Thank you so much in helping me work through this twist in the records
D

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AltaresMarriageofJoaoMachadoToledo and Rosa Maria

Ponta do Pico. I don't know Pico Island.

Philippe Garnier Paris - France 


Em segunda-feira, 3 de setembro de 2018 19:05:00 GMT+2, 
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Wow. I was way off. Thank you. I’m learning a lot.
Here’s her death record. It mentions a place in Pico but I do not recognize the 
village.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-CONCEICAO-O-1734-1754/TER-AH-CONCEICAO-O-1734-1754_item1/P156.html
Thanks Doreen
 
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MarriageofJoaoMachadoToledo and Rosa Maria
 
No indication where Pico he is from. But Ursula is died in N.S. da Conceição of 
Angra. perhaps her obit said where she is from.
Beatriz is widow of João Coelho (de Ornelas) died in Altares. This mariage is 
in Santa Sé (1718, March 25, img 265).
 
 
Abs
 
Philippe Garnier Paris - France
 
Em segunda-feira, 3 de setembro de 2018 17:40:47 GMT+2, 
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Ok Philippe. I found his second marriage to Beatriz do Rosario. This one is 
very hard to read. I think in says Joao Soares, Island of Pico, widower of 
Ursula da Silveira, (I think is says that she was from Pico but does it say 
where?) then it says something about Angra? 
marrying Beatriz do Rosario, daughter of Joao Coelho ? and ? (are they also 
from Pico?)
Guessing at this point. Doreen
 
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ofJoaoMachadoToledo and Rosa Maria
 
Hi Doreen,
 
Yes his name is Soares. His marriage with Ana Maria is in Fonte Bastardo (1773, 
february 25); 2nd book, fl. 20v. It is his 3rd marriage. The 2nd is in Altares 
(1747, October 21) , 1713-1763 book, img 123. He is widow of Ursula da Silveira 
and native from Ilha do Pico.
 
Abraços
 
Philippe Garnier Paris - France
 
Em segunda-feira, 3 de setembro de 2018 15:33:10 GMT+2, 
<doreencaet...@gmail.com> escreveu: 
 
 
Yes. Thank you. It was my faul.t I was looking at two records at the same time. 
I posted a correction but Rosemarie responded without reading it.  I was 
reading the word widow as a last name Vieira for the bride and then thought it 
was her father. Once I looked at it again I realized it was widow. In a reply 
to the original post I posted the link to Rosa Marie first marriage. I need 
help reading that record. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831_item1/P96.html
It says Sebastiao Soares de Melo, son of Joao Soares de Melo and Ana Maria, 
married Rosa Maria, daughter of Manuel Goncalves Fialho and Benedicta do 
Espirito Santo. I question if I have the correct groom’s father’s name. Could 
it be Sousa? Also does it say what village they are from because I can not find 
then in the marriage index for Altares? This is why I question my reading of 
the groom’s father’s name.
Thanks again, Doreen
 
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Hello Doreen,
 
I think Rosmarie is right about the bride's parents in the lower right record.  
However, that is the marriage of Manuel Francisco da Silva and Maria Isabel 
rather than the couple in your subject line.  Your couple is the top left 
record and the bride's parents are not listed; she is listed as the widow of 
Sebastiao Soares buried in this same parish of Sao Roque.
 
Bill Seidler
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