Re: [Ayatana] how could we switch better between windows?

Why do we need to have a title for multiple windows of the same program? We don't tab through each tab window in firefox, so why do it for libreoffice? In fact isn't this a design flaw of libreoffice? All libreoffice needs to do is add a tab like toolbar to it with the filename in the title of th

Re: [Ayatana] Sound theme / icon set

Cheers, you are 100% right, they look really professional. In my opinion they are what the tango icon theme *should *be like. http://gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=128143&file1=128143-1.png&file2=&file3=&name=Faenza On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 5:25 AM, M. Adnan Quaium wrote: > I s

Re: [Ayatana] Sound theme / icon set

Paul, Thanks for the answer! When it comes to the Ubuntu sound theme, I can only say that I completely agree with you: we ought to have a sound theme that integrates well. That's a long term initiative, yes. On the other hand, I have to say that we need to think short term too. Of course creating

Re: [Ayatana] Design problem: Menus hidden by default in Unity

I, for one, love the integration of the menu and titlebars into the panel in Natty. The decluttering of the workspace, or the "chromifization" (as in Google Chrome, which started the wonderful trend of minimal interfaces and the hiding of visual clutter) of Ubuntu is the main reason I am looking fo

Re: [Ayatana] Design problem: Menus hidden by default in Unity

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > I see four major problems with hiding the menus and covering them with > an application or window title. > > 1. Most importantly, it makes the menus much harder to use. > > 2. It makes some functions effectively invisible. > The ab

Re: [Ayatana] Design problem: Menus hidden by default in Unity

Remco wrote: > The thing I find jarring is that we have this mysterious design > team that basically discusses things behind our backs here at > Ayatana. I understand that a small team with face-to-face > meetings can be beneficial to design, but a problem lies in > communication and collaboratio

Re: [Ayatana] Design problem: Menus hidden by default in Unity

> After several weeks of trying, last week I finally succeeded in > installing Natty to test Unity. > > I was disappointed to see that in Unity, menus are invisible until you > mouse over where they are supposed to be. For a window, until you mouse > over it, the space reserved for its menus is tak

Re: [Ayatana] Design problem: Menus hidden by default in Unity

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 23:29, Mitja Pagon wrote: > I've raised this issue before in various places, but I never got any > response, so I'm really, positively surprised to see the same issues raised > by someone from Canonical. I also raised this issue in a bug report[1], and was informed that it

Re: [Ayatana] Design problem: Menus hidden by default in Unity

I've raised this issue before in various places, but I never got any response, so I'm really, positively surprised to see the same issues raised by someone from Canonical. Why not just keep the window title on the window, it's not really wasting that much screen space. This "space efficiency"

Re: [Ayatana] how could we switch better between windows?

On 15 March 2011 22:34, David wrote: > Hello, > i am currently trying to figure out a nice method to switch between > windows. > At the moment i have this: > http://unity.exemo.net/7/ > Click on firefox to see it in action. > I already like this one. > But what could we do when: > - there is 1 w

Re: [Ayatana] Design problem: Menus hidden by default in Unity

On 15 March 2011 20:13, Vishnoo wrote: > On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 15:51 -0300, Conscious User wrote: >> >> Thorsten Wilms wrote: >> > The alternative would be to show both title and menu, but giving >> > the menu priority. For habituation and quick aiming, it's important >> > that the menu always sta

[Ayatana] how could we switch better between windows?

Hello, i am currently trying to figure out a nice method to switch between windows. At the moment i have this: http://unity.exemo.net/7/ Click on firefox to see it in action. I already like this one. But what could we do when: - there is 1 window open (okay probably switching to it) - there are o

Re: [Ayatana] Sound theme

I think that these sounds are better than the default Ubuntu's theme. Some comments: 1. At moment, they are consistent. We must ensure that the theme will keep consistent, as long as new sounds are added. 2. The sounds are not normalized. Imagine: the user logs in and the login sound is too loud.

Re: [Ayatana] Sound theme

On 03/15/2011 01:24 PM, S. Christian Collins wrote: Having listened to all of the sound theme submissions (and submitted one myself), I'm not sure that any one submission is a perfect sound set, and unfortunately, some are not very p

Re: [Ayatana] Design problem: Menus hidden by default in Unity

On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 15:51 -0300, Conscious User wrote: > > Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > The alternative would be to show both title and menu, but giving > > the menu priority. For habituation and quick aiming, it's important > > that the menu always starts in the same spot from the left (assuming >

Re: [Ayatana] Design problem: Menus hidden by default in Unity

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > The alternative would be to show both title and menu, but giving the menu > priority. For habituation and quick aiming, it's important that the menu > always starts in the same spot from the left (assuming LTR reading > direction). To guar

