Re: [Ayatana] Getting rolling for 9.10

On Saturday 18 April 2009 13:14, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > Hi folks > > This is the right spot for proposals and discussions for the next round > of evolution of the notification guidelines behind Notify-OSD and the > Messaging Menu. The best format for proposals is probably mockups and > specs on

Re: [Ayatana] Getting rolling for 9.10

On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:46:17 +0100 David Barth wrote: > ... Could you coordinate with your "masked" developer friend to represent him at the Summit. ... You are being too subtle for me here perhaps, unless perhaps you think I'm acting as a sock puppet for Aaron Seigo (since I referenced his ma

Re: [Ayatana] Getting rolling for 9.10

> Scott Kitterman wrote: >> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:46:17 +0100 David Barth >> >> wrote: >> >>> ... Could you coordinate with your "masked" developer friend to >>> represent >>> >> him at the Summit. ... >> >> You a

Re: [Ayatana] Getting rolling for 9.10

> On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 17:48 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: >> So to get things started, I'd like to suggest Messaging Menu integrated >> into >> the systray via the new protocol as an Ayatana objective for Karmic. To >> assist in this effort, another commun

Re: [Ayatana] Getting rolling for 9.10

> On Thursday 23 April 2009 05:42:02 pm Ted Gould wrote: >> On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 17:48 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: >> > So to get things started, I'd like to suggest Messaging Menu >> integrated >> > into the systray via the new protocol as an Ayatana objec

Re: [Ayatana] Getting rolling for 9.10

Celeste Lyn Paul wrote: > >> On Thursday 23 April 2009 05:42:02 pm Ted Gould wrote: >> > On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 17:48 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: >> > > So to get things started, I'd like to suggest Messaging Menu >> integrated >> > > into the s

Re: [Ayatana] Getting rolling for 9.10

> On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 00:27 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: >> > On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 17:48 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: >> >> So to get things started, I'd like to suggest Messaging Menu >> integrated >> >> into >> >> the systray via

Re: [Ayatana] How should we unify notification handling? (was Re: Thoughts on notify-osd API)

> David Barth wrote: > >> fade_in/out and show/hide should be reconsidered. The Plasma API should >> help make that more generic. > > Depending on how we want to unify notification handling, we may or may > not need to use the Plasma API: I thought the goal was about the user experience? I'd like

Re: [Ayatana] How should we unify notification handling? (was Re: Thoughts on notify-osd API)

> Scott Kitterman wrote: >>> David Barth wrote: >>> >>>> fade_in/out and show/hide should be reconsidered. The Plasma API >>>> should >>>> help make that more generic. >>> Depending on how we want to unify notification handling, we

Re: [Ayatana] Getting rolling for 9.10

> On Friday 24 April 2009 12:50:52 am Ted Gould wrote: > >> I guess I feel that it would need to be in the systray if we wanted it >> to be consistent with other things in the systray. But, correct me if >> I'm wrong, there are other things in the KDE panel besides the systray. >> It seems like we

Re: [Ayatana] How about developing a spec for all DE's and implement a common low-level API...

> So basically all messages *would *be unified based on the fact that it is > using whatever means the DE already has in place? I like the idea of > passing off the display to the system. However, it still leaves the > question > of which means on KDE to utilize though, correct? SysTray or Plasmo

Re: [Ayatana] How about developing a spec for all DE's and implement a common low-level API...

> I see what you mean Scott, but by consistency I simply meant same messages > in the fashion that DE's user is used to seeing them in. Whether KDE or > Gnome, the messages that are passed should be the same context, displayed > according to that DE's notifications standard. Thanks for clarificat

Re: [Ayatana] Getting rolling for 9.10

> On Friday 24 April 2009 10:54:02 am Scott Kitterman wrote: >> > On Friday 24 April 2009 12:50:52 am Ted Gould wrote: >> >> I guess I feel that it would need to be in the systray if we wanted >> it >> >> to be consistent with other things in the systr

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator message weighting

On Sun, 10 May 2009 16:14:25 -0500 Ted Gould wrote: >On Sat, 2009-05-09 at 22:19 +0300, Natan Yellin wrote: > >> Mike is sitting at his computer and working in Inkscape when several >> emails arrive. In the past, Mike has clicked on the indicator icon to >> get rid of the dot but has always ignore

