Re: Axis2: releases page missing 0.92

2005-09-30 Thread Eran Chinthaka
Fixed the link. Sorry I have fixed that in my local machine but has forgotten to commit that. Davanum Srinivas wrote: we need to fix it...here's the correct url: http://ws.apache.org/axis2/download.cgi thanks, dims On 9/29/05, Simon Fell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: on http://ws

Re: Axis2: releases page missing 0.92

2005-09-30 Thread Steve Loughran
Simon Fell wrote: on http://ws.apache.org/axis2/ the download now, and download it links for the 0.92 release take you to http://ws.apache.org/axis2/releases.html which only has 0.9 & 0.91. Cheers Simon Given that you are on the mail list, can I add feature reqs to your tcptrace/proxytrace a

[jira] Commented: (AXIS2-249) Exessive number & size of files generated from WSDL

2005-09-30 Thread Steve Loughran (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AXIS2-249?page=comments#action_12330918 ] Steve Loughran commented on AXIS2-249: -- XMLBeans does go overboard in generation +1 to a lightweight Xom binding :) > Exessive number & size of files generated from WSDL

[jira] Created: (AXIS-2242) CommonsHTTPSender + Axis 1.2.1 generates garbage in SOAP xml

2005-09-30 Thread Nils-Helge Garli (JIRA)
CommonsHTTPSender + Axis 1.2.1 generates garbage in SOAP xml Key: AXIS-2242 URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AXIS-2242 Project: Apache Axis Type: Bug Versions: 1.2, 1.2.1 Environment: winn

[jira] Commented: (AXIS-2242) CommonsHTTPSender + Axis 1.2.1 generates garbage in SOAP xml

2005-09-30 Thread Oleg Kalnichevski (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AXIS-2242?page=comments#action_12330922 ] Oleg Kalnichevski commented on AXIS-2242: - I suspect what you see is the chunk header, which is perfectly valid assuming the chunk encoding is being used. If you attach

[jira] Commented: (AXIS-2242) CommonsHTTPSender + Axis 1.2.1 generates garbage in SOAP xml

2005-09-30 Thread Nils-Helge Garli (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AXIS-2242?page=comments#action_12330923 ] Nils-Helge Garli commented on AXIS-2242: DEBUG httpclient.wire.header - >> "POST /SomeSoapService/service HTTP/1.1[\r][\n]" DEBUG httpclient.wire.header - >> "Content

[jira] Commented: (AXIS-2242) CommonsHTTPSender + Axis 1.2.1 generates garbage in SOAP xml

2005-09-30 Thread Oleg Kalnichevski (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AXIS-2242?page=comments#action_12330925 ] Oleg Kalnichevski commented on AXIS-2242: - > DEBUG httpclient.wire.header - >> "Transfer-Encoding: chunked[\r][\n]" Here you go. The request appears to be perfectly we

[jira] Commented: (AXIS-2242) CommonsHTTPSender + Axis 1.2.1 generates garbage in SOAP xml

2005-09-30 Thread Nils-Helge Garli (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AXIS-2242?page=comments#action_12330927 ] Nils-Helge Garli commented on AXIS-2242: No, but I'll check that out. Is there a way I can change the transfer encoding with Axis? Thank you for your assistance! > C

[jira] Commented: (AXIS-2242) CommonsHTTPSender + Axis 1.2.1 generates garbage in SOAP xml

2005-09-30 Thread Oleg Kalnichevski (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AXIS-2242?page=comments#action_12330935 ] Oleg Kalnichevski commented on AXIS-2242: - I have to plead complete ignorance about Axis, so I leave this report to Axis folks to pick up. As far as HttpClient is conce

[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Project ws-axis-xerces-HEAD (in module ws-axis) failed

2005-09-30 Thread Davanum Srinivas
To whom it may engage... This is an automated request, but not an unsolicited one. For more information please visit http://gump.apache.org/nagged.html, and/or contact the folk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Project ws-axis-xerces-HEAD has an issue affecting its community integration. This issue

