Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator message weighting

is, of course, but then again we could pop up a dialog box for each new email, too ;) So, err, back on topic: If it isn't trouble, it may be worthwhile to look at how Maemo does it and at any discussions which have arisen around that functionality, rather than duplicate any efforts.

Re: [Ayatana] problems with messaging indicator and workflow

> I think this is where the greatest potential for saving systray space comes > from. I'm working on a blog post on this (since it's hard to point at > pictures on a mailing list). When I looked through the stuff on my systray > and thought, "what do I really not want there/wouldn't mind if it

Re: [Ayatana] "Power information" notifications

same thing can only confuse people. (And for that matter, break one of the goals of having icons: consistent visual hints). Good luck, Dylan McCall PS: On a related note, I discovered just a second ago that pressing the battery level button on my wireless keyboard now triggers a battery lev

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login

good way to do it). I also really love the gift icon. It's cute and meaningful. Although it may be better suited to notification about new releases :) -- Dylan McCall signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___

Re: [Ayatana] [Bug 410220] Re: Indicator applet Always shows icon

w about a sub menu of "Message Sources" that has a list of toggleable menu items? What happens if the user disables all message sources so that the indicator applet vanishes? Thanks, Dylan McCall signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___

Re: [Ayatana] Regarding Notify-OSD's Position in Karmic Koala

> Theory is useful, but it also helps to have actual time spent > (i.e. a few weeks to get used to it) with various options. That's what > we'll do in Lucid, we'll try the bottom right and get some real > experience with it. We may try the centerline again (popular as that was > :-)). And by the en

Re: [Ayatana] Hiding shortcut keys in menus

http://bugzilla-attachments.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=151627) Doing the same for Human and other themes may be pretty straight-forward and wouldn't create an unnecessary delta with upstream. Bye, Dylan McCall ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.ne

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Jim Rorie wrote: > Agreed.  Currently it's not obvious which state it's in on laptops on > battery.  The green color was better, at least the state had better > contrast.  But for people with a color deficit, the green isn't obvious. > The icon needs to change in s

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

On 3/19/10, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > On 19/03/10 02:22, Dylan McCall wrote: >> This begs the question: Why on Earth was the coloured wants-attention >> icon dropped? Could indicator-messages differentiate the importance of >> events and use a different icon accordingly? (

Re: [Ayatana] indicator applet problem.

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Ted Gould wrote: > On Tue, 2010-03-23 at 19:11 +0100, dani planas armangue wrote: >> hi,indicators are a great adoption. but have one problem (integrated, >> mail, chat, diffusion accounts, etc. ..) and when you reach a new >> message does not know which category y

Re: [Ayatana] "Less is more" a look at evolution

On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 16:13 +, Shane Fagan wrote: > Hi all, > > I thought id look at evolution after reading Mark's post. Oh and id like > to make a quick notes, > > 1. I hate most menu structures, a lot of the programs in Gnome tend to > repeat either what is in the main UI or in the prefere

Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Proposal of new UI element for windows in Ubuntu: Esfera

2010/3/26 Mark Shuttleworth > > Hi folks > > Got this interesting proposal from Pablo, and thought it should be sent to > the list rather than handled in private correspondence. It reminds me of > something David Siegel was sketching out, also inspired by the challenge of > "how we can make the

Re: [Ayatana] Restart required indicator

On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 8:19 PM, David Balch wrote: > Hi, > > I really like that the power icon goes red when a restart is required > - good job! > > A further refinement would be to make the "Restart required..." text > in the menu red as well, to tie the meaning of the icon colour to the > menu

Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu Light system sounds

On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Frederik Nnaji wrote: > Hi Chris > i'm loving the sounds "device-connect-3" and "device-disconnect-3" > can you recommend an easy way of assigning these sounds for their respective > events? > > System>Preferences>Sound doesn't yield anything helpful to me in curr

Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: CHI Day 4 continued

On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Jim Rorie wrote: > Since stereo is pretty much standard, sound could be routed to different > channels depending on which side of the screen action occurs on.  Or > perhaps which monitor you are on.  It would help in tracking down those > pesky windows that run in

Re: [Ayatana] Farewell to the notification area

Thanks for all the awesome explanations! I left a question in the comments at design.canonical.com, and I have a few other thoughts. First of all, I think it would be worth investigating sound effects attached to indicators. Doing it through the indicator applet means we can (if desired) use Canb

