Re: [Ayatana] Reducing Resistance to Change

2010-04-29 Thread Martin Owens
On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 11:19 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > and yet everyone will have their > idea of what piece is the most valuable to the most people. The > specification describes the things that we believe are the most > important for the most people. Those pieces are not revealed as > tool

Re: [Ayatana] Reducing Resistance to Change

2010-04-29 Thread Dylan McCall
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Mario Vukelic wrote: > But as I mentioned, the facilities are in place to display information > *right at install* of a change. They just usually are not used. And I'm > not talking about complete release notes (which are published on the > website for each milest

Re: [Ayatana] Reducing Resistance to Change

2010-04-29 Thread Mario Vukelic
On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 11:35 +0200, Paolo Sammicheli wrote: > I'm so sorry to disagree with you in this. The entire process, from my > perspective, > worked regardless the schedule. Theme was applied the day before the UI > freeze without > any previous discussion or even information. Then butto

Re: [Ayatana] Reducing Resistance to Change

2010-04-29 Thread Martín Soto
Hello Martin (and everyone): Just a few comments on your post: First of all, I also believe that better communication with the (technical) community would be very valuable. Obviously, Canonical and the UI team have failed so far in selling their work to large fractions of the Ubuntu community and

Re: [Ayatana] Skipping Multiple songs?

2010-04-29 Thread Frederik Nnaji
Ja, essentially, this is totem and rhythmbox cut up and screwed back together. Ideas I like in this thread, visualized roughly in a mockup. How about constructive ideas on this visual concept? On 28.04.2010 18:24, Chow Loong Jin wrote: That mockup looks really similar to

Re: [Ayatana] Reducing Resistance to Change

2010-04-29 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
On 29/04/10 10:35, Paolo Sammicheli wrote: > And LoCos still don't have the font for updating their sites. > The font is still being designed, it is not complete, you will have it when we have it. Mark signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [Ayatana] Reducing Resistance to Change

2010-04-29 Thread Luke Benstead
>> On point 1: Looking at the tooltip bug in particular. The argument was >> made that "menus don't have tooltips". But the *main* ubuntu menus, >> for Applications, Places, and System, *all* have tooltips. As far as I >> know, this was never addressed. > > That's easily addressed, thanks for the r

Re: [Ayatana] Reducing Resistance to Change

2010-04-29 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
On 29/04/10 06:35, Jeremy Nickurak wrote: > On point 2: People lost the ability to manage fine-grained > information, or in some cases, information at all. "Time to charge > battery" is still missing, as are many of the other things people > brought up in that bug. Is it not available if you dig i

Re: [Ayatana] Reducing Resistance to Change

2010-04-29 Thread Paolo Sammicheli
Disclaimer: --- Not being English native speaker I tend to sound more rude than I would, my apologize in advance. My real intention is to provide a positive contribution to the discussion. Alle 23:22 del 27/4/2010, Martin Owens ha scritto: > A few of my community circles react to Desi

Re: [Ayatana] Unexpected close functionality

2010-04-29 Thread Tyler Brainerd
agreed. On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 1:12 AM, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > On 29/04/10 01:00, Marc Deslauriers wrote: > > On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 00:02 +0200, Jan Claeys wrote: > > > >> Op dinsdag 27-04-2010 om 19:54 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Shane > >> Fagan: > >> > >>> Adding more preferences is a

Re: [Ayatana] Unexpected close functionality

2010-04-29 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
On 29/04/10 01:00, Marc Deslauriers wrote: > On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 00:02 +0200, Jan Claeys wrote: > >> Op dinsdag 27-04-2010 om 19:54 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Shane >> Fagan: >> >>> Adding more preferences is a last resort in my book. >>> >> This is the sort of thing you want a

Re: [Ayatana] Panel menu in 10.10 Netbook UI

2010-04-29 Thread Jeremy Nickurak
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 01:44, Remco wrote: > > This is probably not going to be a problem. I'm sure that when you > unmaximize the window, the title and the menu pop right back into the > window. In current UNE, the rare unmaximized window also doesn't have > its title in the upper panel. > Not

Re: [Ayatana] Panel menu in 10.10 Netbook UI

2010-04-29 Thread Remco
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 07:22, Jeremy Nickurak wrote: > On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 16:14, Jan Claeys wrote: >> >> That's not an issue on netbooks. >> > > It's not an issue with *maximzed windows*. It's every bit as much as issue > for unmaximized windows on the netbook as it is for the desktop. > T