[jira] Commented: (AXIS-2242) CommonsHTTPSender + Axis 1.2.1 generates garbage in SOAP xml

2005-09-30 Thread Steve Loughran (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AXIS-2242?page=comments#action_12330936 ] Steve Loughran commented on AXIS-2242: -- Can I add that the POST request clearly says "HTTP/1.1", and the HTTP1.1 spec cleary says All HTTP/1.1 applications MUST be abl

[jira] Commented: (AXIS2-242) A client side handler in the response(in) flow cannot access the request(out) message context

2005-09-30 Thread Ruchith Udayanga Fernando (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AXIS2-242?page=comments#action_12330937 ] Ruchith Udayanga Fernando commented on AXIS2-242: - Fixed this problem for the blocking case. Several instances of msgContext.setOperationContext(operationContext

Re: [jira] Updated: (AXIS2-249) Exessive number & size of files generated from WSDL

2005-09-30 Thread Sanjiva Weerawarana
On Thu, 2005-09-29 at 22:33 -0700, Simon Fell wrote: > Other fun facts & figures, the axis binary download weights in at > 33Mb, compared to 24Mb for the entire .NET 1.1 runtime installer. That's absolutely pathetic and unacceptable :(. So let's start pairing this down: - let's move the security

Re: [jira] Updated: (AXIS2-249) Exessive number & size of files generated from WSDL

2005-09-30 Thread Ruchith Fernando
Hi All, On 9/30/05, Sanjiva Weerawarana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2005-09-29 at 22:33 -0700, Simon Fell wrote: > > Other fun facts & figures, the axis binary download weights in at > > 33Mb, compared to 24Mb for the entire .NET 1.1 runtime installer. > > That's absolutely pathetic and u

Re: [Axis2] Web admin changes

2005-09-30 Thread Deepal Jayasinghe
done Thanks, Deepal ~Future is Open~ - Original Message - From: "Chamil Thanthrimudalige" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 10:38 AM Subject: [Axis2] Web admin changes hi, I have done some ch

Re: [AXIS2] Module in the chains??

2005-09-30 Thread Ruchith Fernando
Hi, Please see my comments below: On 9/29/05, vikas kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks ruchit for the comments.. > But i have a few more doubts.. > There is only one instance of the handler and module implementaion classes, > is there only one instance of the chain too?? Yes there's only on

[jira] Created: (AXIS2-250) Extracting WS-Addressing properties (E.g. Action) form WSDL

2005-09-30 Thread Ruchith Udayanga Fernando (JIRA)
Extracting WS-Addressing properties (E.g. Action) form WSDL --- Key: AXIS2-250 URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AXIS2-250 Project: Apache Axis 2.0 (Axis2) Type: Improvement Components: wsdl Repo

[Axis2] Release Strategy

2005-09-30 Thread robert burrell donkin
I'd glad that the team decided to release the last cut as 0.9.2 rather than 1.0 Alpha and I'd like to explain my reasons in a little more depth (now that the release is cut). I think everyone appreciates the efforts that have been put into get this far. IMHO Axis2 0.9.2 is a more appropriate desc

Re: [Axis2] Release Strategy

2005-09-30 Thread Steve Loughran
robert burrell donkin wrote: I'd glad that the team decided to release the last cut as 0.9.2 rather than 1.0 Alpha and I'd like to explain my reasons in a little more depth (now that the release is cut). I think everyone appreciates the efforts that have been put into get this far. IMHO Axis2 0.

Re: [Axis2][Java->XML Tool] mapping view

2005-09-30 Thread Mark Hansen
will this eventually be part of betwixt? robert burrell donkin wrote: it seems to have gone a little quiet but i have been working on fleshing out some of the ideas for the mapping view discussed earlier. i've pulling some ideas together here http://people.apache.org/~rdonkin/tool (mapping1.htm

[Axis2] proxy client

2005-09-30 Thread Steve Loughran
Is it my imagination, or is proxy support in CommonsHttpTransport still a todo item :(

Is this a Axis 1.2.1 bug?

