Re: [Bacula-devel] Qt console (bat) @ Qt6?

2025-05-28 Thread Thomas Beierlein
ere on Gentoo linux are on the way to phase out the old Qt5 packages due to shrinking support with updates and fixes. So time is running out. Regards, Thomas -- ___ Bacula-devel mailing list Bacula-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-devel

Re: [Bacula-devel] Build fails with LTO due to ODR violations

2024-10-28 Thread Thomas Beierlein
Hi, On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 03:48:54PM +0100, Radosław Korzeniewski wrote: > Hi, > > pt., 25 paź 2024 o 13:35 Thomas Beierlein napisał(a): > > > Hello, > > > > building bacula-15.0.2 here on Gentoo with > > '-Werror=lto-type-mismatch -Werror=strict-al

[Bacula-devel] Build fails with LTO due to ODR violations

2024-10-25 Thread Thomas Beierlein
the optional extensions of JCR are clashing with the JCR definition without extensions. See https://bugs.gentoo.org/940695 for original bug and https://940695.bugs.gentoo.org/attachment.cgi?id=904745 for full build log. Regards, Thomas ___ Ba

Re: [Bacula-devel] Bacula 15.0.2 update

2024-05-09 Thread Thomas Beierlein
scripts there shows the mentioned problems. There is a more actual version of the script in /usr/libexec/bacula directory above. That should handle all versions up to 1025 in a correct way. Regards, Thomas -- ___ Bacula-devel mailing list Bacula-

Re: [Bacula-devel] watchdog timer

2014-01-21 Thread Thomas Lohman
Hi, if you want to work around the job terminates after 6 days issue, there are two places in the code that you need to change. In the 5.2.13 code base, the first one is in bnet.c line 784 and then line 79 in bsock.c - both of these source files are in the lib directory. hope this helps, --

Re: [Bacula-devel] feature request

2013-03-13 Thread Thomas Lohman
Yes, such patch would definitely help, I looked quickly your first patch, and it was reasonable. If the patch contains more than few lines (not very likely), we will need also a FLA to include your work. http://www.bacula.org/en/?page=fla Hi Eric, I have modified the code so MaxRunSchedTime wi

Re: [Bacula-devel] feature request

2013-03-13 Thread Thomas Lohman
> I have the impression that the original MaxRunSchedTime doesn't handle > correctly the reschedule option, so it sounds to be better to fix the > existing directive rather than adding a new directive. > > The original goal of this directive was to take the initial schedule run > time in account to

[Bacula-devel] feature request

2013-03-12 Thread Thomas Lohman
Item 1: add the ability to track the first initial scheduled time for a job and an option to allow a job to run only for MaxRunInitSchedTime before being canceled Origin: Thomas Lohman - thom...@mtl.mit.edu Date: 12 March 2013 Status: patch attached What: Hi, it may be that it is possible

[Bacula-devel] backing up Windows encrypted files

2012-10-10 Thread Thomas Lohman
I noticed that there was a feature request added awhile ago to add support for backing up Windows encrypted files using the Windows raw encryption API: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa363783.aspx We recently had an issue with encrypted Windows files and this particular problem so I'm

Re: [Bacula-devel] USB HDDs as a backup media

2012-05-01 Thread Thomas Mueller
also use udev rules to mount the disk. you can find post about that topic by googling for "udev mount usb disk" - Thomas -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today&

Re: [Bacula-devel] Bacula 5.2.1 for Debian Squeeze

2011-11-23 Thread Thomas Mueller
lp, mail the team at > pkg-bacula-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org > > Hauke > > [0] http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/bacula.html > ... and I just discovered that Ubuntu already has a 5.2.1 package. http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=pkg-ba

[Bacula-devel] Bacula 5.2.1 for Debian Squeeze

2011-11-23 Thread Thomas Mueller
5.2.1.orig.tar.gz Notes: * do use it at your own risk!! i've not done much testing * to upgrade your db: edit db_name in /usr/share/bacula-director/update_mysql_tables (or what ever dbtype you are using) and run the script * it builds on squeeze but not on wheezy (maybe QT problem with bat)

[Bacula-devel] [PATCH] list args for command use in bconsole docs

2011-08-17 Thread Thomas Mueller
hi same as the "help use" patch but this time for the bacula docs. Find the patch attached. - Thomas diff --git a/docs/manuals/de/console/bconsole.tex b/docs/manuals/de/console/bconsole.tex index f090374..9347e2d 100644 --- a/docs/manuals/de/console/bconsole.tex +++ b/docs/manuals/

