On Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:46 PM Cliff Yapp wrote: > ... > [no Aldor open source license] > This of course does not mean that we cannot learn from and > use the ideas in Aldor - merely that we must take our SPAD > beginnings and build them up into something better. > > If we must do th

Re: [Axiom-developer] Aldor translations

2006-07-27 Thread C Y
Sorry, my bad - I should have started a new thread. CY --- root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > wow, we've really wandered off the question. i thought we were > discussing > the question of how to implement a reflection domain that could > figure out > things about domains. --t > ___

RE: [Axiom-developer] Aldor translations

2006-07-27 Thread Page, Bill
On July 27, 2006 11:37 AM C Y wrote: > > Axiom's core is currently based on Lisp, and I personally > think this is a Good Thing. I agree. I do not see any reason to want to replace the current run-time environment of Axiom with anything else. Axiom's algebra library depends strongly on the S-ex

Re: [Axiom-developer] Aldor translations

2006-07-27 Thread root
wow, we've really wandered off the question. i thought we were discussing the question of how to implement a reflection domain that could figure out things about domains. --t ___ Axiom-developer mailing list Axiom-developer@nongnu.org http://lists.nongn

Re: [Axiom-developer] Aldor translations

2006-07-27 Thread Antoine Hersen
> > I might mention that the lisp output would be significantly easier> > to parse and maintain. >> Are you saying that aldor should not be translated to C or Fortran> or whatever other target there will be in the future?A point which is probably orthogonal to this discussion but issomething to con

Re: [Axiom-developer] Aldor download?

2006-02-09 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
Yes, me. It seems, there is something wrong with the website. Ralf On 02/08/2006 08:30 PM, C Y wrote: Anybody else having trouble downloading the linux version of Aldor? CY ___ Axiom-developer mailing list Axiom-developer@nongnu.org http://lists.n

RE: [Axiom-developer] Aldor?

2006-01-19 Thread Bill Page
On January 19, 2006 3:23 PM Jay Belanger wrote: > > Bill Page previously wrote: > > The Axiom website is a wiki (user editable), so it would be very > > easy to add a page consisting of the petition to Free Aldor. We > > could freeze the text and then readers could "sign" it by simply > > adding a

Re: [Axiom-developer] Aldor?

2006-01-19 Thread C Y
--- Jay Belanger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Okay; that's done, and there's a FreeAldor page. Added my name (forgot to sign in though - opps). > It wasn't a server error and there wasn't an error message. > My browser simply kept trying without success. (I use > Firefox; the wheel thing in t

Re: [Axiom-developer] Aldor?

2006-01-19 Thread Jay Belanger
"Bill Page" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: ... > I suggest you first create a link such as [Free Aldor] in a > short into paragraph by editing the following page: > > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomCommunity Okay; that's done, and there's a FreeAldor page. You previously wrote > The Axiom webs

RE: [Axiom-developer] Aldor?

2006-01-19 Thread Bill Page
On January 19, 2006 8:40 AM Jay Belanger wrote: > > Jay Belanger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > ... > > Tonight I'll either post it (if I can figure it out) or ask > > you for help (if I can't). > I suggest you first create a link such as [Free Aldor] in a short into paragraph by editing the foll

Re: [Axiom-developer] Aldor?

2006-01-19 Thread Jay Belanger
Jay Belanger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: ... > Tonight I'll either post it (if I can figure it out) or ask you for > help (if I can't). I couldn't get through to the web site last night; I'll try again later. Jay ___ Axiom-developer mailing list Axi

Re: [Axiom-developer] Aldor?

2006-01-18 Thread Jay Belanger
"Page, Bill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Jay, > > Were you still planning on posting this "petition" on the > Axiom Wiki website? I think it is fine except for a couple > of typos and a few suggested changes in wording that I > point out below. Thanks for the fixes; I didn't want to post it wit

RE: [Axiom-developer] Aldor?

2006-01-17 Thread Page, Bill
Jay, Were you still planning on posting this "petition" on the Axiom Wiki website? I think it is fine except for a couple of typos and a few suggested changes in wording that I point out below. Perhaps Tim Daly might like to comment on some of the specific details in your proposed letter? If you

RE: [Axiom-developer] Aldor?