Re: [Ayatana] problems with messaging indicator and workflow

On Sun, 10 May 2009 16:17:56 -0500 Ted Gould wrote: >On Sat, 2009-05-09 at 10:43 -0700, Jordan Mantha wrote: >> So in the end for me, user-to-user messaging was just fine for me >> before the indicator applet and so I've removed it, but system-to-user >> messaging could *definitely* use an indicat

Re: [Ayatana] Things I have noticed

On Monday 11 May 2009 13:06, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > We won't bring actions back, even if a patch is contributed to do so. > The user experience of "racing to click on the action" is fundamentally > broken, and can't be fixed even though many people will clamour for it. > So, actions require com

[Ayatana] Getting users to care (was Re: [Fwd: Re: Update manager])

On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:40:12 +0530 mac_v wrote: ... >It is accepted that the icon is NOT very useful and also ignored ... I have to disagree. This has been repeatedly asserted, but I don't recall any actual studies that support this. This change has been overwhelmingly negatively received by

Re: [Ayatana] Getting users to care (was Re: [Fwd: Re: Update manager])

On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:31:54 +0200 Martín Soto wrote: >This is the reason why I was asking >Scott to produce some explicit evidence, because, so far, I have the >impression he's mostly speaking based on his own feelings. I may be wrong >about this, of course. > You are. I have tried to monitor a

Re: [Ayatana] System / hardware indicator

> > Ted Gould has been a proponent of a system / hardware indicator, and > I've been working on how to handle things like USB-unmount and > Bluetooth-connect and am coming round to the idea. What do you guys > think? If there's support for the idea, we could do a round of design > work and present

Re: [Ayatana] What most people would find useful (was: Re: Updates on Login )

On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:45:39 -0700 Jonathan Marsden wrote: >Joshua Blount wrote: > >> It may be a good idea, as David suggested, to look past our personal >> user stories, and look for what most people would find useful. > >"Most useful" here is probably somewhat synonymous with "least >surpris

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login

On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:46:19 -0400 Joshua Blount wrote: >On 07/06/2009 08:21 PM, David Siegel wrote: >> >> >> Mark Shuttleworth wrote: >>> Alex Launi wrote: On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 4:03 AM, Mark Shuttleworth >>> > wrote: Updates-on-login are interesting,

Re: [Ayatana] notify-osd + fullscreen + multiple monitors

On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:49:16 +0100 Mark Shuttleworth wrote: ... >In this initiative, I want us to take a different approach. We will strip away non-essential decisions from the user experience, at the cost of flexibility in the final product. For me, that's not a bug, it's a feature, though I

Re: [Ayatana] notify-osd + fullscreen + multiple monitors

On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 06:44:33 +0100 Mark Shuttleworth wrote: >Scott Kitterman wrote: >> On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:49:16 +0100 Mark Shuttleworth >> wrote: >> ... >> >>> In this initiative, I want us to take a different approach. We will strip >>>

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login

On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 11:12:24 +0530 mac_v wrote: >So is there a way to mark the packages which require reboot , and Not >start them during the boot , but to update them and this would just >*delay the boot by a few seconds during which the present icon is shown* > The current mechanism involves to

Re: [Ayatana] Pleasant Updates for karmic - Papercut

On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 14:41:08 +0200 Alex Launi wrote: >Except that this totally fails to solve the problem of people not installing updates. Yes, for ScottK, and most of us this would be ideal, we get off on updates. My family, however, would (just like with the notification icon, as this is esse

Re: [Ayatana] [Bug 410220] Re: Indicator applet Always shows icon

On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:55:38 +0100 Mark Shuttleworth wrote: >For default apps which are not desired by the user, the preference to take them out of the menu will be in the app. Best we pick those defaults well And also best that these apps not require configuration prior to gaining access to t

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 12:58:37 +0530 mac_v wrote: >Anyone subscribed to the wiki page would realize that the messaging menu >specs are changed almost every other day[in the past couple of weeks]. >They seem to be testing it and trying to find a proper solution! I think >if we are a *little patient*

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 17:11:02 +0530 mac_v wrote: >On Sat, 2009-09-05 at 06:56 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: >> On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 12:58:37 +0530 mac_v wrote: >> >Anyone subscribed to the wiki page would realize that the messaging menu >> >specs are changed almost

Re: [Ayatana] Ayatana not in Ubuntu?