2005-09-30 Thread Dhange, Himmatsinh
Hi,   I am using axis 1.2.1 to create the client proxy code for .NET Web Service using WSDL2Java tool.   All the classes and methods get created correctly except for the following request.              

Re: [Axis2] proxy client

2005-09-30 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Yep!!! http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AXIS2-153 On 9/30/05, Steve Loughran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is it my imagination, or is proxy support in CommonsHttpTransport still > a todo item :( > -- Davanum Srinivas : http://wso2.com/ - Oxygenating The Web Service Platform

Re: [Axis2] Release Strategy

2005-09-30 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Key phrase is -- "until Axis2 is feature complete". Eran keeps asking for feedback and don't get any :( Could you please help put together the features list? Get OK's from everyone? thanks, dims On 9/30/05, robert burrell donkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd glad that the team de

[Axis2] WS-SNAFU - That hurts!!

2005-09-30 Thread Davanum Srinivas
FYI, http://www.pocketsoap.com/weblog/2005/09/1562.html Now does everyone feel better that we used 0.9.2 instead of 1.0 Alpha :) -- dims -- Davanum Srinivas : http://wso2.com/ - Oxygenating The Web Service Platform

[jira] Resolved: (AXIS2-248) WSDL with headers generates uncompilable code

2005-09-30 Thread Ruchith Udayanga Fernando (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AXIS2-248?page=all ] Ruchith Udayanga Fernando resolved AXIS2-248: - Resolution: Fixed Fixed > WSDL with headers generates uncompilable code > - > >

RE: [jira] Updated: (AXIS2-249) Exessive number & size of filesgenerated from WSDL

2005-09-30 Thread Tom Jordahl
+1 on breaking out the war and binary download and slimming down the kit. I would like to keep WS-Security support in the primary Axis2 distro. I think it is very valuable to have this support 'out of the box' as a selling point for Axis, similar to its support of WS-Addressing. -- Tom Jordahl M

Re: [Axis2] Small mistake in Axis 2 Architecture Guide

2005-09-30 Thread Ruchith Fernando
Thanks Jaliya Fixed it. Can someone update the site On 9/29/05, Jaliya Ekanayake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > I found that we have used Call and MessageSender in wrong places under the > Client API section of the Architecture Guide. > > Under the client AP-> One-way Messaging Support >

RE: [Axis2] Release Strategy

2005-09-30 Thread Tom Jordahl
Dims wrote: > Key phrase is -- "until Axis2 is feature complete". Eran > keeps asking for feedback and don't get any :( I gave him some (full WSDL 2.0 support)! :-) I didn't say he (or Sanjiva) liked it. I would also like to see: - native databinding support - rpc/encoded client su

Re: [Axis2] Release Strategy

2005-09-30 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Tom, Was talking about everyone else :) We need to come up with a consolidated list and negotiate on what we can do and when :) Seriously, WSDL2.0 is not on my plate for 1.0 release. because Woden is not ready. their next milestone is in november. Unless you can help them push it along we can't d

RE: [jira] Commented: (AXIS2-249) Exessive number & size of files generated from WSDL

2005-09-30 Thread Simon Fell
Yes, there's a lot of schema, this is a real world service that handles millions of requests a day, not some hello world sample. It seems incredable to me, that you need to generate 20x more files than Axis 1.1, yet its considered acceptible, Am I the only one that thinks this is completely out of

RE: [Axis2] Release Strategy

2005-09-30 Thread Simon Fell
The HTTP transport should support everything in the Axis 1.1 transport, including proxies, gzip, ntlm auth etc. -Original Message- From: Davanum Srinivas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 7:24 AM To: axis-dev@ws.apache.org; robert burrell donkin Subject: Re: [Axis

RE: [Axis2] WS-SNAFU - That hurts!!

