Re: Signal to noise ratio in Soap is very high

2004-11-16 Thread Jim Murphy
Can someone describe what the "slow part of web services is"? If you think its the verbosity of XML I suspect your not measuring it against alternatives. The fact is unless your message payload is very large the size of the XML body matters little in your overall performance - over broadband.

RE: Signal to noise ratio in Soap is very high

2004-11-16 Thread Christophe Roudet
9 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Signal to noise ratio in Soap is very high > > > Thank you for the link. Apache Tomcat already support server side gzip > compression. I only need to do this on the client side. There's also > free source code for doing the serv

Re: Signal to noise ratio in Soap is very high

2004-11-16 Thread salgado.pc
I read an article about Fast Web Services... but I think there was no new development since then. http://java.sun.com/developer/technicalArticles/WebServices/fastWS/ > > Thank you for the responses. I think it's possible to achieve > interoperability and small foot print. It's just Soap was

Re: Signal to noise ratio in Soap is very high

2004-11-16 Thread Vy Ho
Thank you for the link. Apache Tomcat already support server side gzip compression. I only need to do this on the client side. There's also free source code for doing the servlet that does the compression (very straight forward, because java already supply the gzip compression stream library

Re: Signal to noise ratio in Soap is very high

2004-11-16 Thread Vy Ho
Thank you for the responses. I think it's possible to achieve interoperability and small foot print. It's just Soap was designed lousy in this particular aspect. When saying if speed matters, I think most of the apps that has some kind of communication, speed does matter. I think there shou

Re: Signal to noise ratio in Soap is very high

2004-11-16 Thread Paul Callahan
I second that... And would just add that you might want to think about when your application is just too 'chatty' for SOAP... -pc On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:48:30 -0900, Elaine Nance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > SOAP is not designed to create compact dataflows. It is designed > for interoperability

RE: Signal to noise ratio in Soap is very high

2004-11-16 Thread Christophe Roudet
Check http://www.osmoticweb.com/soap-compression-howto.htm Christophe > -Original Message- > From: Vy Ho [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 12:11 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Signal to noise ratio in Soap is very high > >

Re: Signal to noise ratio in Soap is very high

2004-11-16 Thread Elaine Nance
SOAP is not designed to create compact dataflows. It is designed for interoperability and, because it is XML, extensibility. IMHO, I would *not* use SOAP for purely internal processes if speed or stream size matters (where faster/smaller) is better. In that case I would go strictly with a sock

Re: Signal to noise ratio in Soap is very high

2004-11-16 Thread Vy Ho
Searching around, I found this article: http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/webservices/library/ws-sqzsoap.html#code2 This basically add gzip to both end of the connection so that things gets smaller in the stream. The concept seems to be good. Is something Axis already implemented, so that I

Re: Signal to noise ratio in Soap is very high

2004-11-16 Thread Vy Ho
What I meant is the signal to noise ratio is very low.