Re: [Ayatana] Farewell to the notification area

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 7:25 AM, Frederik Nnaji wrote: > security is nothing for a visual internet designer to be concerned about. I'm mostly in agreement with you there, Frederik. I do think UI design has a role to play in security (in particular, we can't make the user tired of the concept), bu

Re: [Ayatana] Unexpected close functionality

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Jan Claeys wrote: > Op dinsdag 27-04-2010 om 12:57 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Shane > Fagan: >> > I think because these particular apps are designed to run in the >> > background and are used often when multitasking, we should keep the >> > close button minimiz

Re: [Ayatana] Reducing Resistance to Change

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Mario Vukelic wrote: > But as I mentioned, the facilities are in place to display information > *right at install* of a change. They just usually are not used. And I'm > not talking about complete release notes (which are published on the > website for each milest

Re: [Ayatana] Windicators

On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Tyler Brainerd wrote: > I disagree. I think it will only be good for the user if we have > consistent rules in the windicator area. Many mans can be moved their > for simplification of control. I'm thinking we'll see a huge explosion > of using rolled up windows aga

[Ayatana] dx-m-indicator-sound feedback

Hi, I was listening to the dx-m-indicator-sound session at UDS-M. I'm really looking forward to the work on this now! (Although I couldn't find the Gobby document). Kudos for using existing specifications (eg: MPRIS) for all of this! It goes a long way. Has some decision been reached on how the

[Ayatana] Pretty mockups with darkly coloured progress dialogs (was: File transfer dialog behaviour)

On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Frederik Nnaji wrote: > Hi David, your mockup looks pretty.. becoming more like a hybrid between our > notification bubbles and and interactive progress indication dialog.. > i like the visual  this is taking! > Come to think of it, I recall some recent talk upstr

Re: [Ayatana] Criticism of Client Side Window Decorations

On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 21:05 +0530, Akshat Jain wrote: > Link Copy-Pasta > http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2010/05/why-you-should-not-use-client-side-window-decorations/ > http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2010/05/follow-up-on-client-side-decorations/ > > This guy named Martin Gräßlin is

Re: [Ayatana] Criticism of Client Side Window Decorations

On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Frederik Nnaji wrote: > hi sam > > On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 03:41, Sam Spilsbury wrote: >> >> So the window controls are essentially invisible unless you play a >> hide an seek game with your mouse? I don't understand why you'd want >> this - and it requires some f

Re: [Ayatana] ApplicationIndicators design decision and its application to Rhythmbox

Hi Gaëtan, The plan is to kill off the idea that an indicator "owns" a window. At some point soon, people shouldn't need or want to think about showing & hiding open windows from an indicator; the point is strictly to control them and get quick feedback. not everything has been moved to this new

Re: [Ayatana] Tabs

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 7:05 AM, Tyler Brainerd wrote: > Haha. I guess what I'm getting at is theres plenty of apps (like Empathy) > that have tabs available, but they work on different rules. Not to mention > that some apps are on top, others on bottom, some are full featured tabs, > some are con

Re: [Ayatana] Tabs

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Joern Konopka wrote: > Hi  everybody, > first off, let me just clarify what Dylan said for Frederik: > "Are you saying that e.g. Firefox should have a seperate, different sidebar > for each tab that is open? Please apply your theory to how Firefox should > rather h

Re: [Ayatana] Evolution

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy Nickurak wrote: > I for one have sort of checked out of the evolution design conversation, > because Evolution's poor IMAP performance makes it largely unusable with > large IMAP folders, especially Gmail ones with thousands upon thousands of > emails. I'm

Re: [Ayatana] No "application bucket" needed

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:38 AM, David Hamm wrote: > Close=quit, some apps could just minimize to tray by default (music > player). The music tray would already provide more function then the > taskbar, no reason to minimize it there. That doesn't make sense to me. How, then, do we differentiate

Re: [Ayatana] Sudoku: Let's try a heuristic usability evaluation

I have built up somewhat a list for this one. Sorry, couldn't help but throw some suggestions in. Feel free to ignore them :) Upon loading the application, I am presented with a very spartan screen. That in itself is not an issue. However… Using an icon grid to present game modes / saved games is

Re: [Ayatana] Papercut or not? Bug #495403 in On e Hundred Paper Cuts: “Do not raise windows o r dialogs without user input”