Re: [Ayatana] Design problem: Menus hidden by default in Unity

On Tuesday, March 15, 2011 5:34:52 PM Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > I have a simple proposal to fix these problems: The application title > should be removed from Unity's menu bar. Possibly. The titlebar is used to differentiate between two windows of the same app, or less used to differentiate b

Re: [Ayatana] Design problem: Menus hidden by default in Unity

The change that you propose might make it harder to see which application a particular menu belongs to. I think it's that (and the desire to hide a bit of messy interface) that led to the current situation, although I've no citation on it. I think in having it always-menu, care would need to be t

Re: [Ayatana] Sound theme

Thanks Ingo, I did not aware of that. On 15 March 2011 19:12, Ingo Gerth wrote: > A while ago I asked a question concerning the sound theme on askubuntu. > Check it out: > http://askubuntu.com/questions/21840/are-there-still-plans-for-a-new-sound-theme >

Re: [Ayatana] Sound theme / icon set

Hello Paul, In responses to your question, well ... no I do not have any world class contacts in the genres you mentioned. On the other hand, somehow I've some Ubuntu newbies (some of them are converted to Ubuntu by me and some of get acquainted with me after using Ubuntu), who think Ubuntu's defa

Re: [Ayatana] Design problem: Menus hidden by default in Unity

Thorsten Wilms wrote: > The alternative would be to show both title and menu, but giving > the menu priority. For habituation and quick aiming, it's important > that the menu always starts in the same spot from the left (assuming > LTR reading direction). To guarantee that, without using an offse

Re: [Ayatana] Design problem: Menus hidden by default in Unity

On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 17:34 +, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > After several weeks of trying, last week I finally succeeded in > installing Natty to test Unity. > > I was disappointed to see that in Unity, menus are invisible until you > mouse

Re: [Ayatana] Design problem: Menus hidden by default in Unity

On 03/15/2011 06:34 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: I was disappointed to see that in Unity, menus are invisible until you mouse over where they are supposed to be. For a window, until you mouse over it, the space reserved for its menus is taken up by an application or window title. And for the d

Re: [Ayatana] Sound theme

On 03/15/2011 09:47 AM, Peterson Silva wrote: For the love of the goddess, please somebody say we'll have a new sound theme this time. Or that someone's working on it. Having listened to all of the sound theme submissions (and subm

Re: [Ayatana] Design problem: Menus hidden by default in Unity

I can verify that hiding the menus by default is problematic in my (limited) user testing. On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > After several weeks of trying, last week I finally succeeded in > installing Natty to test

Re: [Ayatana] Design problem: Menus hidden by default in Unity

> I have a simple proposal to fix these problems: The application > title should be removed from Unity's menu bar. I'm reliably > informed that this would be extremely low risk, in that it > would involve changing two lines of code. But how would be the design for maximized windows? I'm guessing

Re: [Ayatana] Sound theme

A while ago I asked a question concerning the sound theme on askubuntu. Check it out: http://askubuntu.com/questions/21840/are-there-still-plans-for-a-new-sound-theme It appears that the design team is on it, although

Re: [Ayatana] Sound theme / icon set

On Tue, 15 Mar 2011, M. Adnan Quaium wrote: > On 15 March 2011 15:47, Peterson Silva wrote: > > have a new sound theme this time. > +1 ... icon set Hello Peterson and Adnan, I suspect the answer to these are much along the same lines as something I gave on AskUbuntu recently, to a question about

Re: [Ayatana] Sound theme

I think that the initial discussion was about a *sound* theme, wasn't it? On Ter, 2011-03-15 at 11:46 -0500, S. Christian Collins wrote: > On 03/15/2011 09:55 AM, M. Adnan Quaium wrote: > > We need a new unique set of lucrative cool icon set as well. Neither > > the humanity nor a modified versio

[Ayatana] Design problem: Menus hidden by default in Unity

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 After several weeks of trying, last week I finally succeeded in installing Natty to test Unity. I was disappointed to see that in Unity, menus are invisible until you mouse over where they are supposed to be. For a window, until you mouse over it, the

Re: [Ayatana] Double side springboard! The video.

Looking good! I think the corner button could flip the launcher AND activate the Dash. It makes sense: - clicking on an application launcher closes the Dash if it's open anyway, so there's little use in making the "application side" available when the Dash is open - the tendency is to Dash

Re: [Ayatana] Double side springboard! The video.

@Marc Hmm it really makes sense, yeah. *Peterson* *http://petercast.net* On 15 March 2011 13:39, Marc Lajoie wrote: > I disagree. I think the launcher should always come back showing the apps > side. After all, the launcher is much more often used to do app > switching/launching of favorite

Re: [Ayatana] Sound theme

On 03/15/2011 09:55 AM, M. Adnan Quaium wrote: We need a new unique set of lucrative cool icon set as well. Neither the humanity nor a modified version of humanity any more. We need completely new set of unique icon, which must be way cooler than FAENZA. Does anybody know anything about new ico

Re: [Ayatana] Double side springboard! The video.