On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 13:54:06 -0400 Martin Owens wrote: >Hey Scott, > >I'm not sure I can agree with the following: > >On Sat, 2009-09-05 at 13:19 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: >> To be clear, Ayatana is not part of Ubuntu. I think it's new for >> Cano

Re: [Ayatana] Notification consistency

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:18:34 +0800 Chow Loong Jin wrote: > ... how >about making the actions optional? For example, don't show actions for >notify-osd users (where actions aren't supported), but show actions for >notification-daemon users, much like most of the other applications are doing. ...

Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu User Experience Guidelines

On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:59:57 +0800 Allan Caeg wrote: > >Borrowing heavily from the format and content of Google's UX principles >( http://www.google.com/corporate/ux.html ), below is my proposed draft >of the Ubuntu UX Guidelines. Before reading it, please keep in mind that >this (very) rough draf

Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu User Experience Guidelines

> -- Forwarded message -- > From: Allan Caeg > Date: Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 9:11 AM > Subject: Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu User Experience Guidelines > To: Scott Kitterman (top posting fixed) > On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 11:33 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: >> On Wed, 30

Re: [Ayatana] Question about Bug Reporting Tools in Ubuntu, from a design perspective...

On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 01:32:50 +0200 Alex Lourie wrote: >On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:55 PM, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > >> ajmctaggart wrote: >> >> My question is this, why do we need to login to Launchpad through our web >> browser to report these bugs? I feel it is extremely disruptive, especially

Re: [Ayatana] Question about Bug Reporting Tools in Ubuntu, from a design perspective...

On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 18:17:50 -0700 ajmctaggart wrote: >Leonov, Nice! >How easily would this integrate into bug reporting tools in the near future? > I don't have the impression that the project is very active at the moment. You might give \sh a ping and see if he's interested in help. Scott K

Re: [Ayatana] Collaborative design dilemma

On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:52:16 +0100 Mark Shuttleworth wrote: >I'm thinking that we need to create an invitation-only list (which is publicly archived) alongside this one. This is similar in concept to the ubuntu-devel and ubuntu-devel-discuss split that was controversial when it happened, but i

[Ayatana] Call for Ayatana input for Kubuntu Release Announcement

I'd like to extend an offer to Ayatana to have a section in the Kubuntu release announcement descrbing what you have brought to Kubuntu in this cycle. It would also be a good venue for exposing users to the experimental functions that were included. It will be on the Kubuntu web site, so we ca

Re: [Ayatana] Call for Ayatana input for Kubuntu Release Announcement

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:57:07 +0200 David Barth wrote: >Scott Kitterman wrote: >> I'd like to extend an offer to Ayatana to have a section in the Kubuntu >> release announcement descrbing what you have brought to Kubuntu in this >> cycle. It would also be a good venue

Re: [Ayatana] Possible security risk with update-manager

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:14:33 +0530 mac_v wrote: >Why is updating harmful? Aernt the Stable release updates supposed to be >pain-free? > That's an interesting theory. No system update is risk free. They should not be automatically imposed on users unless they have opted into such a scheme. A

Re: [Ayatana] Possible security risk with update-manager

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:26:30 +0100 "Fabian A. Scherschel" wrote: >On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:44 AM, mac_v wrote: > >> On Tue, 2009-12-15 at 09:15 +, Alan Pope wrote: >> > 2009/12/15 mac_v : >> > > Why ask the admin password? >> > > - Update manager is designed to be shown only for admin acco

Re: [Ayatana] Possible security risk with update-manager

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:31:37 -0500 "Scott E. Armitage" wrote: >I don't think that mac_v is proposing /automated/ updates, so much as he is >proposing that the current update scheme should not require the >administrator's password. The administrator would still be notified of new >updates as they

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

"Mike Rooney" wrote: >On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Jeremy Nickurak wrote: > >> We've been pushing this 'ethereal notification' idea for a long time. Has >> anybody outside Ubuntu picked up on it? Why or why not? Is it a direction >> that should be continued on, or is a course-change requir

Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Proposal of new UI element for windows in Ubuntu: Esfera

"David Siegel" wrote: >I think maximize, minimize, and close are taken for granted -- they're >unquestioned assumptions carried over from a dusty desktop computing past. >Frankly, I'm not convinced that any of these buttons are worth the price >paid by users in time spent thinking about how to

Re: [Ayatana] Farewell to the notification area

"Frederik Nnaji" wrote: >security is nothing for a visual internet designer to be concerned about. >we have a security team taking care of that, did anybody as *them*? This is completely wrong (even with your amendments). Security considerations must be embedded in all aspects of design. Sec

Re: [Ayatana] Farewell to the notification area

"David Siegel" wrote: >What does this have to do with the notification area changes? Please >continue this conversation elsewhere if you must. Let's all do our >part to keep Ayatana discussions on track. > I guess it depends on if you believe security is irrelevant to U/I design or not. Since

Re: [Ayatana] Is it time we killed "minimize to tray" ?