I, err, have to jump in here and say Please, If you're going to do anything with when windows are raised, raise them more aggressively! Or fix how windows that aren't raised are handled; right now they are completely muted. One of favourite horrible things: choosing to show a window via an indicat

Re: [Ayatana] Sound menu mockups(Daniel.p)

First, to your question: > - This menu has to be extensible to banshee too. The plan, mentioned on the wiki page, is to use the MPRIS specification. It should support any media player that supports that specification. I still think controlling individual app volumes could be rather heavy, especia

Re: [Ayatana] Putting some brakes on the enthusiasm

On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 3:07 AM, Conscious User wrote: > > Hey all, > > I want to finally write something I've meant to write for a long time. > … Really well said :) One issue I have is NotifyOSD _feels_ done, but indeed the project does not meet the design. If I look under Blueprints for notify

Re: [Ayatana] What do to about right-clicking on the indicator-applet?

On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Conscious User wrote: > > In application menus, the behavior is the same for left-clicking and > right-clicking: both open the same menu. For indicator applets, the > right click invokes the menu with the applet options, like locking, > moving and removing. > > Thi

Re: [Ayatana] dx-m-indicator-sound feedback

On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Frederik Nnaji wrote: > On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 16:48, Matthew Paul Thomas > wrote: >> >> It's just a menu, it's not reinventing the audio system. Ah, of course. Thanks :) I was mainly worried that there _was_ reinvention going on, so I'm happy to know that noth

Re: [Ayatana] Windicators

On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Roth Robert wrote on 03/05/10 13:22: >>... >> Starting a new topic to discuss the suggestions, comments, ideas >> regarding the windicators >>

Re: [Ayatana] Secure Identity Design

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Martin Owens wrote: > Dear Ayatana, > > Myself and a few others have been working on a concept to improve the > functionality and ease of use of the gpg key system we use. This project > code named starfish[1] would be hopefully something average users can > disco

[Ayatana] Yet another discussion on window resizing

Here is yet another discussion on resizing windows, this time driven by status bars! MacOS has a similar situation to us, with very narrow window borders. In its case, they don't even _try_ to offer resizing by the window edge. (The idea being, I suppose, that any control less than five pixels in

Re: [Ayatana] Should we change how/when Release Notes are displayed?

On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > As far as I know, no-one has ever decided what Ubuntu's release notes > are for, who should read them, or when. I can definitely see that. However, I have noticed that ubuntu.com rarely mentions the release notes nowadays. For a fresh

Re: [Ayatana] Condensed menuitems

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Cody Russell wrote: > Jorge Castro just pinged me and showed me the following: > http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2010/06/google-chrome-tests-unified-menu.html > Kind of interesting, and I thought I'd post it to the list (if it hasn't > already been posted) and se

Re: [Ayatana] Some thoughts about unclutter

On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 3:26 PM, David Callé wrote: > As a non native english speaker, this mail won't be long. I will just > share some assertions that I believe being true for a vast majority of > users. > > 1) When I see my mouse cursor on my desktop, it means my computer is > ready for action.

Re: [Ayatana] General System Responsiveness

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:41 AM, Scott E. Armitage wrote: > On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 4:39 AM, Luke Benstead wrote: >> >> The other issue is that if some app starts accessing the hard disc / use >> some CPU, everything seems to stop completely. Just now I ran some updates >> while trying to type th

Re: [Ayatana] Keyring passwords

On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Dieki N wrote: > Currently, Ubuntu will by default require the user's login password when a > program (Empathy or Gwibber, for instance) attempts to access the system > keyring, unless the user entered her\his password when logging in. I'm > guessing this was done f

[Ayatana] Sound indicator position indicator and scope

Hi! I am a little concerned about the position indicator in Maverick's sound indicator at the moment. The part that bothers me is it produces a lot of noise to communicate something that really doesn't strike me as very important. Borrowing Mark's screenshot… http://www.markshuttleworth.com/wp-c

Re: [Ayatana] Messaging menu - telepathy-indicator

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Ken VanDine wrote: > I have been working on telepathy-indicator, as a replacement for the > current empathy patch we have been maintaining for messaging menu > integration. > > I have hit a couple of issues, which I think make it not practical to > get into Maveric

Re: [Ayatana] Global Menu

On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 5:16 AM, Andrew Laignel wrote: > It seems to me, UI wise anyway, that there is a movement away from having a > traditional program menu.  The most recent browsers (FF, Chrome, IE) have > buried it and in applications such as media players and basic photo managers > it's als