2005-09-30 Thread Simon Fell
I hope everyone spots the smilly in my blog post. But first impressions count for a lot, and frankly my first impression of Axis2 wasn't good. A) the download links for 0.92 on the main axis2 site took you to a page which didn't mention 0.92 B) the release notes in 0.92 say it's 0.91 C) was shock

RE: [jira] Commented: (AXIS2-249) Exessive number & size of files generated from WSDL

2005-09-30 Thread Tom Jordahl
Simon Fell wrote: > It seems incredable to me, that you need to generate 20x more files than > Axis 1.1, yet its considered acceptible, Am I the only one that thinks > this is completely out of control ? Nope. -- Tom Jordahl Macromedia Server Development

[jira] Created: (AXIS2-251) XML comments in transmitted documents cause ClassCastExceptions

2005-09-30 Thread Yves Langisch (JIRA)
XML comments in transmitted documents cause ClassCastExceptions --- Key: AXIS2-251 URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AXIS2-251 Project: Apache Axis 2.0 (Axis2) Type: Bug Components: databinding

[jira] Created: (AXIS2-252) OMNode, OMDocument use OMOutputImpl - violating package encapsulation

2005-09-30 Thread Eric Johnson (JIRA)
OMNode, OMDocument use OMOutputImpl - violating package encapsulation - Key: AXIS2-252 URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AXIS2-252 Project: Apache Axis 2.0 (Axis2) Type: Improvement Compone

Re: [Axis2] WS-SNAFU - That hurts!!

2005-09-30 Thread Davanum Srinivas
/me takes responsibility :) Fixed A,B,D. C is in progress. -- dims On 9/30/05, Simon Fell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I hope everyone spots the smilly in my blog post. > > But first impressions count for a lot, and frankly my first impression > of Axis2 wasn't good. > > A) the download links fo

Re: [jira] Commented: (AXIS2-249) Exessive number & size of files generated from WSDL

2005-09-30 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Me Neither. We need to fix it. -- dims On 9/30/05, Tom Jordahl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Simon Fell wrote: > > It seems incredable to me, that you need to generate 20x more files > than > > Axis 1.1, yet its considered acceptible, Am I the only one that thinks > > this is completely out of con

Re: [Axis2] Release Strategy

2005-09-30 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Yep. We have a JIRA issue open for that. -- dims On 9/30/05, Simon Fell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The HTTP transport should support everything in the Axis 1.1 transport, > including proxies, gzip, ntlm auth etc. > > -Original Message- > From: Davanum Srinivas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Axis2] Two OM questions - serialize with cache and "optimize".

2005-09-30 Thread Eric Johnson
I've got two OM questions at the moment: 1) What the heck does "OMNode.serializeWithCache()" mean? How is it different from "OMNode.serialize()"? I was hoping to put some Javadoc on the function(s) but couldn't figure out from inspection what the substantive difference was. 2) What is the

Re: [Axis2] Two OM questions - serialize with cache and "optimize".

2005-09-30 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Hehehe...i asked the same question #1 last week when i met Eran in Synapse F2F. Eran, Please check if my understanding below is correct. Suppose you are building an om structure by reading stuff from a stream and you are half-way through it you want to serialize everything (including the stuff for

Re: [Axis2] Two OM questions - serialize with cache and "optimize".

2005-09-30 Thread Thilina Gunarathne
Hi, I'm not the best person to answer 1. So I'll be leaving it out. Regarding 2 An OMText can be used to hold binary data. (isBinary flag is used to track this).  A MTOM message can contain Base64 encoded strings together with MTOM optimised parts.Binary data stored in OMText can be serialised

Re: [Axis2] Feedback on handlers and services

2005-09-30 Thread Srinath Perera
As far as I understood you need the transaction handlers to be get called by the same thread that will call the Service impl. I think you are safe ..in Axis2 the Service impl is called by component called a Message Receiver .. there could be Sync or Async. If you use the Sync one (which is the de

Re: [Axis2] Two OM questions - serialize with cache and "optimize".

