Em 29-01-2012 10:10, Chow Loong Jin escreveu:
On 29/01/2012 16:22, supernova wrote:
Goodmorning (GMT+1) to all. Yesterday I tried Precise, and it works
very good. I have seen that it is a bit slower and more fat than the
gnome-shell, as it happened for 11.10, 11.04, ... . I guess it is due
to
Em 29-01-2012 10:58, Chow Loong Jin escreveu:
On 29/01/2012 20:55, Conscious User wrote:
Em 29-01-2012 10:10, Chow Loong Jin escreveu:
On 29/01/2012 16:22, supernova wrote:
Goodmorning (GMT+1) to all. Yesterday I tried Precise, and it works
very good. I have seen that it is a bit slower
Hi,
GTK applications, in particular GNOME core applications,
are moving towards supermenus.
https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointThree/Features/ApplicationMenu
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/01/gnomes-revamped-web-browser-is-minimal-mighty/
There is even a APIs to recognize those and render
Em 02-12-2011 01:45, Chow Loong Jin escreveu:
On 02/12/2011 03:45, Dylan McCall wrote:
That this is the case should raise a red flag for everyone who has
paid attention to NotifyOSD. A big part of the design is that an
application can't control where notifications are. It can't treat a
Which reminds me, shouldn't we stop pretending that synchronous and
asynchronous notifications are similar enough to deserve being
close? They are not, and the current approach causes more problems
than solves.
What problems does it cause?
The most obvious one is the ugly gap when no
Le terça 30 agosto 2011 à 14:24 +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas a écrit :
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Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote on 27/08/11 04:35:
It's fantastically cool how the lenses background color changes with
the desktop wallpaper. But when the wallpaper is a light
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Well, that looks familiar... :)
Is there a single, 100% reliable place where all those rules
are documented?
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Without explaining what is your idea for maximized windows, the
usefulness of the mockup is very limited.
Most people would agree that making the menubar moving left and
right is not an acceptable solution, so explaining what would
you do in the maximized case is essential.
Le mercredi 20
Sorry, but every pixel counts is not a definition of a problem. Before
coming up with a solution, first you have to define what the problem
you are trying to solve is. This is the supposed problem as defined by
Christian Giordano, the man behind this scroll bar implementation:
Today’s
Mitja Pagon a écrit:
You are making all sorts of false assumptions about how people
use computers. If you ever observed regular users you would know,
that most don't use keyboard shortcuts, some don't even know they
exist. Furthermore, I've personally once came across someone who
didn't
The idea that all non-immediate notifications should be grouped
together in a single place, regardless of topic, is very much like the
idea that progress for all long-running tasks should be grouped
together in a single place regardless of task. It's the kind of
categorization that may make
Hi,
In Natty, the Ubuntu One item was moved from the Me Menu from
the Messaging Menu. Was this agreed on by the design team?
If it was, I think this is a good opportunity to wonder if
there is still a point in trying to tie the Messaging Menu
to messaging applications only.
Currently, the
Le jeudi 31 mars 2011 à 12:35 -0700, Dylan McCall a écrit :
This is something that _is_ covered by a particular subset of the
notification specification; it's just that it isn't guaranteed. Gnome
Shell is doing what you want here: they went ahead and defined
persistent notifications, which
It is interactive: when you click on it, the track information is
copied to the clipboard and you can paste it somewhere else.
Whether this is useful, specially considering discoverability, is
a different discussion. In my personal opinion... well, no.
Le samedi 26 mars 2011 à 15:32 -0400,
Le samedi 26 mars 2011 à 19:11 +, Luke Benstead a écrit :
On 23 March 2011 14:13, Bilal Akhtar bilalakh...@ubuntu.com wrote:
The current way of switching between windows of the same app is
time-consuming. The launcher icon has to be clicked twice for the
'spread' compiz view to get
I'm glad I'm not alone, then. Vish raised a good point on IRC.
Currently the backlight is set to always on, but if they change
that to no backlight or toggle backlight the pulse might be
more noticeable.