Re: [Ayatana] Browser Offline Message

On Mon, 2010-08-16 at 17:13 -0400, Martin Owens wrote: > Hello Designers, > > I have just got back from an Ubuntu user's office where their Ubuntu > computer 'didn't work at all'. It turns out that the networking checkbox > was unchecked and the computer was simply offline. > > Before I fixed it

Re: [Ayatana] Sound menu slider interaction

On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Jan-Christoph Borchardt wrote: > Why does clicking on the bar make the slider move in that direction > and not to that specific point? > > I can’t imagine how often I accidentally turned the music to the > loudest level and was really embarrassed. Other players I

Re: [Ayatana] unity and notifications

On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Apoorva Sharma wrote: > I went ahead and made a mockup of my "notification in the panel" idea, > borrowing heavily from what android does. I've attached an animated gif > showing a basic notification popping up. > > I want to make it clear that the entire panel doe

Re: [Ayatana] Audial notifications.

> Maybe. And people always have the option of playing a sound via pulseaudio > directly, or with libcanberra. > > I would however argue that 99% of the time, if you want an audio > *notification*, you probably  want a messaging menu item, *AND* a notify-osd > notification too. > > Like notify-osd b

Re: [Ayatana] Audial notifications.

There's a very timely and interesting discussion ready to happen on Gnome's desktop-devel mailing list, too. You may be interested in where it goes. I know I am! http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2010-September/msg00044.html Dylan ___ Ma

Re: [Ayatana] persistent awareness

Salomon Sickert worked on this area with a Summer of Code 2010 project for Gnome. Lots and lots of information in the wiki page: http://live.gnome.org/SummerOfCode2010/SalomonSickert_Tasks This presents a nice opportunity to eliminate a lot of duplicated effort. Dylan ___

Re: [Ayatana] Put a resize widget in the title bar

This is already the case with the border on the top in the Ambiance and Radiance themes. Unfortunately, Compiz, doesn't understand that bit of the window theme. If you run Metacity (disable “desktop effects”) you will be pleasantly surprised. This was also the case with the border on the bottom, b

Re: [Ayatana] Put a resize widget in the title bar

On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 3:30 PM, David Hamm wrote: > screenshot of it in action by chance? There are some screenshots on mclasen's blog: http://blogs.fedoraproject.org/wp/mclasen/2010/10/09/getting-a-grip/ I remain uneasy about having window controls in the client, but it's a definite step up fro

Re: [Ayatana] [ubuntu-art] Meerkat volume control design

>> In other cases, however, an active choice was clearly made but that >> choice doesn't address the element's purpose.  Why should a volume >> control menu be labelled "Mute"?  Etc. >>... > > Because that's exactly what the item does. (If the speakers are already > muted, it says "Unmute".) The i

Re: [Ayatana] Messaging Menu and the MeMenu

> Do you have any reason to think that's true? How does Chrome OS notify > people of new mail? How does it notify people of new Twitter updates? This is a little off topic, and complete speculation, but we can look at Chrome's current direction to get an idea there. On the desktop, it uses the new

Re: [Ayatana] "fileless" paradigm

On 2010-12-16 7:34 AM, "femorandeira" wrote: > > > On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 14:14:12 +0100, Roberto Guido wrote: >> >> I think enforcing "search" against "browsing" could be a good >> compromise [...] >> >> If massively used and integrated in >> the DE, the user could forget folders and just search wh

Re: [Ayatana] Desktop Silent Mode

With regards to presence stuff, wasn't there some talk about merging the Me menu and the Message menu? How would that relate here? (And, on that same topic: there's some talk right now about the presence options disabling themselves when offline. The Me / Messages merge would fix the big blocker fo

Re: [Ayatana] Regarding the Sound Menu Spec's closing of inactive audio applications

> The close button's purpose has been obfuscated because of the systray and > now it's been even furthur confused. Close /should/ close the program - > however, invoking the close button to do different actions depending on the > state of the program does not follow any sensical design - it has bur

Re: [Ayatana] Windicators

On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 7:24 PM, appi2...@gmail.com wrote: > … > Now that I think about it, I see little need for windicators - they offer > little benefits, and pose many design problems. :/ On the topic of possible design problems, I would like to relate another discussion here: that of window

