Re: [backstage] where is the BBC's SVG or scaleable vector graphics content?

2010-11-28 Thread Brian Butterworth
Isn't the problem that there are still so many copies of IE6 out there, which fails to support SVG, that Flash is still preferred for support reasons? On 27 November 2010 19:58, Jonathan Chetwynd wrote: > where is the BBC's SVG or scaleable vector graphics content? > > much of the BBC's online pr

Re: [backstage] where is the BBC's SVG or scaleable vector graphics content?

2010-11-28 Thread David Dorward
On 28 Nov 2010, at 17:23, Brian Butterworth wrote: > Isn't the problem that there are still so many copies of IE6 … and IE 7 and IE 8 > out there, which fails to support SVG, that Flash is still preferred for > support reasons? -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk - Sent via the backsta

Re: [backstage] where is the BBC's SVG or scaleable vector graphics content?

2010-11-29 Thread Stephen Jolly
On 27 Nov 2010, at 19:58, Jonathan Chetwynd wrote: > much of the BBC's online production has been released in flash (JAM) and > other proprietary mediums. > > IE9 will implement SVG along with Mozilla, Safari-Webkit, Google-Chrome, > Opera and other standards-compliant web browsers. > > Given

Re: [backstage] where is the BBC's SVG or scaleable vector graphics content?

2010-11-29 Thread Ben Weiner
On 29 Nov 2010, at 11:07, Stephen Jolly wrote: > I don't have any inside information on the subject, but I suspect the BBC > would be most likely to move away from flash either (a) if it would save > money, or (b) to increase reach on devices that don't support it. Aside from > the general des

Re: [backstage] where is the BBC's SVG or scaleable vector graphics content?

2010-11-29 Thread Mo McRoberts
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 11:17, Ben Weiner wrote: > Bearing in mind your opening remark, does licensing attributable to Flash > cost a lot [of the licence-payers' money]? it's a cost/benefit thing, though. if, e.g., CBeebies games were reworked as SVG, then it'd cut off a big chunk of the audie

Re: [backstage] where is the BBC's SVG or scaleable vector graphics content?

2010-11-29 Thread Jonathan Chetwynd
two-fold 1. There is currently a notion to release government data, and the BBC has already included itself in this process by for instance releasing salaries of certain key executives. 2. as already mentioned recent releases of all popular browsers now display SVG. As it will take the

Re: [backstage] where is the BBC's SVG or scaleable vector graphics content?

2010-11-29 Thread Ben Weiner
Hi On 29 Nov 2010, at 11:33, Mo McRoberts wrote: > (and that's even assuming SVG is the right tool for the job anyway; I > suspect + JS will probably end up seeing more use over SVG > for a lot of stuff...) Another vector for this argument? [think I agree though] Ben -- Ben Weiner | http://r

RE: [backstage] where is the BBC's SVG or scaleable vector graphics content?

2010-11-29 Thread Andrew Bowden
e- > From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk > [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of > Jonathan Chetwynd > Sent: 29 November 2010 11:37 > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Subject: Re: [backstage] where is the BBC's SVG or scaleable > vector graphics con

Re: [backstage] where is the BBC's SVG or scaleable vector graphics content?

2010-11-29 Thread Jonathan Chetwynd
this was pre-IE9 support, and Patrick Dengler joining the SVG WG iirc and as already noted, since ipad, itouch and iphone this rings false steve already claims, these are already more popular than all other games consoles, again iirc apologies my memory is sadly absent ~:" As a websit

Re: [backstage] where is the BBC's SVG or scaleable vector graphics content?

2010-11-29 Thread David Dorward
On 29 Nov 2010, at 11:55, Jonathan Chetwynd wrote: >> As a website funded by the licence fee, it's more important to us that >> as many people have access to the content than necessarily being at the >> bleeding edge of technology. IE6 and 7 are both in our Level 1 browser >> support categorisat

Re: [backstage] where is the BBC's SVG or scaleable vector graphics content?

2010-11-29 Thread Jonathan Chetwynd
David, did you read the rest of the sentence? you didn't quote it and it is highly relevant. ~:" On 29 Nov 2010, at 12:01, David Dorward wrote: On 29 Nov 2010, at 11:55, Jonathan Chetwynd wrote: As a website funded by the licence fee, it's more important to us that as many people have a

RE: [backstage] where is the BBC's SVG or scaleable vector graphics content?

2010-11-29 Thread Christopher Woods
Apple devices, both mobile and desktop, still occupy a minority across the deployed userbase (just a disporportionately large mindshare, the Reality Distortion Effect hard at work as always). Android & MS still have lion's share of mobile devices worldwide and they're going to be locked in a battle

Re: [backstage] where is the BBC's SVG or scaleable vector graphics content?

2010-11-29 Thread Jonathan Chetwynd
Christopher, excellent points, the real crux you circle but failed (to) state is the lack of excellent authoring tools. the one that brings tears to my eyes is animation without a timeline. it must be de facto that one starts with onion-skinning, a score and timeline, but the essence

RE: [backstage] where is the BBC's SVG or scaleable vector graphics content?

2010-11-29 Thread Christopher Woods
> the one that brings tears to my eyes is animation without a timeline. > it must be de facto that one starts with onion-skinning, a > score and timeline, but I'm not sure that a timeline-less format would be best. I can get my head round a timeline based animation format quite easily (and in