Thanks Rick for the confirmation, and Cheri for the literal translation. I was struggling with that one. I'll put the wording in my cheat sheet for next time I run across it. And yes, Cheri - they did have inverted names, making me just a little bit crazy at times. Happy new year!
On Monday, January 1, 2018 09:20:26 PM PST, <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: | azores@googlegroups.com | Google Groups | | Topic digest View all topics - Date of Birth? Antonio Sebastiao Pimentel, Lomba, Flores - 3 Updates - Marriage 1903 Ribeirinha SM - 9 Updates - Name of street in Vila Franca do Campo where great grandparents lived - 1 Update Date of Birth? Antonio Sebastiao Pimentel, Lomba, Flores | Mary Pimentel Wheeler <pimwh...@gmail.com>: Jan 01 04:05PM -0800 I "think" Antonio's date of birth AND baptism were both on 22 April 1891, but I'm not sure. Could someone confirm his actual DOB? Thanks! http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-LOMBA-B-1875-1900/FLR-LF-LOMBA-B-1875-1900_item1/P168.html Baptized 22 April 1891 Born 22 April 1891 ???? Son of Sebastiao Jose Pimentel (laborer) & Maria Goncalves de Freitas(housewife). Paternal grandparents – Sebastiao Jose Pimentel & Maria Trindade do Coracao de Jesus. Maternal grandparents – Joao Antonio Goncalves and Isabel de Trindade do Coracao de Jesus. | | Richard Francis Pimentel <richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com>: Jan 01 07:18PM -0500 That is the same birth and baptism date I see. Rick From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Pimentel Wheeler Sent: Monday, January 1, 2018 7:06 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Date of Birth? Antonio Sebastiao Pimentel, Lomba, Flores I "think" Antonio's date of birth AND baptism were both on 22 April 1891, but I'm not sure. Could someone confirm his actual DOB? Thanks! http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-LOMBA-B-1875-1900/FLR-LF-LOMBA-B-1875-1900_item1/P168.html Baptized 22 April 1891 Born 22 April 1891 ???? Son of Sebastiao Jose Pimentel (laborer) & Maria Goncalves de Freitas(housewife). Paternal grandparents – Sebastiao Jose Pimentel & Maria Trindade do Coracao de Jesus. Maternal grandparents – Joao Antonio Goncalves and Isabel de Trindade do Coracao de Jesus. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. | | Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com>: Jan 01 04:25PM -0800 Hi Mary, He literally said that he was born "in this freguesia at the mid day of the same day twenty-two of the referenced month and year." Or that's my translation of it. I see dad as Jose Sebastiao Pimentel though and his dad as Sebastiao Jose Pimentel. So either the father and grandfather have inverted names or the priest had too much vinho! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 4:18 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel < | Back to top Marriage 1903 Ribeirinha SM | "Richard Francis Pimentel" <rfrancispimen...@comcast.net>: Jan 01 11:36AM -0500 Here is an interesting marriage. Manuel Jacinto Moreira marries Virginia dos Santos Amaral on 25 Apr 1903 here #6 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-190 0-1905/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1900-1905_item1/P40.html I don't understand everything that is written but something is wrong with the marriage I think it is that a dispensation was needed so the marriage was invalid and they had to re do it here #16 on 25 Nov 1903. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-190 0-1905/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1900-1905_item1/P47.html The first record looks like any other marriage except for the margin note which was added later. The second one I think it says that after they were married they need a dispensation for the 4th degree of affinity? If a native speaker could translate that section so I could better understand. Thanks. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, NH Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande, Bretanha, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores | | Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com>: Jan 01 08:55AM -0800 I think you are right. Good think you have both. I didn't see the parents of the bride and groom listed in the 2nd one. Did they have a child between the marriages? Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 8:36 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel < | | "Richard Francis Pimentel" <rfrancispimen...@comcast.net>: Jan 01 12:08PM -0500 I had not looked for any children. From April to Nov is only 7 months so it would be interesting to see if there was one in the oven. Out of the many marriages I have looked at over the years this is the first on that I have come across that had a recall and do over. Rick From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheri Mello Sent: Monday, January 1, 2018 11:55 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage 1903 Ribeirinha SM I think you are right. Good think you have both. I didn't see the parents of the bride and groom listed in the 2nd one. Did they have a child between the marriages? Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 8:36 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote: Here is an interesting marriage. Manuel Jacinto Moreira marries Virginia dos Santos Amaral on 25 Apr 1903 here #6 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1900-1905/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1900-1905_item1/P40.html I don’t understand everything that is written but something is wrong with the marriage I think it is that a dispensation was needed so the marriage was invalid and they had to re do it here #16 on 25 Nov 1903. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1900-1905/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1900-1905_item1/P47.html The first record looks like any other marriage except for the margin note which was added later. The second one I think it says that after they were married they need a dispensation for the 4th degree of affinity? If a native speaker could translate that section so I could better understand. Thanks. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, NH Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande, Bretanha, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. | | Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com>: Jan 01 09:14AM -0800 Yeah, that's why I was wondering if they kinda rushed it because the bride was pregnant. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 9:08 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel < | | Margaret Vicente <margaretvice...@gmail.com>: Jan 01 01:03PM -0500 Back of the page of the first record states “record #15 that follows was (reprovado) nullified” margin note also says the dispensation was granted. The original record stands. Sent from my iPhone | | Richard Francis Pimentel <richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com>: Jan 01 01:40PM -0500 Thank You Margaret. You are always so helpful. From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Vicente Sent: Monday, January 1, 2018 1:04 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage 1903 Ribeirinha SM Back of the page of the first record states “record #15 that follows was (reprovado) nullified” margin note also says the dispensation was granted. The original record stands. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 1, 2018, at 12:14 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote: Yeah, that's why I was wondering if they kinda rushed it because the bride was pregnant. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 9:08 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote: I had not looked for any children. From April to Nov is only 7 months so it would be interesting to see if there was one in the oven. Out of the many marriages I have looked at over the years this is the first on that I have come across that had a recall and do over. Rick From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheri Mello Sent: Monday, January 1, 2018 11:55 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage 1903 Ribeirinha SM I think you are right. Good think you have both. I didn't see the parents of the bride and groom listed in the 2nd one. Did they have a child between the marriages? Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 8:36 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote: Here is an interesting marriage. Manuel Jacinto Moreira marries Virginia dos Santos Amaral on 25 Apr 1903 here #6 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1900-1905/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1900-1905_item1/P40.html I don’t understand everything that is written but something is wrong with the marriage I think it is that a dispensation was needed so the marriage was invalid and they had to re do it here #16 on 25 Nov 1903. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1900-1905/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1900-1905_item1/P47.html The first record looks like any other marriage except for the margin note which was added later. The second one I think it says that after they were married they need a dispensation for the 4th degree of affinity? If a native speaker could translate that section so I could better understand. Thanks. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, NH Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande, Bretanha, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. | | Rosemarie Capodicci <rcap...@gmail.com>: Jan 01 11:34AM -0800 Margaret, what would be the 4th grau affinity? I can see brother/sis-in-law, mom-in-law etc. but 4th degree?? How far back are we talking here for affinity?? Rosemarie rcap...@gmail.com Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 10:03 AM, Margaret Vicente <margaretvice...@gmail.com | | Margaret Vicente <margaretvice...@gmail.com>: Jan 01 02:55PM -0500 You’re welcome, Richard. Rosemarie, it says 4° grau de afinidade lícita. It would put the relation at the grandparent level. Sent from my iPhone | | Rosemarie Capodicci <rcap...@gmail.com>: Jan 01 12:45PM -0800 Wow, I didn't realize that it would go back that far for affinity! Learn something new everyday! Thank you so much Margaret! I really thought it would only be for marrying your sis/brother-in-law or mother/father-in-law. Rosemarie rcap...@gmail.com Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 11:55 AM, Margaret Vicente <margaretvice...@gmail.com | Back to top Name of street in Vila Franca do Campo where great grandparents lived | Lillian Palko <napa...@yahoo.com>: Jan 01 06:52AM -0800 Thank you Cheri! On Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 2:53:56 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote: | Back to top | You received this digest because you're subscribed to updates for this group. You can change your settings on the group membership page. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. | -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.