[Ayatana] Messaging / terminology questions

ting the latest version of the installer slideshow for Ubuntu (revision 321), seen here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~dylanmccall/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/preview/ Thank you! Dylan McCall ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@l

Re: [Ayatana] Design problem: Menus hidden by default in Unity

> After several weeks of trying, last week I finally succeeded in > installing Natty to test Unity. > > I was disappointed to see that in Unity, menus are invisible until you > mouse over where they are supposed to be. For a window, until you mouse > over it, the space reserved for its menus is tak

Re: [Ayatana] Indicator-sound and highlighting the track on mouseover

On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Marco Biscaro wrote: > Nice idea about the notify bubble! +1 > > At moment, this functionality is really impossible to discover... I'm still pretty concerned about having this feature at all, because it destroys data. (The data being whatever you have copied). If

Re: [Ayatana] Merging libindicate into libnotify

> The existence of libindicate is something that has always > bothered me. The not-necessarily-immediate-response case > is a common scenario required by a significative number of > applications, and requiring those applications to support > an extra library (and thus extra patching for working in

Re: [Ayatana] New natty scrollbar issues

2011/4/11 Martín Soto : > On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Mitja Pagon > wrote: >> >> I see this scrollbars as another solution in search of a problem to solve >> and in the process introducing more problems than it solves.  When will >> people realize that this is not the right approach to do th

Re: [Ayatana] Dynamic menu items

On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Shane Fagan wrote: > Hey all, > > I have a hard to explain idea so read it and ask questions if you > don't understand what I mean :) > > I was looking at the stuff in the menu bars of applications and I was > wondering if there is something you use a lot would the

Re: [Ayatana] Unity panel should be a subset of Gnome

On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Swapnil Chitnis wrote: > Now many of us are Microsoft haters. One of the most significant note of the > Windows UI is that you have to learn all over again for each new operating > system. And that's what I love in Linux and Ubuntu in particular. Now here > attach

[Ayatana] Website branding and the mothership header

I am working on some tweaks for harvest.ubuntu.com's template to bring it in line with the Ubuntu branding. The Planet and the Wiki both have a white bar above the banner for links to other Ubuntu websites; Ubuntu.com, Community, Support and Partners. I'm wondering how this works, and where I can f

Re: [Ayatana] Alt Tab User Experience

> Right. > > The reason for this is because applications don't provide high > resolution thumbnails in their _NET_WM_ICON property. So we have to > use the low-res one. I believe that KDE 4 applications provide hi-res > icons, and GNOME 3 actually matches the .desktop file to the > application. Thi

[Ayatana] Unity and Gtk Application menus

Gnome Shell makes use of a single application menu that is always present in the top bar. It gets its contents via GtkApplication. In the current stable version nothing really uses it, but for GNOME 3.2 that will probably be changing. For example, a mockup for GNOME Contacts has an application menu

Re: [Ayatana] Middle Click Feature For Indicators

> It is available for application indicators, and it's governed rather > simply.  The action has to be a visible menu item that is in the menu. > If you hide it, it doesn't work.  If you remove it, it doesn't work. > This way the middle click always remains a power user feature, but not a > hidden

Re: [Ayatana] The new Orange-Ubuntu-Button on the Launcher

I'm sure it's getting a different style at some point, but the use of the Ubuntu logo seems a little odd to me with it in the launcher. I'm already running Ubuntu, so why would I click to run it again? It kind of works against the feel of the launcher at the moment. Would something like a Plus sign

Re: [Ayatana] What should Unity look like on Smartphones and Tablets?

On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ian Santopietro wrote: > At UDS-P, Mark announced his plans to have Ubuntu on Tablets, phones, > and TVs by 14.04 LTS. You can start too early! > > http://i.imgur.com/56vDn.jpg > > I'd like feedback from the Ayatana community on the design. Is there > anything that

Re: [Ayatana] Notifications in unity

On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Conscious User wrote: > The most obvious one is the ugly gap when no synchronous notification > is being shown. But I personally think that making synchronous and > asynchronous informations have the same appearance and positioning > is a mistake by itself. That

Re: [Ayatana] Global Menu mockups for Unity

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Farran Lee wrote: > Hi guys, > > I've not been involved in a mailing list for several years now, so I > apologise in advance if I do things wrong! > Also sorry if this is the wrong place to post this - I put them on a bug > report list a while ago, and somebody sugg