I toggle the backlight completely off (with the arrows I don't
see the point, and I
The original Unity had top and bottom folding, and used an
intelli-folding that essentially solved all the current
problems: the last clicked icon was always kept in the same
place, and top or bottom folding would be used depending on
the situation. Think CoverFlow.
I quite liked it, to be
Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
...
(I pretty much agree with the paragraphs before, so I'm simply omitting
them...)
I think the Gnome Shell designers are badly underestimating the use
cases for minimize.
Maybe... but the problem is, so is Unity, at least currently. It
didn't remove
Ian Santopietro wrote:
What about flashing the menu with the title for the first, say,
five seconds that the window is open. That gives an indication as to
where the menu is, reduces visual clutter, and allows the user to get
a quick preview of what menu headers are available (File, Edit,
I don't feel their argument for getting rid of the Minimize button
applies to Unity. It works great for Gnome, but we still have
somewhere to minimize windows to in Unity, thus the Minimize button
has a point.
Several problems here:
1) The somewhere to minimize to was only *one* of the
No Problem:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composition_(visual_arts)
Basically, in visual composition, when there are multiple objects
involved, it becomes pleasing to have one item surrounded by an even
number of objects (Thus an odd number). Five, IMO, brings clutter,
particularly to
Is it a coincidence that the two of them worked in Open source projects
_before_ joining Canonical design team..? ;-)
This topic has been hashed, re-hashed over-n-over again several times..
I, for one, definitely see a huge improvement in communication from the
design team. Several
Looking good!
I think the corner button could flip the launcher AND activate
the Dash. It makes sense:
- clicking on an application launcher closes the Dash if it's
open anyway, so there's little use in making the application
side available when the Dash is open
- the tendency is to Dash
I have a simple proposal to fix these problems: The application
title should be removed from Unity's menu bar. I'm reliably
informed that this would be extremely low risk, in that it
would involve changing two lines of code.
But how would be the design for maximized windows? I'm guessing
the
Thorsten Wilms wrote:
The alternative would be to show both title and menu, but giving
the menu priority. For habituation and quick aiming, it's important
that the menu always starts in the same spot from the left (assuming
LTR reading direction). To guarantee that, without using an offset
Remco wrote:
The thing I find jarring is that we have this mysterious design
team that basically discusses things behind our backs here at
Ayatana. I understand that a small team with face-to-face
meetings can be beneficial to design, but a problem lies in
communication and collaboration
Actually, and I already mentioned this to Phong, but that isn't a
mockup,, rather what my panel looks like after tweaking my Ambiance
theme. The Panel does follow the user preferences.
My bad. Where I said current visual of the panel I actually meant
current visual of the launcher. The
In an effort to get *some* reaction other than Jeremy's to this
thread, let me ask something to the people of this list: how
many of you actually use Evolution? And how many of you feel
confortable with the current way it's integrated to the
Messaging Menu (and now Unity)?
More specifically, how
Mark Curtis wrote:
Someone else suggested putting it in the Me Menu
This would solve both problems of not being close
to Shut Down nor cluttering up the Launcher
Ian Santopietro wrote:
I agree with putting it in the Me Menu. We can't
put everything only one click away, since with all
that
Hi all,
Let me start the discussion by saying I agree with Matthew:
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-desktop-n-coherent-behavior-for-apps-in-messagingmenu
http://design.canonical.com/2011/03/quit/
The engineering solution here is for messaging clients to
split out
Hello!
This is probably a question for Jason, but I'm not 100% sure.
When Unity lands, I intend to use the bottom left corner to
place a small conky window, as I am a system stats junkie.
But I won't want the Unity launcher to get in the way of
conky and vice versa, so I need the Unity launcher
Hello,
I've been bugging Neil Patel about this on Twitter lately
and would like to know what the rest of the team has to say.
It seems that Unity has purposefully dropped the ability to
fold icons on top and now only folds the bottom ones. Even
after some weeks, I still think it's very awkward
It is true that Chrome does not currently cover the use case Matthew
presented, even with the buttons on the right, but I think his point
was that it *could* if the devs *wanted to*, while with buttons on
the right, it is not possible without awkwardness.