2005-09-30 Thread Ruchith Fernando
Hi, Please see my comments below: On 9/30/05, Eric Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've got two OM questions at the moment: > > 1) What the heck does "OMNode.serializeWithCache()" mean? How is it > different from "OMNode.serialize()"? I was hoping to put some Javadoc > on the function(s) b

[jira] Created: (AXIS2-253) AbstractTransportSender uses the HTTPTransportUtils to check for MTOM optimizing of a message

2005-09-30 Thread Ruchith Udayanga Fernando (JIRA)
AbstractTransportSender uses the HTTPTransportUtils to check for MTOM optimizing of a message - Key: AXIS2-253 URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AXIS2-253 Project: Apache Axi

Re: [Axis2] Two OM questions - serialize with cache and "optimize".

2005-09-30 Thread Eric Johnson
Ruchith Fernando wrote: On 9/30/05, Eric Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 2) What is the OMText "optimized" property? It is never set via "setOptimized", and never inspected via "isOptimized." I'm guessing that this was meant to be the "optimized" part of MTOM, but since it is never set

Re: [Axis2] Two OM questions - serialize with cache and "optimize".

2005-09-30 Thread Eric Johnson
Thanks for the response. That seems weird, though. That means if you call the serialize function (without the cache), the OMDocument can effectively be corrupted. I found myself putting this comment on OMDocument.serialize() * Caution: Serializing without caching means that any portion o

Re: Clean up (Re: svn commit: r292607 - in /webservices/axis2/trunk/java/modules: addressing/src/org/apache/axis2/handlers/addressing/ databinding/src/org/apache/axis2/databinding/metadata/ databindin

2005-09-30 Thread Ruchith Fernando
Hi, There were a lot of test methods commented out in 'whitemesa.round2', because they were failing. all of them are uncommented now and whitemesa.round2 is excluded from itests. Thanks, Ruchith On 9/30/05, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Folks, > > :( am getting tired deleting jun

[Axis2]search for poperties not registered in Message Context are expensive!!

2005-09-30 Thread Srinath Perera
get methods Axis2 properties in the message context search the hierarchy of contexts before return null. (See "Information Model" in the Archi document.) That means the searches that would be successful are OK but the searches that would fail are very bad as they search the complete hierarchy befo

[jira] Updated: (AXIS2-243) Missing javadoc, javadoc warnings, undocumented behavior

2005-09-30 Thread Eric Johnson (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AXIS2-243?page=all ] Eric Johnson updated AXIS2-243: --- Attachment: javadoc2.patch Could someone re-open the bug? More patches to come. This patch fixes some more Javadoc warnings. The "om" package itself should now

RE: [jira] Updated: (AXIS2-249) Exessive number & size of filesgenerated from WSDL

2005-09-30 Thread Sanjiva Weerawarana
On Fri, 2005-09-30 at 12:09 -0400, Tom Jordahl wrote: > +1 on breaking out the war and binary download and slimming down the > kit. > > I would like to keep WS-Security support in the primary Axis2 distro. I > think it is very valuable to have this support 'out of the box' as a > selling point fo

RE: [jira] Commented: (AXIS2-249) Exessive number & size of files generated from WSDL

2005-09-30 Thread Sanjiva Weerawarana
On Fri, 2005-09-30 at 09:45 -0700, Simon Fell wrote: > Yes, there's a lot of schema, this is a real world service that handles > millions of requests a day, not some hello world sample. > > It seems incredable to me, that you need to generate 20x more files than > Axis 1.1, yet its considered acce

Re: [jira] Commented: (AXIS2-249) Exessive number & size of files generated from WSDL

2005-09-30 Thread Sanjiva Weerawarana
On Fri, 2005-09-30 at 13:47 -0400, Davanum Srinivas wrote: > Me Neither. We need to fix it. > > -- dims > > On 9/30/05, Tom Jordahl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Simon Fell wrote: > > > It seems incredable to me, that you need to generate 20x more files > > than > > > Axis 1.1, yet its considere

Re: [Axis2]search for poperties not registered in Message Context are expensive!!