"Jeremy Nickurak" wrote: >On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 17:24, Jan Claeys wrote: > >> That option is still there in GNOME 2.30 (as included in Lucid). >> > >Nope. > >Early gnomes had (IIRC) 3 options for what to show on the taskbar: > >1) Show only windows from the current workspace >2) Show windows

Re: [Ayatana] Criticism of Client Side Window Decorations

"Akshat Jain" wrote: >Link Copy-Pasta >http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2010/05/why-you-should-not-use-client-side-window-decorations/ >http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2010/05/follow-up-on-client-side-decorations/ > >This guy named Martin Gräßlin is a hardcore KWin fan I think,looks

Re: [Ayatana] Criticism of Client Side Window Decorations

"Frederik Nnaji" wrote: >On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 17:48, Scott Kitterman wrote: > >> "Akshat Jain" wrote: >> >> >Link Copy-Pasta >> > >> http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2010/05/why-you-should-not-use-client-side-window-deco

Re: [Ayatana] Criticism of Client Side Window Decorations

>I've not been keeping a close eye on this discussion (so it may have >already been mentioned) but Mark Shuttleworth mentioned that CSD aren't >a requirement for windicators: > Yes, it's been brought up already. He said the same thing this week at the Ubuntu Developer Summit (UDS) in Brussels. T

Re: [Ayatana] Getting rid of Evolution?

"Martin Owens" wrote: >Of course if we do go about replacing Evolution, it's going to be an >awful lot of work. I know of people who would like to replace the >backend with couchdb, perhaps that's a place to start. I'd also mention >KDE's Akonadi services but they suffer much the same problems

Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Open Letter: The issues with client-side-window-decorations

Apologies to those that get this twice, I think I sent it with the wrong From the first time. On Friday, May 28, 2010 02:11:19 pm Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > Thanks to Martin for raising this issue here. Not sure why the list was > bouncing his mail, but it should let it through from me. Please ke

Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Open Letter: The issues with client-side-window-decorations

On Sunday, June 06, 2010 03:39:40 pm Ted Gould wrote: > On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 23:31 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > So I think it's worth continuing the conversation. I'm personally quite > > concerned that we are about to have a permanent split between GTK/Gnome >

Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Open Letter: The issues with client-side-window-decorations

Resending Martin's mail to the list since apparently his messages are still not getting through. Scott K On Monday, June 07, 2010 01:47:03 pm Martin Gräßlin wrote: > Am Montag 07 Juni 2010, 19:03:18 schrieb Ted Gould: > > I think that with increased popularity the speed of growth in the Linux >

Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Open Letter: The issues with client-side-window-decorations

Forwarding another that didn't seem to make it. On Monday, June 07, 2010 11:44:59 am Martin Gräßlin wrote: > Am Sonntag 06 Juni 2010, 21:39:40 schrieb Ted Gould: > > On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 23:31 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > > So I think it's worth continuing the c

Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Open Letter: The issues with client-side-window-decorations

On Monday, June 07, 2010 02:54:08 pm Ted Gould wrote: > On Mon, 2010-06-07 at 14:09 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > In plasma-netbook, we use a Kwin theme that does not include the > > application control buttons and embed them in and application control > > widget in the a

Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Open Letter: The issues with client-side-window-decorations

Continuing to proxy for Martin On Monday, June 07, 2010 03:07:32 pm Martin Gräßlin wrote: > Am Montag 07 Juni 2010, 20:54:02 schrieb Ted Gould: > > Ah, the ones on the previous link didn't have any. How does the > > application tell the window manager how to draw it's title bar with > > gene

Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Open Letter: The issues with client-side-window-decorations

Still forwarding on the assumption Martin's mail won't get through. "Martin Gräßlin" wrote: >Am Montag 07 Juni 2010, 20:54:06 schrieben Sie: >> No, it couldn't. Let's say my application is a 3-d app and when I hover >> over the toolbar button I want a "sparkler" style particle effect as the >>

Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Open Letter: The issues with client-side-window-decorations

"Ted Gould" wrote: >On Mon, 2010-06-07 at 15:01 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: >> Without CSD there is nothing to fix. I'd prefer not breaking things in the >> first place and that's one small point. I still don't know what you want >> out &

Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Open Letter: The issues with client-side-window-decorations

"Ted Gould" wrote: >On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 00:45 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: >> >On Tue, 2010-06-08 at 18:41 +0200, Martin Gräßlin wrote: >> >> As mentioned in my open letter: I want to help you. I am willing to spend >> >> my >> >>

Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Open Letter: The issues with client-side-window-decorations

Still proxying for Martin. On Wednesday, June 09, 2010 01:02:14 pm Martin Gräßlin wrote: > Am Mittwoch 09 Juni 2010, 06:13:17 schrieb Ted Gould: > > Cool, that is great! But, I'm worried that we're approaching this from > > different assumptions. My reaction there is "let's figure out how to > >

Re: [Ayatana] [Fwd: Re: Fwd: Open Letter: The issues with client-side-window-decorations]

Once again forwarding for Martin. On Wednesday, June 09, 2010 05:19:06 pm Martin Gräßlin wrote: > Am Mittwoch 09 Juni 2010, 20:48:39 schrieb Cody Russell: > > Anyway, I just wanted to comment on this statement and point out that > > this is not a hugely difficult problem to solve with some coopera

Re: [Ayatana] Putting some brakes on the enthusiasm

"David Hamm" wrote: >and that, ladies and gentlemen is why Mark is Awesome. > Could we leave the fanboi stuff off and just deal with the actual issues please. Scott K ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.l

Re: [Ayatana] How do I know when I'm connected to the network successfully?

"Mark Shuttleworth" wrote: > >Just so folks are clear on direction: > > - we would like to move to Connection Manager ("connman") in due >course, for its cleaner, more pluggable, testable and maintainable >architecture > - we have a detailed, signed-off design for the indicator associated >with

Re: [Ayatana] How do I know when I'm connected to the network successfully?

"Tyler Brainerd" wrote: >On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > >> >> >> "Mark Shuttleworth" wrote: >> >> > >> >Just so folks are clear on direction: >> > >> > - we would like to mov

Re: [Ayatana] Farewell to the notification area

"Frederik Nnaji" wrote: >> >> Real shortly then: broken but not-yet-replaceable applications needs two >> things from their indicators: >> >> 1. to be able to interact left/right click etc >> 2. to be able to be seen at all times >> >> That's it. Otherwise they break the *experience*. As descr

Re: [Ayatana] Secure Identity Design

"David Hamm" wrote: >"Making friends with others" This "Starfish" sounds like a much bigger and >more important feature then at first thought. Is this going to >be integrated into ubuntu one? > >One of the best things since buttered toast is being able to sync user >information across platforms

Re: [Ayatana] [Starfish-team] Secure Identity Design

"Paul Tagliamonte" wrote: >On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: >> >> >> "David Hamm" wrote: >> >>>"Making friends with others" This "Starfish" sounds like a much bigger and >>>more impor

Re: [Ayatana] Updating UI issues

"Matthew Paul Thomas" wrote: >-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >Hash: SHA1 > >David Hamm wrote on 21/06/10 16:28: >>... >> On a more professional note. Android recently added a check box to all >> apps in their "software center" to allow updates without confirmation. >> Despite security advoc

Re: [Ayatana] Updating UI issues

"Matthew Paul Thomas" wrote: >-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >Hash: SHA1 > >Scott Kitterman wrote on 22/06/10 11:54: >> >> "Matthew Paul Thomas" wrote: >>... >>> Yes, we agreed at UDS that we should move towards installing

Re: [Ayatana] File transfer dialog behaviour

"David Hamm" wrote: >"I don't see how CSD would improve that situation at all" > >>From what I've read csd would be more elegant at both a programing level and >design level, with less resources and the ability to design applications for >what they are, rather then having the witch of the west

Re: [Ayatana] Fullscreen Mode for all applications

On Sunday, June 27, 2010 10:09:09 pm Frederik Nnaji wrote: > The best way to present visual content is to use the entire screen for it. > Imagine you would like to look at a single item, wouldn't the best way to > look at it be to blank out every other information on the screen in favour > of visua