2006-01-14 Thread Karl Hegbloom
I went on-line trying to locate information about Aldor, and came across this, via Google: http://www.cs.kent.ac.uk/pubs/1999/894/ www.algor.org is not responding. Does anyone know why? -- Karl Hegbloom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ Axiom-developer m

Re: [Axiom-developer] Aldor?

2006-01-13 Thread Jay Belanger
"Bill Page" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On January 13, 2006 12:06 PM Jay Belanger wrote: >> ... >> So that any potential signers could get a quick grasp of the >> situation, a little history might be useful. What about >> something like: > > Thanks for the draft. I think it is very good. I hav

RE: [Axiom-developer] Aldor?

2006-01-13 Thread Bill Page
On January 13, 2006 12:06 PM Jay Belanger wrote: > ... > So that any potential signers could get a quick grasp of the > situation, a little history might be useful. What about > something like: Thanks for the draft. I think it is very good. I have inserted a few explanations below. I will leave

Re: [Axiom-developer] Aldor?

2006-01-13 Thread Jay Belanger
"Bill Page" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: ... > I would be very glad if you could write something. So that any potential signers could get a quick grasp of the situation, a little history might be useful. What about something like: Axiom is a sophisticated computer algebra system originally

Re: [Axiom-developer] Aldor?

2006-01-13 Thread Jay Belanger
Frederic Lehobey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: ... >> Yes! Please write to Steven Watt. I think it would definitely >> help if it is clear to Steven that many people would like to >> have Aldor open source. Maybe what we need is a kind of >> "petition" that people could "sign" and email to him. I fe

RE: [Axiom-developer] Aldor?

2006-01-12 Thread Bill Page
On January 12, 2006 6:31 PM Doug Stewart wrote: > > I live in London near the uwo. Is there any point in me going > to see him? Sure, why not? I expect you would find such a meeting very interesting. > > If I did set up an appointment what would you want me to say > to him? Hmmm, maybe: "When

RE: [Axiom-developer] Aldor?

2006-01-12 Thread Bill Page
On January 12, 2006 6:41 PM Frederic Lehobey wrote: > > "Bill Page" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > ... > > > > Yes! Please write to Steven Watt. I think it would definitely > > help if it is clear to Steven that many people would like to > > have Aldor open source. Maybe what we need is a kind of >

Re: [Axiom-developer] Aldor?

2006-01-12 Thread C Y
--- Frederic Lehobey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am very sad for people from the Axiom community to give > such a message as `we have such a good free software that > we are willing to drop it for an other replacement, please > open source this possible substitute'. Aldor is a conceptual hei

Re: [Axiom-developer] Aldor?

2006-01-12 Thread Frederic Lehobey
Hi, On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 01:57:37PM -0500, Bill Page wrote: > On January 12, 2006 11:39 AM Jay Belanger wrote: > > > > "Bill Page" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > ... > > > > > > Please write to Steven Watt at > > > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > and ask him. > > > > Would it help to

Re: [Axiom-developer] Aldor?

2006-01-12 Thread Doug Stewart
I live in London near the uwo. Is there any point in me going to see him? If I did set up an appointment what would you want me to say to him? Doug Stewart P.Eng. UWO Graduate ___ Axiom-developer mailing list Axiom-developer@nongnu.org http://list

RE: [Axiom-developer] Aldor?

2006-01-12 Thread C Y
--- Bill Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Please write to Steven Watt at > > > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > and ask him. Well, I sent him an email (I think - tried the address on his university website for variety). > > Would it help to have more people write? > > Yes! Please wr

RE: [Axiom-developer] Aldor?

2006-01-12 Thread Bill Page
On > Sent: January 12, 2006 4:19 PM Karl Hegbloom wrote: > > On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 13:57 -0500, Bill Page wrote: > > ... Maybe what we need is a kind of "petition" that people > > could "sign" and email to him. I fear that perhaps Steven > > does not take my claims that this is desired by many peo

RE: [Axiom-developer] Aldor?