That said, I do question if two having
Hello,
I was thinking about filing a bug (perhaps multiple, per-app
bugs) to track all applications in the Ubuntu repositories
(or at least all applications in a default install) whose
windows are not being currently correctly matched to a
.desktop file in the Unity launcher, causing ugly icons
Hi Jason, thanks for all the information.
I think a wiki page is more efficient than a bug report
for tracking those issues, so I started a crude draft in:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/WindowMatching
I already added pango-view as Paul pointed out. Please,
if anyone sees mistakes (there are
It is futile to attempt to solve a problem that does not yet exist.
What are you talking about? Ubuntu is being installed in touch
devices as we speak:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/11/augen-improves-gentouch-78-teases-lenovo-u1-hybrid-competitor/
: frederik.nnaji frederik.nn...@gmail.com
To: Conscious User consciousu...@aol.com
Cc: ayatana ayatana@lists.launchpad.net
Sent: Tue, Jan 18, 2011 8:39 am
Subject: Re: [Ayatana] I don't think global menu and the panel is good for a
touch OS
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:26, Conscious User consciousu
They are very different things, and a design that works well for one
will hardly ever work well for the other.
I'm a little bit confused now because Mark's blog post about Unity
clearly stated that some design decisions were motivated by touch
devices. Is the Unity design still taking touch
I'm particularly interested in this issue. I like the show on
hover,
but how is it going to be addressed in touch devices?
eye-tracking?
I'm not talking about the future. I'm asking how the designers are
handling this issue *now*, for Natty.
Hey Vish and other,
As told in https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg04544.html, we
discussed that behavior at last UDS and it seems that emails shouldn't
be seen as a service. mpt will be able to develop it a little bit more
right now.
One issue I'm now noticing at that blueprint
Le jeudi 13 janvier 2011 à 23:39 -0500, Mark Curtis a écrit :
I figured the point raised in this topic would be that the global menu
items currently are only visible on HOVER. Something that is
impossible to do on a touch based device.
I'm particularly interested in this issue. I like the
Hi,
I'm curious with respect to the appmenu compatibility goals
targeted for Natty. So far there are some important apps
non-compatible with it:
XUL apps
[Open,Libre]Office
Swing apps
SWT apps
MonoDevelop
I know that XUL is being worked on, but I heard no news
about the rest. I'm particularly
Hi,
Currently the Unity launcher in Natty does not offer any way
to restore minimized windows if another window from the same
application is opened (the scale plugin is invoked instead,
considering only non-minimized windows).
I suppose this is because it's just an alpha, but what is
the
Minimize should be deprecated, because it was a workaround for hide
window, which would have been a non-reversible gesture without tools
like docky or the unity launcher now, or the window list back then.
Minimize is a synonym for iconify, now list to me the situations in
which you want a
How about getting rid of the section headings and showing instant
messaging items on top, inboxes with their service-icon as prefix
below!?
That *does* help cleaning up, but then we need another way of
opening the IM program when no new messages have arrived.
so.. what could the local relevance of Invisible aka hidden be?
is there any?
In IM being invisible means that you want the world to treat you like
you were offline. That means not sending you anything, regardless of
how important it is. Invisible can be seen as the ultimate maximum
,
to actually use the inactive status buttons in the MeMenu, the user has
to start chat from the messaging menu,
As Conscious user said, the IM status problem has always been a bug. The
Gwibber problem, on the other hand, is a design flaw.
One solution could be merging the two menus
Well, I don't know how else entry could be interpreted...