Re: [Ayatana] Songbird's creative use of client-side decorations

On Monday, June 28, 2010 10:35:29 pm Ryan Prior wrote: > I just tried out Songbird's latest nightly build for Ubuntu > (http://wiki.songbirdnest.com/Developer/Articles/Builds/Nightly_Builds) > The UI is very slick, and one vertical-space-saving trick they've > implemented in a visually appealing wa

Re: [Ayatana] Details on the netbook menu bar plan

On Saturday, May 08, 2010 02:20:34 am Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > MPT posted details on the global menu challenges we face, on > design.canonical.com: > >http://design.canonical.com/2010/05/menu-bar/ > > If you haven't seen it, it's worth a read. > > We expect to have a prototype implementati

Re: [Ayatana] Restart Required

"Frederik Nnaji" wrote: >Hello Florian, > >On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 17:37, Florian Bruhin wrote: > >> 2010/8/2 Frederik Nnaji : >> > *Does* Ubuntu warn the user beforehand that the updates about to be made >> > will eventually require a restart? I can't recall.. >> >> As fair as I know, it does

Re: [Ayatana] Restart Required

"Frederik Nnaji" wrote: >On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 19:21, Scott Kitterman wrote: > >> "Frederik Nnaji" wrote: >> >> >Hello Florian, >> > >> >On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 17:37, Florian Bruhin wrote: >> > >> >> 201

Re: [Ayatana] Restart Required

"Matthew Paul Thomas" wrote: >-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >Hash: SHA1 > >Scott Kitterman wrote on 03/08/10 19:23: >> >> "Frederik Nnaji" wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 19:21, Scott Kitterman >>... >>>&g

Re: [Ayatana] Browser Offline Message

"Stuart Langridge" wrote: >On Mon, 2010-08-16 at 16:04 -0700, David Hamm wrote: >> I've notice this problem on 3 separate lucid computers. One of them >> not mine. Simple fix but not sure why the network got disabled. Even >> though this is a design email, just though i'd throw it out there. >>

Re: [Ayatana] Browser Offline Message

"David Hamm" wrote: >Just reminding you guys, but laptops come with a network off switch >typically on the side or front of it. So I don't think disabling is a >problem. Besides most planes have shielded cables so the whole interference >thing is bs. Unless your on some rickety mob boss craft o

Re: [Ayatana] Restart Required

On Wednesday, September 01, 2010 12:21:51 pm Frederik Nnaji wrote: > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 21:25, Matt Wheeler wrote: > > On 2 August 2010 20:35, Frederik Nnaji wrote: > > > When clicking "Install Updates" in update-manager, USER should be > > > warned explicitly that doing so will require a res

Re: [Ayatana] Restart Required

On Thursday, September 02, 2010 01:02:21 pm Matt Wheeler wrote: > The exception to this is Firefox, but I believe there is already some > discussion going on about solving the issue of firefox requiring a > restart right after an upgrade. My solution to that problem (and others) was to switch to C

Re: [Ayatana] Restart Required

On Wednesday, September 01, 2010 07:17:55 pm Frederik Nnaji wrote: > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 19:16, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > If you're using apt-get, then you aren't in the target audience Ayatana > > is designing for. > > I think the CLI is definitely part of an

Re: [Ayatana] Restart Required

"Frederik Nnaji" wrote: >On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 19:58, Scott Kitterman wrote: > >> On Wednesday, September 01, 2010 07:17:55 pm Frederik Nnaji wrote: >> > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 19:16, Scott Kitterman >> wrote: >> > > If you're using a

Re: [Ayatana] Restart Required

On Friday, September 03, 2010 04:23:01 pm Frederik Nnaji wrote: > Hello Scott, > > On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 05:01, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > "Frederik Nnaji" wrote: > > >On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 19:58, Scott Kitterman > > > > wrote: > > >

Re: [Ayatana] Restart Required

"Frederik Nnaji" wrote: >On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 22:30, Scott Kitterman wrote: > >> >> Not all users have the same level of experience. That's unavoidable. >> > >that's good, diversity is an asset, not a staller. > > >> In gener

Re: [Ayatana] Unity interface - my Beta review and proposals

On Monday, September 13, 2010 10:48:36 am frederik.nn...@gmail.com wrote: > Bill Gates is no enemy to Freedom, he is primarily interested in offering > profitable commercial solutions, according to what he states in interviews > and speeches. > I think we are derailing a little here, too, so let's