On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 16:18 +0100, andrea azzarone wrote: > Maybe this is batter than a simple mockup: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RudBG7pfzg&feature=player_embedded > > > I have used ubuntu logo as Shortcuts dash, because I just wanted > to make the idea! > > > I hope you like it! (Not

Re: [Ayatana] Double side springboard! The video.

I disagree. I think the launcher should always come back showing the apps side. After all, the launcher is much more often used to do app switching/launching of favorite apps, than to call up the dash (which is used for more infrequent tasks), so having it appear always showing the more often used

Re: [Ayatana] Double side springboard! The video.

@Andrea Azzarone and @Marc Lajoie I really liked both of your ideas! Rocking Idea!! It should be implemented in the Unity by default. On 15 March 2011 17:12, Marc Lajoie wrote: > Andrea Azzarone, you are officially da man. I just got my development > environment up and running so I could hac

Re: [Ayatana] Double side springboard! The video.

Yeah I think this is best; the user would find things the way he left them =D *Peterson* *http://petercast.net* On 15 March 2011 13:08, andrea azzarone wrote: > When you call it back you will view the last side but i can change this > behavior! I wait only for suggestions! > > --

Re: [Ayatana] Double side springboard! The video.

Andrea Azzarone, you are officially da man. I just got my development environment up and running so I could hack this thing together, and lo and behold you beat me to it, implementing it exactly as I intended to, to boot Two questions: 1) With autohide on, does it work as in my mockup (http://unity

Re: [Ayatana] Double side springboard! The video.

It looks like nice. Very nice. Very, very nice! This could be included as an extra for Unity (the feature could be enabled or disabled via ccsm, for example). On Ter, 2011-03-15 at 16:18 +0100, andrea azzarone wrote: > Maybe this is batter than a simple mockup: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ru

Re: [Ayatana] Double side springboard! The video.

Wow, this is awesome! =D Could you also show how would it work with auto/itelli-hide on? *Peterson* *http://petercast.net* On 15 March 2011 12:18, andrea azzarone wrote: > Maybe this is batter than a simple mockup: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RudBG7pfzg&feature=player_embedded > > I h

Re: [Ayatana] Consolidated Keyboard Indicator (or: Polyglots need love, too)

Hey, wow, I see you guys are already way ahead of me on this one. So how can I help? Is there already some code on this that I can hack on? Marc Lajoie On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Marc Lajoie wrote on 13/03/11

[Ayatana] Double side springboard! The video.

Maybe this is batter than a simple mockup:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RudBG7pfzg&feature=player_embeddedI have used ubuntu logo as Shortcuts dash, because I just wanted to make the idea!I hope you like it!Andrea Azzaronehttp://www.ubuntusecrets.it

Re: [Ayatana] Sound theme

On 15 March 2011 15:47, Peterson Silva wrote: > For the love of the goddess, please somebody say we'll have a new sound > theme this time. Or that someone's working on it. > > I mean... Please don't *forget* it =x > > *Peterson* > *http://petercast.net* > > > _

[Ayatana] Sound theme

For the love of the goddess, please somebody say we'll have a new sound theme this time. Or that someone's working on it. I mean... Please don't *forget* it =x *Peterson* *http://petercast.net* ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to

Re: [Ayatana] We need a short-term solution for mail applications and the messaging menu

On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 19:21, Conscious User wrote: > I have the impression that the user experience of Evolution > always ends up being overlooked because the majority of > people uses a webmail client and does not really care. >From my perspective, the only time I use a non-webmail client is

Re: [Ayatana] We need a short-term solution for mail applications and the messaging menu

> I use Thunderbird, which doesn't get hidden either. Evolution should be killed > with fire, in my opinion. The entire framework is convoluted as hell, and when > facing an unstable network, it hangs completely. Messaging Menu aside, I think > the whole issue of hanging due to an unstable networ

Re: [Ayatana] Consolidated Keyboard Indicator (or: Polyglots need love, too)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marc Lajoie wrote on 13/03/11 09:27: > > Ubuntu needs a consolidated keyboard indicator, one that allows users > to change keyboard layouts and keyboard input methods all in one place. > Check out the attached image to see what a disaster the current s

Re: [Ayatana] No one will ever use the upper-left Ubuntu button

That just means cluttering the dash instead of the launcher, which I don't fancy, since at the moment, I really don't like the way the Dash works. It feels too inefficient. 2011/3/15 David > Hello, > > > Let's see what people who try it have to say. Don't worry if there is > > negative feedback,

Re: [Ayatana] No one will ever use the upper-left Ubuntu button

Hello, > Let's see what people who try it have to say. Don't worry if there is > negative feedback, that's what exploring and testing are all about. i think the feedback was quite good. for those who didn't see it, the mockups were also on omgubuntu and webupd8 http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03