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From: frederik.nnaji frederik.nn...@gmail.com
To: Conscious User consciousu...@aol.com
Cc: ayatana ayatana@lists.launchpad.net
Sent: Fri, Dec 10, 2010 3:45 pm
Subject: Re: [Ayatana] Do You Use Gwibber
to be more
functional with respect to microblogging thant it is now:
https://wiki.edubuntu.org/MeMenu#Use%20cases
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From: Frederik Nnaji frederik.nn...@gmail.com
To: Conscious User consciousu...@aol.com
Sent: Sat, Dec 11, 2010 2:36 am
Subject: Re: [Ayatana] Do You Use
Discussions about an eventual progress indicator aside, I think
this is the kind of thing modal dialogs are meant to eliminate.
http://people.freedesktop.org/~david/gnome-shell-modal-dialogs.png
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Finally, it would be really nice if Gwibber pulled in my most current
status update from Identi.ca and placed it into the Me menu, so I
could see what my current status is when I go to update it.
Interestingly enough, this has already been part of the specification
for a
long time now:
I use Gwibber a lot.
One thing I didn't like about the Gwibber integration with the
Messaging Menu
was how it showed message-specific entries instead of box entries with
unread
counts like the Evolution integration does. Ken Van Dine recently fixed
that and
I'm very happy for that.
As for
Jason, while we're at this subject, could you please tell if Unity is going to
follow the WM_CLASS emergency fallback that Docky currently uses?
Since Unity is going to use those big icons, I'm particularly worried
whether it will always ensure overriding small icons with large enough ones,
2) Even for applications with a single window, I believe cases
where users are not interested in such association are
frequent.
Several users treat workspaces as extra space to be used as
needed (Gnome shell for example was designed with that
Well, with the solution presented earlier, there would not be that
problem, because *all* apps which were not maximized would have their
menu below the titlebar, and if you think about it, so would the
maximized windows, only it's not just below the titlebar, it's on it.
Please do not
I'd rather have the message just pop up in front of me then have to go
through a menu. That is about as close to real life as you can get.
Disagreed. In real life, sometimes when someone calls hey, do you have
a sec? and you are very focused and want to finish something first,
you can turn
Before any kind of conclusions, a survey with long-time
OSX users should be made. After all, not only they use
a Global Menu all the time, but a lot of them also
have huge monitors.
Le mercredi 27 octobre 2010 à 17:23 +0200, Oscar RdG a écrit :
Hi there,
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 5:06 PM,
Frederik, I think you are confusing things. Vish didn't say the
intention was
to eliminate each and every textual information possible, just the
tooltips.
The bad situation is when an unclear icon tries to solve its
unclearness by
adding a tooltip. The problem is extra, unnecessary text,
Le jeudi 14 octobre 2010 à 10:50 +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas a écrit :
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Dylan McCall wrote on 13/10/10 18:08:
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Right now a regular menu item is used as a title in one place
(Rhythmbox), and an action in another (Mute). The font and spacing
I agree that the effect of the track data item is pretty undiscoverable.
I'd love to see suggestions for that.
This is more or less one of the points I was trying to make with my
original message. Technically, it does not *need* to have an effect,
there's nothing wrong with having purely
Le vendredi 01 octobre 2010 à 17:55 -0500, Apoorva Sharma a écrit :
to get a text box for a broadcast account in the MeMenu, the user has
to go to the Messaging Menu to start Gwibber.
Not true. The text box will appear if the Gwibber service is running.
If the user configures Gwibber to start
i still suggest morphing out the info text field from the bottom of
the indicator array..
Replacing the indicators with a notification is also a good idea, but
seems to me to be more of a fancy theme for our notification bubbles,
the default imo should be near the indicators yet should not
Le mercredi 22 septembre 2010 à 11:01 -0400, Mark Russell a écrit :
On 09/22/2010 06:16 AM, frederik.nn...@gmail.com wrote:
I think the design of our pretty bubbles is good, implementation not yet
complete and i have only one flaw to comment on:
Notify only!
ATM the bubbles don't only
I think it demonstrates a big pain point for the message indicator,
really. So, we get this nice, big message in the panel and then it
shrinks down to a menu item inside a little icon surrounded by other
little icons. Let's say there are a few different indicators lit up
for different
.
On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Conscious User consciousu...@aol.com wrote:
I think it demonstrates a big pain point for the message indicator,
really. So, we get this nice, big message in the panel and then it
shrinks down to a menu item inside a little icon surrounded by other
little
I though we already established that notifications are even less
important than the least important of the user tasks? That's the only
possible justification for them being ethereal.
