Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

2009-12-20 Thread Jan Claeys
Op maandag 14-12-2009 om 09:48 uur [tijdzone +], schreef Matthew Paul Thomas: The messaging menu design for Lucid indicates that a non-default application is running using an inward-pointing triangle at the leading edge of the menu item. How do you define a non-default application? This

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

2009-12-18 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Jeremy Nickurak wrote: On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 02:51, Matthew Paul Thomas m...@canonical.com mailto:m...@canonical.com wrote: The design for Lucid follows this basic approach. An application should register itself only if, and as long as, you have an account or analogous

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

2009-12-14 Thread Jeremy Nickurak
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 02:51, Matthew Paul Thomas m...@canonical.comwrote: The design for Lucid follows this basic approach. An application should register itself only if, and as long as, you have an account or analogous configuration set up in that application (for example, an e-mail

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

2009-11-16 Thread David Bensimon
Paulo J. S. Silva wrote: How does a user go from Here's a list of apps you can launch to Here are some apps that should always start when you log in? Should there be a dialog asking if you want those apps to auto-start the next time we log in? I just tried what I thought was the most

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

2009-11-09 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Paulo J. S. Silva wrote: I must agree. It feels now very odd to see the Systems menu without any icons (only to open a submenu like Administration or Settings with tons of icons in it). All other menus in the panel have icons (applications and places). I don't see why Systems doesn't. I knew

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

2009-11-09 Thread Shane Fagan
. I think they want to get away from the old model but they havent thought of anything concrete to replace it yet. Regards Shane Fagan -Original Message- From: Mark Shuttleworth m...@ubuntu.com To: Ayatana List ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

2009-11-08 Thread Paulo J. S. Silva
I must agree. It feels now very odd to see the Systems menu without any icons (only to open a submenu like Administration or Settings with tons of icons in it). All other menus in the panel have icons (applications and places). I don't see why Systems doesn't. I knew something was perturbing me

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

2009-11-07 Thread Martin Albisetti
mac_v wrote: We could use icon and toggle transparencies to show if the app is active or not. Attaching a mockup... Wow, this is nice! I think this is getting us there, but I still feel we need a stronger indication that the application isn't running. How about we had the text, underneath

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

2009-11-07 Thread mac_v
On Sat, 2009-11-07 at 15:25 -0300, Martin Albisetti wrote: mac_v wrote: We could use icon and toggle transparencies to show if the app is active or not. Attaching a mockup... Wow, this is nice! I think this is getting us there, but I still feel we need a stronger indication that the

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

2009-11-07 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Scott E. Armitage wrote: I disagree. If the menu options clearly invite you to DTRT, then you shouldn't have to worry about things like the process is running. You click on the menu, you start watching email, you get notifications, you jump to your relevant email folder.

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

2009-11-07 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Martin Albisetti wrote: Yes, this may be a good idea so we can guarantee a certain level of sanity with our default applications (or the ones we have in our repos). The current discussions I had with MPT about a related matter panned out roughly like this: - the main, default apps should be

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

2009-11-07 Thread Jeremy Nickurak
Here's a related question: I've always had a mail notifiier running all the time. I always want it running. I want it running the *moment* I log in. I don't want to have to go into a menu and tell it to launch evolution every time I log in. (For that matter, I really don't want the Evolution gui

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

2009-11-07 Thread Paulo J. S. Silva
How does a user go from Here's a list of apps you can launch to Here are some apps that should always start when you log in? Should there be a dialog asking if you want those apps to auto-start the next time we log in? I just tried what I thought was the most obvious path: I opened

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

2009-11-07 Thread Jeremy Nickurak
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 16:57, Mark Shuttleworth m...@ubuntu.com wrote: We're really moving away from app icons in menus. Really. Really really :-) Can I assume that would preclude using icons in the launcher menu to indicate things? ___ Mailing

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

2009-11-07 Thread mac_v
On Sat, 2009-11-07 at 16:12 +, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: We're really moving away from app icons in menus. Really. Really really :-) Mark ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

2009-11-05 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Jeremy Nickurak wrote: So, what is the indication that the thing is not running? It took me months to find out that, just because Evolution showed up in the messaging menu, it didn't mean that part of evolution was running and checking for new messages. That I had to open the evolution UI in

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

2009-11-05 Thread Alex Launi
On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Mark Shuttleworth m...@ubuntu.com wrote: In the design discussions, there was supposed to be a difference between the menu entries when the application is running, and when it is not running. So, for example: This isn't good enough. That requires I know the

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

2009-11-05 Thread Abhishek Dasgupta
2009/11/6 Alex Launi alex.la...@gmail.com: On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Mark Shuttleworth m...@ubuntu.com wrote: In the design discussions, there was supposed to be a difference between the menu entries when the application is running, and when it is not running. So, for example: This

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

2009-09-05 Thread Steve Dodier
2009/9/5 mac_v drkv...@yahoo.com On Fri, 2009-09-04 at 16:45 -0400, Celeste Lyn Paul wrote: On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Mark Shuttleworthmark.shuttlewo...@canonical.com wrote: Stuart Langridge wrote: Am I missing something here? If Pidgin's not running then by definition I

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

2009-09-05 Thread Ted Gould
On Fri, 2009-09-04 at 16:45 -0400, Celeste Lyn Paul wrote: * If infact the message indicator is indeed an indicator and not turning into a dashboard, which no one has been able to answer. I won't be able to answer that, as I have no clue what a dashboard is. All in all I care very little about

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

2009-09-05 Thread Celeste Lyn Paul
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Ted Gouldt...@canonical.com wrote: On Thu, 2009-09-03 at 17:42 +0300, Juha Siltala wrote: Is this true? Don't we set our preferred apps in gconf? Can it not be asked for this information? There is currently a way to set the preferred applications for a few

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

2009-09-04 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Stuart Langridge wrote: Am I missing something here? If Pidgin's not running then by definition I can't have any messages in it. Is the messaging menu just another applications menu but only containing apps which are capable of generating messages? That seems not all that useful to me, unless

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

2009-09-04 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Roderick B. Greening wrote: Not in my opinion... if it's for indications/messages then it has no right to pretend to be anything other than that (i.e. a menu). Trying to be a menu, seems counterintuitive to me. We already have a menu, and presenting the user with two places to look...

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

2009-09-04 Thread Celeste Lyn Paul
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Mark Shuttleworthmark.shuttlewo...@canonical.com wrote: Stuart Langridge wrote: Am I missing something here? If Pidgin's not running then by definition I can't have any messages in it. Is the messaging menu just another applications menu but only containing

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

2009-09-03 Thread Roderick B. Greening
It seems that this is not a message indicator or message queue as originally described, but rather a new kind of menu/launcher/accelerator. The question is, as posed by Celeste, whether the spec and the app line up, and it appears to not do so. For me, this should not be a launcher. There