Re: [Ayatana] Getting users to care (was Re: [Fwd: Re: Update manager])

2009-06-21 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: > Mark Shuttleworth ha scritto: >> Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: >>> Are you saying that you really NEVER experienced an upgrade that >>> creates >>> a problem? I use my computer to work. Sometimes I just can't afford the >>> risk that the thing breaks, even in minor aspects. E.g.

Re: [Ayatana] Getting users to care (was Re: [Fwd: Re: Update manager])

2009-06-21 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: > Are you saying that you really NEVER experienced an upgrade that creates > a problem? I use my computer to work. Sometimes I just can't afford the > risk that the thing breaks, even in minor aspects. E.g. when I am > preparing a presentation or I am under a deadline. For t

Re: [Ayatana] Getting users to care (was Re: [Fwd: Re: Update manager])

2009-06-16 Thread tacone
>>This is the reason why I was asking >>Scott to produce some explicit evidence, because, so far, I have the >>impression he's mostly speaking based on his own feelings. I may be wrong >>about this, of course. >> > > You are.  I have tried to monitor all the public feedback about this change > the

Re: [Ayatana] Getting users to care (was Re: [Fwd: Re: Update manager])

2009-06-16 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:31:54 +0200 Martín Soto wrote: >This is the reason why I was asking >Scott to produce some explicit evidence, because, so far, I have the >impression he's mostly speaking based on his own feelings. I may be wrong >about this, of course. > You are. I have tried to monitor a

Re: [Ayatana] Getting users to care (was Re: [Fwd: Re: Update manager])

2009-06-16 Thread Martín Soto
2009/6/16 Vincenzo Ciancia > Please, let's keep the "this is something that only power user > like/dislike" old argument out of this discussion. I see this is not > your intention, but as we are all power users this is an effective > dialectic technique to lower the value of our observations. I

Re: [Ayatana] Getting users to care (was Re: [Fwd: Re: Update manager])

2009-06-16 Thread tacone
> Would you mind showing us some evidence of said "overwhelmingly negatively" > reaction? From what I've seen on the mailing lists so far, those complaining > about the update pop-under mostly belong to a small, yet very vocal group of > power users. Are you joking ? Count the unique users on thi

Re: [Ayatana] Getting users to care (was Re: [Fwd: Re: Update manager])

2009-06-16 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno mar, 16/06/2009 alle 17.17 +0200, Martín Soto ha scritto: > > > Would you mind showing us some evidence of said "overwhelmingly > negatively" reaction? > From what I've seen on the mailing lists so far, those complaining > about the update pop-under mostly belong to a small, ye

Re: [Ayatana] Getting users to care (was Re: [Fwd: Re: Update manager])

2009-06-16 Thread Martín Soto
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:40:12 +0530 mac_v wrote: > ... > >It is accepted that the icon is NOT very useful and also ignored > ... > > I have to disagree. This has been repeatedly asserted, but I don't recall > any actual studies that suppor

Re: [Ayatana] Getting users to care (was Re: [Fwd: Re: Update manager])

2009-06-16 Thread Natan Yellin
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:40:12 +0530 mac_v wrote: > ... > >It is accepted that the icon is NOT very useful and also ignored > ... > > I have to disagree. This has been repeatedly asserted, but I don't recall > any actual studies that suppor