To be more clear, I think this goal is *already* being achieved quite
nicely by NotifyOSD *when mouse
A notification appears (the mouse cursor is not below the notification).
The user is now notified. When they move their mouse to that area (bear
in mind that they are 'notified' and have no further use for the
graphic) it once again fades away and reappears when the cursor departs.
This,
Le jeudi 16 septembre 2010 à 13:29 +0100, Luke Benstead a écrit :
On 15 September 2010 17:25, Greg K Nicholson g...@gkn.me.uk wrote:
On 15 September 2010 16:54, Conscious User
consciousu...@aol.com wrote:
I know it's the space for the confirmation bubbles, but I
Le jeudi 16 septembre 2010 à 16:22 +0100, Michael Jonker a écrit :
With specific reference to Unity and the notification:
We need to get ready for the touchscreen market. The present logic of
the notification is mouse-centric and will need to be overhauled for
touch screen.
In this
I thought the current OSD design was based on the idea that it doesn't
matter if you miss one notification. ;-) So what would be wrong if
the notification was simply discarded in that case? It collided with a
much more important action, so it's only natural that it would yield
priority.
It always has and still appears to me that the notifications should not
be completely ephemeral, or rather, not all notifications should be.
Instead there should be a log of some kind where I can look up what
happened while I was away. Maybe notifications need to come in various
levels of
Hello,
Some of you might be already aware of the controversy caused
by the (supposed) new default wallpaper:
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/08/ubuntu-1010-default-wallpaper.html
http://humphreybc.wordpress.com/2010/08/29/the-joke-that-is-mavericks-default-wallpaper/
Backlash? Where?
Are we now considering the above mentioned blog as a representative of
the whole Ubuntu community? (...)
Of course not, when did I say that?
I'm comparing the current situation with previous ones about
wallpapers that also included blogs, and I'm also considering
the size
And I'm not talking about the articles themselves, I'm talking about the
comments since that was the rationale for the bug and the follow-up
consolidate!
If I'm to mention about the articles, did anyone verify if it was indeed
the final wallpaper? It might well be! But, did anyone verify?
This reply is still going to the list because it concerns the
transparency of the design process as a whole and is not
restricted to OMG-related issues.
(in my opinion)
If you don't agree, it's going to be my last. Can you point to
another list which would be more adequate?
UIF mention of the
Oops.
Only after sending my last message I realized
Vish replied only to me.
Sorry about that and please ignore it.
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I agree with the auto-hide to save screen space, but having it
reappear on proximity would be a pain - it shares space with most web
pages navigation bar, so it would often get in the middle of browsing.
A better option for a hidden bar is the one supported by Firefox
Mobile (Fennec). The
Hello,
So I've been thinking: a big problem with the Me Menu
comes from the fact that there is not an universally
recognized word for the act of microblogging. There
are tweets, dents, and Facebook made the rather
poor choice of using status updates (increasing
the confusion with IMs)
One thing
I think this does quite a lot for clearing up the purpose of that field.
But if you just look at that without prior/external knowledge, you still
would have to ask: Say where? To whom?
I agree. In fact, seconds after sending the mockup I wondered if it
wouldn't confuse users into thinking it
Yes, the broadcast field is certainly a learnable feature in the
MeMenu.
It will make publishing your current thought to the world very
comfortable, i'm sure.
But please somebody help me understand why i have a field to publicly
log my thoughts next to IM presence status settings, while i
I still think it's unclear what that text box does. I made a quick
mockup which adds some text to the text boxes, explaining what they
are supposed to do. This text goes away when the text box is
activated. The social networking text box says Post Twitter
message... when the Twitter icon is
Actually I was suggesting we *don't* use different icons for the
MeMenu title and menu items. While colour would be useful as it's used
elsewhere (eg Empathy client) it conflicts with the specific meaning
colour has in the menu bar. And using mixed monochromatic/colour icons
for the menu's
In due course, similar capabilities will be added. But for the moment
it's minimalist.