2006-01-12 Thread Bill Page
On January 12, 2006 2:49 PM Jay Belanger wrote: > ... > "Bill Page" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I think it would definitely help if it is clear to Steven that many > > people would like to have Aldor open source. Maybe what we need is a > > kind of "petition" that people could "sign" and email

RE: [Axiom-developer] Aldor?

2006-01-12 Thread Karl Hegbloom
On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 13:57 -0500, Bill Page wrote: > Yes! Please write to Steven Watt. I think it would definitely > help if it is clear to Steven that many people would like to > have Aldor open source. Maybe what we need is a kind of > "petition" that people could "sign" and email to him. I fear

RE: [Axiom-developer] Aldor?

2006-01-12 Thread Bill Page
On January 12, 2006 11:39 AM Jay Belanger wrote: > > "Bill Page" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > ... > > > > Please write to Steven Watt at > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > and ask him. > > Would it help to have more people write? Yes! Please write to Steven Watt. I think it would definitely h

Re: [Axiom-developer] Aldor?

2006-01-12 Thread Jay Belanger
"Bill Page" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: ... > Yes! Please write to Steven Watt. Done. > I think it would definitely help if it is clear to Steven that many > people would like to have Aldor open source. Maybe what we need is a > kind of "petition" that people could "sign" and email to him. I fea

Re: [Axiom-developer] Aldor?

2006-01-12 Thread Jay Belanger
"Bill Page" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: ... >> Hey all - been a bit quiet lately :-). I was wondering, has >> anybody heard anything new on the status of Aldor? >> > > No... and it is quite discouraging. > > Please write to Steven Watt at > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > and ask him. Would it help t

RE: [Axiom-developer] Aldor?

2006-01-11 Thread Bill Page
Clifford, On January 11, 2006 12:16 PM you wrote: > > Hey all - been a bit quiet lately :-). I was wondering, has > anybody heard anything new on the status of Aldor? > No... and it is quite discouraging. Please write to Steven Watt at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and ask him. There must be some way

RE: [Axiom-developer] Aldor and Lisp

2005-10-23 Thread C Y
--- Bill Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On October 23, 2005 2:51 PM C Y wrote: > > > > So the way things are organized is SPAD built on BOOT built > > on Lisp? And the core reason for this is that BOOT makes it > > much easier to build SPAD than building it in straight Lisp > > would be? >

RE: [Axiom-developer] Aldor and Lisp

2005-10-23 Thread Bill Page
On October 23, 2005 2:51 PM C Y wrote: > > --- Bill Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I am sorry Clifford but your question strikes me as > > very peculiar. > > Sorry, I didn't mean to offend - clearly I'm missing > something fundamental. > > > As I said, I thought this was obvious. >

RE: [Axiom-developer] Aldor and Lisp

2005-10-23 Thread C Y
--- Bill Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is this still true? I have heard a couple variations > > of the BOOT/Lisp story, but I haven't heard there was > > a consensus that the look and feel of Lisp should be > > avoided. > > I am sorry Clifford but your question strikes me as very > pecul

RE: [Axiom-developer] Aldor and Lisp

2005-10-22 Thread Bill Page
On October 22, 2005 7:12 PM C Y wrote: > > --- Bill Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Contrary to some people, I think BOOT was and still > > is very important in the overall design of Axiom. You > > can see everywhere examples of how the language in > > which something is written affects th

Re: [Axiom-developer] Aldor and Lisp

2005-10-22 Thread root
A bit of history (Please note that this is NOT a criticism of either Dick Jenks or Bill Burge, both of whom rank among the best people I've ever met in this business. Dick was like a father to me on the Scratchpad project. I'm the opinionated, stubborn son(-of-a-bitch) in this story) Boot gre

RE: [Axiom-developer] Aldor and Lisp

2005-10-22 Thread C Y
--- Bill Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Contrary to some people, I think BOOT was and still > is very important in the overall design of Axiom. You > can see everywhere examples of how the language in > which something is written affects the look and feel > of things written in that language.