Re: [Ayatana] Unity interface - my Beta review and proposals

On Monday, September 13, 2010 11:49:47 am Kerberos wrote: > On 13/09/2010 16:15, "Scott Kitterman" wrote: > > On Monday, September 13, 2010 10:48:36 am frederik.nn...@gmail.com wrote: > >> Bill Gates is no enemy to Freedom, he is primarily interested in > &g

Re: [Ayatana] Design problem: Menus hidden by default in Unity

On Wednesday, March 16, 2011 08:35:32 am Vishnoo wrote: > On Wed, 2011-03-16 at 08:37 -0300, Conscious User wrote: > > You completely missed my point. Yes, I'm talking about the lack of > > communication between the design team and the community, > > yup, I replied to only that part of your mail..

Re: [Ayatana] Design problems in general

On Wednesday, March 16, 2011 09:01:59 am Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On 03/16/2011 01:35 PM, Marc Lajoie wrote: > > A better analogy would be engineers designing a professional baking oven. > > The engineer insists, "No, you know nothing about heat flow, etc. This > > is how the oven should be designed

Re: [Ayatana] Design problem: Menus hidden by default in Unity

On Wednesday, March 16, 2011 09:42:17 am Vishnoo wrote: > On Wed, 2011-03-16 at 08:42 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > > Else, we are in a huge mess, if they are lacking communication too.. :s > > > > A bug is a bug no matter who files it. If we're down to it

Re: [Ayatana] Design problem: Menus hidden by default in Unity

On Monday, March 28, 2011 09:18:35 am zekopeko wrote: > On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 1:25 PM, David Stevenson wrote: > > On 28/03/11 11:44, Vishnoo wrote: > >> We really need to collect mass user data as to how people are using > >> their application windows, at what sizes they use the app and how oft

Re: [Ayatana] [Unity Launcher] Mouse hover, click, and active visual states

On Sunday, April 10, 2011 10:43:02 PM Allan Caeg wrote: > It could be too late for Natty, but it would be nice if some button states > can have the right feedback in time for 11.04. 11.04 is what Natty will be called after it's released. I suspect you meant Oneirc (which will be released as 11.1

Re: [Ayatana] Understanding the menu problem.

On Tuesday, May 31, 2011 10:15:38 PM huffyli...@gmail.com wrote: (I don't know who wrote the double indents bits): > > How many of those bugs are simply anti-Global Menu, though, having > > nothing to do with FFP? > > None of the ones I am referring to. :) In fact, I think the entire question i

Re: [Ayatana] make adding ppas easier

zekopeko wrote: >On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas >wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Kévin PEIGNOT wrote on 04/09/11 13:04: >>> >>> I don't agree. PPA should be used only to install unstable / >>> unsupported features. I think the problem is th

Re: [Ayatana] make adding ppas easier

"S. Christian Collins" wrote: >On 09/05/2011 07:47 AM, Christian Rupp wrote: >> This is a good thing, but will this programs and others be updated to > >> the newest version or have we still to wait half a year for the next >> version of ubuntu? >I usually want to have only certain applicatio

Re: [Ayatana] "Ubuntu" Applications

Jeremy Nickurak wrote: >Maybe this should strictly be the set of applications that gets >installed-by-default, or included-on-the-cd/dvd? These would typically >constitute the Ubuntu "experience", right? > >Maybe it's everything in main, and not in >restricted/universe/multiverse? > >Further,

Re: [Ayatana] "Ubuntu" Applications

Since you included me on the CC list ... No. We don't all agree it's necessary. Some of us think such things are actively harmful. Scott K On Wednesday, September 07, 2011 01:31:56 PM James Gifford wrote: > Ok, so reading through the thread, we all agree it's necessary - someone > just needs

Re: [Ayatana] "Ubuntu" Applications

On Wednesday, September 07, 2011 03:16:40 PM James Gifford wrote: > Scott, I apologize for cc'ing you. > > A HIG would promote consistency - consistency is best for the user, because > (just to pick one example) if Nautilus has its preferences pane stored > under "Edit > Preferences", then all ap

Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu = Human-Centered OS?

On Monday, September 19, 2011 10:58:30 AM Randall Ross wrote: > A while ago, I wrote a "WeMenu" spec that touched on this theme. Simply > stated: Our desktop should reflect our ethos in an obvious way. Back > when the spec was written, some mighty developers were interested in > starting an impleme