Here's me hoping that those similar capabilities will be implemented
in a neat d-bus service way which follows an app-independent protocol,
thus closing one of the most common complaints against the current
Le dimanche 27 juin 2010 à 21:59 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth a écrit :
On 23/06/10 14:37, Conscious User wrote:
If I understood correctly, James was suggesting *keeping* the panel
monochromatic
but giving colors to the MeMenu items. It makes sense: the colors in
this case
New panel applets were introduced to the newer versions of
Ubuntu. They improved the experience, because of their
features, but they also created some inconsistencies in the
GNOME Panel. If I remember correctly, it used to be that only
the Menu Bar
A Twitter client is what I had in mind when I specified that the API
should let applications attach a count to the application item itself
(...)
If there are multiple accounts, then it might show a separate item for
each account:
(...)
It might also have separate items for @replies, direct
When you're still upgrading the 'reboot required' notification is
already showing up in the session indicator at the right top of the
screen. This happens at least during release upgrades.
However, rebooting when the system is installing something is not the
best idea, so maybe the updater
Le samedi 19 juin 2010 à 07:30 -0700, David Hamm a écrit :
is it possible to wake from sleep and hibernate after a set time?
I don't know about Linux, but if I remember correctly
Windows 7 has such feature, so in terms of hardware
it seems possible.
We'll have to think about that :-)
Suggestions? Show the ones that most recently changed status?
I think that would introduce an unpredictability factor
that a lot of users wouldn't like.
Like it happens with the panel, I think we should consider
that even without the space problem there is
erm...Windicator Priorities?
I personally prefer not having to choose when there's excess.
I'm in favor of not allowing excess, period.
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Now, moving on with the discussion itself:
Real shortly then: broken but not-yet-replaceable applications needs
two things from their indicators:
1. to be able to interact left/right click etc
2. to be able to be seen at all times
Instead of keeping the notification area *exactly* as it
With help from Ted Gould of the DX team, I have now (mostly) finished a
specification for windicators, with a few examples.
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ayatana/Windicators
Nice work.
I don't know if you simply consider this too obvious, but I think there
should be a guideline recommending that
So far, these just seem to be menus, but with an optional icon instead
of text. So I have to ask: Why don't these belong in the regular
application menu bar?
guess
The windicators will also be able to use the icons
to show status, like panel indicators do.
/guess
I had filed a bug report on this issue:
https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-applet/+bug/519553
I, too, have seen the negative effects of it at this point. It hasn't
been as pronounced as my original doomsday prediction, but it is
troubling.
To be honest I'm not
Kristoffer, calm down.
This is a brainstorm phase. None of the ideas proposed so far were
proposed in the most polished form possible, and there are many other
possible ideas to consider.
It is a little bit premature to conclude that keeping the notification
area exactly as it is for Wine apps
A massive portion of Ubuntu users use Wine or Java apps to some
degree. If we are trying to improve usability, how would relegating
non-application-indicator-conforming apps to floating windows improve
a user's experience compared to the current situation of having the
(empty most of the
How about a middle-ground compromise? Not using a full blown
window,
but putting the Wine tray icons inside an indicator menu.
Horrible mockup attached for illustration.
I thought about that, but AFAIK you can't have right clicking
Plus, with this mockup, you need an inidicator icon/menu for each
class of application that might put things in the notification area?
No. Just for the corner cases that cannot use libappindicator and
never will, like Wine and Java. Are there any other besides those
two?
All other classes of
But try something different. Try bringing up the normal Gwibber window,
with the other messages dimmed and that message not dimmed. Or the
normal Gwibber window scrolled to the message in question.
The dimming idea is interesting and could be applied to multiple
streams if at least one of
Le mercredi 09 juin 2010 à 17:44 +0200, dani planas armangue a écrit :
I've recently been looking at changes in the art of ubuntu (light themes
and new icons) and I think you are doing things wrong.
topics you are only basing the color palette rather than usability:
-colors to
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