RE: [Axiom-developer] Aldor and Lisp

2005-10-22 Thread Weiss, Juergen
> -Original Message- > From: Bill Page [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 3:53 AM > To: Weiss, Juergen > Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org > Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] Aldor and Lisp > > On October 21, 2005 2:08 PM Juergen Weiss wrote

RE: [Axiom-developer] Aldor and Lisp

2005-10-21 Thread Bill Page
On October 21, 2005 2:08 PM Juergen Weiss wrote: > > In my opinion, a drawback of the current > implementation of AXIOM in BOOT/LISP is, > that BOOT/LISP does not easily allow the use of > typed variables (defstruct). In more modern > lisp programming lists are out, defstruct > is in (if we forge

RE: [Axiom-developer] Aldor and Lisp

2005-10-21 Thread Weiss, Juergen
-26407 > -Original Message- > From: Bill Page [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 7:37 PM > To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org > Cc: Weiss, Juergen > Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] Aldor and Lisp > > On October 21, 2005 5:43 AM Juergen Weiss w

Re: [Axiom-developer] Aldor and Lisp

2005-10-21 Thread root
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RE: [Axiom-developer] Aldor and Lisp

2005-10-21 Thread Bill Page
On October 21, 2005 5:43 AM Juergen Weiss wrote: > ... > [about Aldor] > I think, there had been an attempt for a reimplementation > in Lisp/Boot before. > > Why they decided to reimplement in C and not in Lisp > I do not know. > I wouldn't want to start a "language war" or anything, but serio

RE: [Axiom-developer] Aldor and Lisp

2005-10-21 Thread Weiss, Juergen
Hi, "as someone who shared his office for a few years with Knut Wolf, who had been working for about a year on A# (aldor), I can say" ;-) : The old code was difficult to maintain. There was (is) litte documentation. The error messages of the compiler are not really very helpful. Errors in the co

Re: [Axiom-developer] Aldor and Lisp

2005-10-20 Thread Christian Aistleitner
Hello, great that you pop in -- you are not at RISC-Linz anymore, are you? currently, i am still at RISC. > I wrote that parser almost 1.5 years ago (I guess). I still have it on some > Backup if someone is interested. It was implemented in Aldor. I could parse > all source files I te

Re: [Axiom-developer] Aldor and Lisp

2005-10-20 Thread Christian Aistleitner
Hello, [Aldor Parser in Aldor] An Aldor parser written in Aldor?! I did not receive the rest of the background of this email, but it certainly sounds interesting. Could you forward a copy to the email list? i do not want to mess up the mailing list with public posting of binary files. Howev

RE: [Axiom-developer] Aldor and Lisp

2005-10-20 Thread Martin Rubey
Page, Bill writes: > On Wednesday, October 19, 2005 4:40 AM Martin Rubey wrote: > > > > It is notable I think, that the original Axiom developers chose to > > > > re-implement SPAD as Aldor (written in C) rather than continue to make > > > > improvements to SPAD. > > I'm absolutely certain t

Re: [Axiom-developer] Aldor and Lisp

2005-10-19 Thread Gabriel Dos Reis
"Page, Bill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | On Wednesday, October 19, 2005 1:09 AM Gaby wrote: | > | > My current work on designing and implementing a general, | > efficient, scalable, complete representation of ISO C++ (with | > concepts) in C++ has led me to look at the materials on proof | > te

RE: [Axiom-developer] Aldor and Lisp

2005-10-19 Thread Page, Bill
On Wednesday, October 19, 2005 1:09 AM Gaby wrote: > > My current work on designing and implementing a general, > efficient, scalable, complete representation of ISO C++ (with > concepts) in C++ has led me to look at the materials on proof > techniques in Axiom. I've read claims that Type:Type is

RE: [Axiom-developer] Aldor and Lisp

2005-10-19 Thread Page, Bill
On Wednesday, October 19, 2005 5:02 AM Martin Rubey wrote: > > Christian Aistleitner writes: > > > I wrote that parser almost 1.5 years ago (I guess). I still > > have it on some Backup if someone is interested. It was > > implemented in Aldor. I could parse all source files I tested. An Aldor p

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