Re: [Ayatana] Unexpected close functionality

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Marc Deslauriers wrote: > On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 00:02 +0200, Jan Claeys wrote: >> Op dinsdag 27-04-2010 om 19:54 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Shane >> Fagan: >> > Adding more preferences is a last resort in my book. >> >> This is the sort of thing you want a pref

Re: [Ayatana] Unexpected close functionality

agreed. On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 1:12 AM, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > On 29/04/10 01:00, Marc Deslauriers wrote: > > On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 00:02 +0200, Jan Claeys wrote: > > > >> Op dinsdag 27-04-2010 om 19:54 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Shane > >> Fagan: > >> > >>> Adding more preferences is a

Re: [Ayatana] Unexpected close functionality

On 29/04/10 01:00, Marc Deslauriers wrote: > On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 00:02 +0200, Jan Claeys wrote: > >> Op dinsdag 27-04-2010 om 19:54 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Shane >> Fagan: >> >>> Adding more preferences is a last resort in my book. >>> >> This is the sort of thing you want a

Re: [Ayatana] Unexpected close functionality

On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 00:02 +0200, Jan Claeys wrote: > Op dinsdag 27-04-2010 om 19:54 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Shane > Fagan: > > Adding more preferences is a last resort in my book. > > This is the sort of thing you want a preference for (if saving the last > state was the best solution, we

Re: [Ayatana] Unexpected close functionality

Op dinsdag 27-04-2010 om 19:54 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Shane Fagan: > Adding more preferences is a last resort in my book. This is the sort of thing you want a preference for (if saving the last state was the best solution, we wouldn't need one). Maybe it could even be implemented by a plu

Re: [Ayatana] Unexpected close functionality

On 27/04/10 19:45, Jan Claeys wrote: > A simple checkbox in the preferences "[X] Start up with the main > window hidden" should fix that use case. I don't see a need why it > should remember the last state for that or any other use case (there > might be some, of course). Ouch, there goes a knuckl

Re: [Ayatana] Unexpected close functionality

> Something that would be useful is an "animation" that makes it clear > that the closed window belongs to a background-application that will > give feedback in the indicator area. You have a point there. For both Compiz and Metacity (or X itself), there is no difference between closing and quitt

Re: [Ayatana] Unexpected close functionality

On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 20:45 +0200, Jan Claeys wrote: > Op dinsdag 27-04-2010 om 08:27 uur [tijdzone -0400], schreef Marc > Deslauriers: > > On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 22:10 +1000, Jonathan Matthew wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:17 PM, David Siegel > > > wrote: > > > > I witnessed this bug bitin

Re: [Ayatana] Unexpected close functionality

Op dinsdag 27-04-2010 om 08:27 uur [tijdzone -0400], schreef Marc Deslauriers: > On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 22:10 +1000, Jonathan Matthew wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:17 PM, David Siegel > > wrote: > > > I witnessed this bug biting users many times over the 11 hours of user > > > testing we con

Re: [Ayatana] Unexpected close functionality

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Jan Claeys wrote: > Op dinsdag 27-04-2010 om 12:57 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Shane > Fagan: >> > I think because these particular apps are designed to run in the >> > background and are used often when multitasking, we should keep the >> > close button minimiz

Re: [Ayatana] Unexpected close functionality

On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 11:17 +0100, Shane Fagan wrote: > Just because other programs are doing it doesnt make the functionality > correct. Why cant the minimise button be the one that minimises to the > notification area? Its how its done with Windows media player from > what I remember too. But t

Re: [Ayatana] Unexpected close functionality

Op dinsdag 27-04-2010 om 12:57 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Shane Fagan: > > I think because these particular apps are designed to run in the > > background and are used often when multitasking, we should keep the > > close button minimizing to the notification area unless they > > specifically ch

Re: [Ayatana] Unexpected close functionality

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 14:27, Marc Deslauriers wrote: > Although I don't do it myself, some people may choose to have rhythmbox > open automatically with their session by using the options in > System/Preferences/Startup Applications/Options. When this is done, it > could be expected behaviour to

Re: [Ayatana] Unexpected close functionality

On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 22:10 +1000, Jonathan Matthew wrote: > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:17 PM, David Siegel > wrote: > > I witnessed this bug biting users many times over the 11 hours of user > > testing we conducted over the past couple weeks. User opens > > Rhythmbox... and it appears as if nothi

Re: [Ayatana] Unexpected close functionality

On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 18:08 +0530, Vishnoo wrote: > On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 23:51 +1200, Benjamin Humphrey wrote: > > I don't like the idea of having an extra button only for apps that > > close to the notification area, if that's what you mean. > > > Nope.. no extra buttons. > I meant , instead o

Re: [Ayatana] Unexpected close functionality

On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 23:51 +1200, Benjamin Humphrey wrote: > I don't like the idea of having an extra button only for apps that > close to the notification area, if that's what you mean. Nope.. no extra buttons. I meant , instead of the red close , a different button is used. [replacing it] Us

