I am really looking forward to this Ian.
I have remixed real data... ie music and video, all my life. Having
some from the BBC will be absolutely wonderful.
Best wishes
RichE
P.S. Not really in the same world as the BBC - yet Digidesign have
over the last couple of years moved to the
On 19/01/2009 18:36, Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
Say, we had a ton of media assets from a BBC programme which we owned all the
rights to and wanted to distribute widely. Not just video, but images, sound,
subtitles, metadata about the programme scripts, etc.
How would you
2009/1/20 Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk
Wow thanks guys.
I don't want to get into a discussion about the footage per-se because
that's not the important thing.
So to answer the points about the packaging. I didn't know Tar was just a
way to pack together files with no compression.
Ok so from what I've read so far...
1. Looks like we should use the native power of Bit Torrent to do the bundling
whenever possible
2. We should distribute over Bit Torrent and P2Pnext, but also have some way to
see the footage ahead of time.
Oh quick note about footage, this whole project
If you have digital material you can release for remixing purpose - then I
would contend that along with distributing it via some channel or another,
you should also consider hosting the content on a BBC server and make tools
available which would (1) allow people to remix online and (2)
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Michael Walsh
michael.wa...@digitalrightsmanifesto.com wrote:
If you have digital material you can release for remixing purpose - then I
would contend that along with distributing it via some channel or another,
you should also consider hosting the content on a
2009/1/21 Michael Walsh michael.wa...@digitalrightsmanifesto.com:
If you have digital material you can release for remixing purpose - then I
would contend that along with distributing it via some channel or another,
you should also consider hosting the content on a BBC server and make tools
I'm not totally convinced about that way of doing things.
If you apply that to data on Backstage, we would have to build something like
or better that Yahoo Pipes to allow people to remix our data. The tools offline
are better that online, also the backstage community is made up of people who
2009/1/21 Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org:
And ensuring that the results can be used by commercial organizations
(by not making it NC) would help defuse any competition concerns.
And boost Wikipedia et al :-)
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Licensing_update
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On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote:
2009/1/21 Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org:
And ensuring that the results can be used by commercial organizations
(by not making it NC) would help defuse any competition concerns.
And boost Wikipedia et al :-)
Yes, and then
2009/1/21 Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Licensing_update
Ugh. Dual licencing. ;-)
Not for long, I expect.
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Well without giving too much away, the techies are in control on this
one.
On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 20:34 -0800, Steve Jolly wrote:
Ian Forrester wrote:
Say, we had a ton of media assets from a BBC programme which we owned all
the rights to and wanted to distribute widely. Not just video, but
Wow thanks guys.
I don't want to get into a discussion about the footage per-se because that's
not the important thing.
So to answer the points about the packaging. I didn't know Tar was just a way
to pack together files with no compression. Now tar.gz makes sense to me :)
The reason why we
Hey Ian - just stick it on a terabyte USB external hard drive, invest
in some bubble wrap and a strong cardboard box, and organise a mailing
loop... Then folk can copy what they want and post it onto the next
user
Bit lo-tech, I know, but given broadband speeds in some parts of the
country,
2009/1/20 Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk:
Seems BitTorrent, P2Pnext (tribler) and the internet archive are the best
solutions by a long way. I did speak to people about how we pass footage
around internally and the answer was via hard drives. There was some thought
in the past about
2009/1/20 Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk:
The reason why we would like to Tar the files together is because of things
like subtitles, artwork, cuts of music,
other metadata pieces, etc. We're not just talking a collection of video
files.
What does Tar add to the ability to organise
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
Licensing,
I think we'll use something like CC-BY-NC (although I totally understand the
arguments against NC, Dave) CC-BY-NC-SA is tempting due to the nature of the
content.
Could you explain the nature of the
Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote at 16:50 on 2009-01-20:
2009/1/20 Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk:
The reason why we would like to Tar the files together is because of things
like subtitles, artwork, cuts of music,
other metadata pieces, etc. We're not just talking a collection
I didn't know Tar was just a way to pack together files with no compression.
Now tar.gz makes sense to me :)
You know that zip has an option to not compress which would make it work
in the same way as a tar file.
While I prefer tar (and agree with other comments that tar/zip'ing stops
2009/1/20 Steffan Davies st...@steff.name:
Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote at 16:50 on 2009-01-20:
2009/1/20 Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk:
The reason why we would like to Tar the files together is because of
things like subtitles, artwork, cuts of music,
other metadata
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.ukwrote:
The reason why we would like to Tar the files together is because of things
like subtitles, artwork, cuts of music, other metadata pieces, etc. We're
not just talking a collection of video files. I guess we're also
Ian Forrester wrote:
Say, we had a ton of media assets from a BBC programme which we owned all the
rights to and wanted to distribute widely. Not just video, but images, sound,
subtitles, metadata about the programme scripts, etc.
How would you
1. Package it?
Artists and techies will
I've been a little quiet recently but I'm still reading all the conversations.
Anyway, I wanted to ask the backstage community a challenging question.
Say, we had a ton of media assets from a BBC programme which we owned all the
rights to and wanted to distribute widely. Not just video, but
I'd go for some along the lines on what done at www.thetvdb.com, details of
what's available is held in a set xml structure that people can use to
pick/choose what parts of the content they want.
D
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From: Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk
Say, we had a ton of media assets from a BBC programme which
we owned all the rights to and wanted to distribute widely.
Not just video, but images, sound, subtitles, metadata about
the programme scripts, etc.
How would you
1. Package it?
2. Distribute it?
3. Licence it? (this isn't
2009/1/19 Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk:
Say, we had a ton of media assets from a BBC programme which we owned all the
rights to and wanted to distribute widely. Not just video, but images, sound,
subtitles, metadata about the programme scripts, etc.
A ton? Assuming you mean metric
Were we reading from the same crib sheet Andy? ;)
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Hey,
BitTorrent would be the way forward considering all the arguments the ISPs
would kick up if you tried to unicast it from BBC servers - like when
iPlayer traffic started up I guess.
It being legit content, might open up more to the idea of BitTorrent
distribution?
ZIPping large video content
2009/1/19 Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk:
1. Package it?
File formats:
Packaging: None. Direct files on...
2. Distribute it?
BitTorrent clients are now wide spread enough for a mass market
audience. But I would sadly still expect that even in 2009 a BBC
programme which we owned all
2009/1/19 Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com:
2009/1/19 Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk:
1. Package it?
File formats:
File formats: Whatever is closest to original.
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2009/1/19 Matt Barber m...@progressive.org.uk:
Packaging should be done in a viable format - as in useable... or popular,
that's the right word? Some would say use the most free, some would say use
the most popular - is there one that fits into both categories?
The closest you're going to get
+1 BitTorrent
+1 MP4
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