2005-09-30 Thread Sanjiva Weerawarana
On Fri, 2005-09-30 at 16:39 -0500, Srinath Perera wrote: > get methods Axis2 properties in the message context search the hierarchy > of contexts before return null. (See "Information Model" in the Archi > document.) > > That means the searches that would be successful are OK but the > searches t

Re: [Axis2] Two OM questions - serialize with cache and "optimize".

2005-09-30 Thread Sanjiva Weerawarana
On Fri, 2005-09-30 at 13:16 -0700, Eric Johnson wrote: > Thanks for the response. > > That seems weird, though. That means if you call the serialize function > (without the cache), the OMDocument can effectively be corrupted. Its a necessary feature .. that allows one to process headers and the

Re: [jira] Commented: (AXIS2-249) Exessive number & size of files generated from WSDL

2005-09-30 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Yes. We imply that we should have our own databinding :) -- dims On 9/30/05, Sanjiva Weerawarana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2005-09-30 at 13:47 -0400, Davanum Srinivas wrote: > > Me Neither. We need to fix it. > > > > -- dims > > > > On 9/30/05, Tom Jordahl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >

[jira] Reopened: (AXIS2-243) Missing javadoc, javadoc warnings, undocumented behavior

2005-09-30 Thread Davanum Srinivas (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AXIS2-243?page=all ] Davanum Srinivas reopened AXIS2-243: Reopening issue as per Eric. > Missing javadoc, javadoc warnings, undocumented behavior > > >

Re: [Axis2]search for poperties not registered in Message Context are expensive!!

2005-09-30 Thread Davanum Srinivas
how about a flag to specifically search parents? or even a flag with bits flipped on which parent in the hierarchy should be searched explicitly? On 9/30/05, Sanjiva Weerawarana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2005-09-30 at 16:39 -0500, Srinath Perera wrote: > > get methods Axis2 properties i

Re: [jira] Updated: (AXIS2-249) Exessive number & size of filesgenerated from WSDL

2005-09-30 Thread Davanum Srinivas
+1 from me. On 9/30/05, Sanjiva Weerawarana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2005-09-30 at 12:09 -0400, Tom Jordahl wrote: > > +1 on breaking out the war and binary download and slimming down the > > kit. > > > > I would like to keep WS-Security support in the primary Axis2 distro. I > > thin

Re: [Axis2]search for poperties not registered in Message Context are expensive!!

2005-09-30 Thread Deepal Jayasinghe
Hi Srinath See my comments below; Thanks, Deepal ~Future is Open~ - Original Message - From: "Srinath Perera" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 3:39 AM Subject: [Axis2]search for poperties not reg

[Axis2] Transport howto

2005-09-30 Thread Chamil Thanthrimudalige
hi, I written a small how to on making your own transport. Can some one with enough please have a look at it and then commit. Thank You ! Best Regards, Chamil Thantrimudalige. Index: xdocs/transport_howto.html === --- xdocs/trans

Re: [Axis2] Transport howto

2005-09-30 Thread Deepal Jayasinghe
done Thanks, Deepal ~Future is Open~ - Original Message - From: "Chamil Thanthrimudalige" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 11:22 AM Subject: [Axis2] Transport howto hi, I written a small how t

AXIS2 MessageValidation and MessageInitialization phases

2005-09-30 Thread U Gopalakrishnan
The architecture documentation of Axis2 says there is MessageValidation phase at the end of an InPipe and a MessageInitialization at the beginning of an OutPipe. But at run time I don't see messages going through any phases like that. So just wanted to know if these two phases are just virtual pha