Re: [Ayatana] Unexpected close functionality

People yell at us no matter what we do :) On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:10 AM, Jonathan Matthew wrote: > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:17 PM, David Siegel > wrote: > > I witnessed this bug biting users many times over the 11 hours of user > > testing we conducted over the past couple weeks. User opens

Re: [Ayatana] Unexpected close functionality

Jonathan, I'm sorry -- I didn't mean to quote you specifically, and I used the term "upstream" very loosely. Let's discuss the data we collected during user testing, and figure out what's best for Rhythmbox users. Once you're convinced what behavior is best, then all the yelling in the world won't

Re: [Ayatana] Unexpected close functionality

If you're not actively using Rhythmbox but would like to continue listening to music, just minimize it normally. It's silly to have a second place to minimize to, because this creates additional mental burden for users who would then need to ask "did I minimize it to the window list, or to the litt

Re: [Ayatana] Unexpected close functionality

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:17 PM, David Siegel wrote: > I witnessed this bug biting users many times over the 11 hours of user > testing we conducted over the past couple weeks. User opens > Rhythmbox... and it appears as if nothing has happened. Empathy > sometimes has the same problem. Both of th

Re: [Ayatana] Unexpected close functionality

On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 23:43 +1200, Benjamin Humphrey wrote: > I agree with David. > > > Fix the bug with Rhythmbox opening in the last state, and let's do > that very soon. It's been around for two years, which is far too long. > > > I don't agree that minimize should minimize to the notificati

Re: [Ayatana] Unexpected close functionality

I don't like the idea of having an extra button only for apps that close to the notification area, if that's what you mean. On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:41 PM, Vishnoo wrote: > On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 12:17 +0100, David Siegel wrote: > > I witnessed this bug biting users many times over the 11 hours

Re: [Ayatana] Unexpected close functionality

I agree with David. Fix the bug with Rhythmbox opening in the last state, and let's do that very soon. It's been around for two years, which is far too long. I don't agree that minimize should minimize to the notification area, and close should close the program for those particular applications.

Re: [Ayatana] Unexpected close functionality

On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 12:17 +0100, David Siegel wrote: > I witnessed this bug biting users many times over the 11 hours of user > testing we conducted over the past couple weeks. User opens > Rhythmbox... and it appears as if nothing has happened. Empathy > sometimes has the same problem. Both of t

Re: [Ayatana] Unexpected close functionality

H would it be crazy if I propose making a different button for minimising to the notification area? Its just if the close button means close the program in most users mind and the minimise button means leaving the window open but hiding it away, then what should the new user expect to minimise

Re: [Ayatana] Unexpected close functionality

I witnessed this bug biting users many times over the 11 hours of user testing we conducted over the past couple weeks. User opens Rhythmbox... and it appears as if nothing has happened. Empathy sometimes has the same problem. Both of these issues have been reported as paper cuts for a while, but t

Re: [Ayatana] Unexpected close functionality

> Just because other programs are doing it doesnt make the functionality > correct. Why cant the minimise button be the one that minimises to the > notification area? Its how its done with Windows media player from what > I remember too. But then you are replacing an unexpected functionality with

Re: [Ayatana] Unexpected close functionality

On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 14:30 +0530, Vishnoo wrote: > On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 15:29 +1200, Benjamin Humphrey wrote: > > On the subject of Rhythmbox, currently when you start it, it will open > > to the last state - eg. in the notification area, or maximized, or > > just a window on some workspace. I do

Re: [Ayatana] Unexpected close functionality

On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 15:29 +1200, Benjamin Humphrey wrote: > On the subject of Rhythmbox, currently when you start it, it will open > to the last state - eg. in the notification area, or maximized, or > just a window on some workspace. I don't think it should do this. When > people open a program,

Re: [Ayatana] Unexpected close functionality

Mark, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/570565 Thanks :) On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > On 27/04/10 04:29, Benjamin Humphrey wrote: > > > > On the subject of Rhythmbox, currently

Re: [Ayatana] Unexpected close functionality

On 27/04/10 04:29, Benjamin Humphrey wrote: > > On the subject of Rhythmbox, currently when you start it, it will open > to the last state - eg. in the notification area, or maximized, or > just a window on some workspace. I don't think it should do this. When > people open a program, they expect t

Re: [Ayatana] Unexpected close functionality

On the subject of Rhythmbox, currently when you start it, it will open to the last state - eg. in the notification area, or maximized, or just a window on some workspace. I don't think it should do this. When people open a program, they expect to see a reaction immediately. If it's opening as a 10x

[Ayatana] Unexpected close functionality

Hey all, I was playing a song in rhythmbox and I pressed the close button (the x button) and currently it stays running in the background. I wondered to myself is the close button meant to be close window rather than close program? -fagan ___ Mailin