[backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure"

2008-05-08 Thread Brian Butterworth
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/may/08/bbc.television2 *He also sounded a warning for BBC executives, accusing them of "incredible naivety" in believing they could control the distribution of programmes online. * *Programmes distributed via the BBC's increasingly popular online iPlayer servi

RE: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure"

2008-05-08 Thread Andrew Wong
ndrew From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 08 May 2008 08:31 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but

Re: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure"

2008-05-08 Thread Tom Loosemore
ED] On Behalf Of Andrew Wong > Sent: 08 May 2008 10:20 > > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Subject: RE: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the > iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure" > > > > > It's rather interesting t

RE: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure"

2008-05-08 Thread Andrew Wong
EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Wong Sent: 08 May 2008 10:20 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure" It's rather interesting that one of the very

Re: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure"

2008-05-08 Thread Tom Loosemore
_ > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth > Sent: 08 May 2008 08:31 > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Subject: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer > is secure. It's anyth

Re: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure"

2008-05-08 Thread Matt Barber
Didn't think of it like that, good points On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Tom Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Good example of how the world looks *very* different if you're a > rights holder currently making money from your secondary rights... > even a rights holder as clued up as Fry >

Re: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure"

2008-05-08 Thread Richard P Edwards
: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure" It's rather interesting that one of the very few TV personalities who really *gets* the digital revolution (tm) and all that is essentially arguing that the digi

RE: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure"

2008-05-08 Thread Jeremy Stone
backwards rapidly* >> >> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Wong >> Sent: 08 May 2008 10:20 >> >> To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk >> Subject: RE: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "Th

Re: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure"

2008-05-08 Thread Sean DALY
I think the point is that no technical copy inhibiting scheme will ever "work"; the best ones will only discourage casual users but time and time again we see that such solutions merely penalize most users. Unscrupulous vendors or integrators will assert that "protection" is available to worried ri

Re: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure"

2008-05-08 Thread Michael Walsh
2008/5/8 Richard P Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I agree with Mr Fry's position and furthermore, I think that it is > important, as is my own case, to understand that there are many > rights-holders who fear all of this. and the result is that they cannot > see a high quality/secure way t

Re: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure"

2008-05-08 Thread Sean DALY
http://www.contentinople.com/author.asp?section_id=450&doc_id=152567 So Verisign is spinning off Kontiki? - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-ar

Re: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure"

2008-05-08 Thread Phil Wilson
Jeremy Stone wrote: the transcript and audio have just been uploaded. http://www.bbc.co.uk/thefuture/transcript_fry.shtml wot, no mp3? ;) Phil - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Un

RE: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure"

2008-05-08 Thread Jeremy Stone
don't shoot the messenger! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Phil Wilson Sent: Thu 5/8/2008 3:56 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure&

Re: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure"

2008-05-08 Thread Phil Wilson
Jeremy Stone wrote: don't shoot the messenger! I initially thought of signing off as Phil 'never satisfied' Wilson, but couldn't bear the thought of causing so much nationwide tittering. Oh, wait... - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://ba

Re: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure"

2008-05-17 Thread Dave Crossland
2008/5/8 Richard P Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I am still not certain about Dave Crossland's model either As kind as it is to be attributed with the http://freedomdefined.org model of culture that I advocate, may I suggest you call it the "culture freedom" model or similar :-) > as a res

Re: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure"

2008-05-17 Thread Richard Edwards
Thanks Dave, If I slacked anymore, I'd be totally horizontal. :-) The problem isn't money, it is the legal contracts associated with trying to protect created works for use worldwide through the internet, and the derivatives. Personally I would like to see a brand new approach, one that truly pr

Re: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure"

2008-05-18 Thread Dave Crossland
2008/5/18 Richard Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > The problem isn't money, it is the legal contracts associated with trying to > protect > created works for use worldwide through the internet, and the derivatives. The ones that exist will time out; the ones that haven't been signed yet can be ch

Re: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure"

2008-05-18 Thread frankie roberto
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Jeremy Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > the transcript and audio have just been uploaded. > http://www.bbc.co.uk/thefuture/transcript_fry.shtml > > video goes out on bbc parliament and then iplayer after that on sat 9pm. Annoyingly (an perhaps ironically), even t