[Bacula-devel] [PATCH] show arguements for command "use" in help

2011-08-16 Thread Thomas Mueller
hi I wondered how to set the catalog without the menu. it can be selected by "use catalog=". Created a patch to show the argument with "help use". you'll find it attached. - Thomas diff --git a/bacula/src/dird/ua_cmds.c b/bacula/src/dird/ua_cmds.c index 0fb98da..e6

[Bacula-devel] [PATCH] update docs to reflect git repo move to git.bacula.org

2011-04-18 Thread Thomas Mueller
hi did notice the git repo moved from SF to git.bacula.org. I've updated to docs accordingly. find patch attached. - Thomas commit 5e20512923c36cb7a4414a3e78b2d9ad21beec5d Author: Thomas Mueller Date: Mon Apr 18 17:32:53 2011 +0200 updated git repo references (moved from

[Bacula-devel] Bounty: promote "Max Full Interval" to VirtualFull

2010-07-29 Thread Thomas Mueller
D 500.- to the implementor as soons as it's commited to the official git repo. Payable by PayPal or bank transfer (only with IBAN). - Thomas -- The Palm PDK Hot Apps Program offers developers who use the Plug-In Deve

[Bacula-devel] PATCH: MaxFullInterval upgrades to VirtuallFull

2010-03-26 Thread Thomas Mueller
ig is set and upgrades to VirtualFull. if other virtual levels are planned/exists, maybe the config should better be called more generic like "LevelUpgradesAsVirtual". be aware that i'm really not a C programmer, I only tried. :) - Thomas diff --git a/bacula/src/dird/dird_conf

Re: [Bacula-devel] Feature request: add nice and ionice facilities

2010-03-12 Thread Thomas Mueller
processes with suitable nice and ionice values would avoid > this. > > Notes: A suitable prefix to the daemon initialisation commands > would be: > nice -n 19 ionice -c2 -n7 > ionice is only

[Bacula-devel] [PATCH] list "verifylist" as option for "help run"

2010-02-12 Thread Thomas Mueller
hi i was missing the verifylist option for run when looking at "help run" on bconsole. - Thomas --- src/dird/ua_cmds.c.orig 2010-02-12 12:30:48.586355902 +0100 +++ src/dird/ua_cmds.c 2010-02-12 12:31:34.518490431 +0100 @@ -166,7 +166,7 @@ { NT_("reload"), relo

Re: [Bacula-devel] [PATCH] mtx-changer "unary operator expected"

2010-02-10 Thread Thomas Mueller
Am Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:23:31 +0100 schrieb Kern Sibbald: > On Tuesday 09 February 2010 18:08:21 Thomas Mueller wrote: >> Am Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:54:41 +0100 schrieb Kern Sibbald: >> > Hello, >> > >> > I don't quite understand this. Perhaps you don

Re: [Bacula-devel] [PATCH] mtx-changer "unary operator expected"

2010-02-09 Thread Thomas Mueller
iately. this file exists but was empty. ok, could be that this is a packaging issue when it's not supposed to be empty. (forward ported debian package). Sorry for the noise then. altough maybe it would nice to have the defaults section to know what would have b

[Bacula-devel] [PATCH] mtx-changer "unary operator expected"

2010-02-09 Thread Thomas Mueller
r expected reading 176: if test ${inventory} -ne 0 ; then so maybe $inventory (and $vxa_packetloader on #181) should be initialized to 0 before sourcing mtx-changer.conf? found other vars which may need initzialization to a default value. see my patch below. - Thomas --- mtx-changer.orig

[Bacula-devel] Feature Request - LRU for tape drives in autochanger

2009-10-12 Thread Thomas Carter
Item: Least recently used device selection for tape drives in autochanger. Date: 12 October 2009 Origin: Thomas Carter Status: Proposal What: A better tape drive selection algorithm for multi-drive autochangers. The AUTOCHANGER class contains an array list of tape devices. When a tape drive is

Re: [Bacula-devel] newly created disk volumes -> file not found warning

2009-10-06 Thread Thomas Mueller
h everything just works fine. but maybe as other find it annoying too it once gets changed/ fixed. :) the warning was defenitly not there before 3.0 - Thomas -- Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conferen

Re: [Bacula-devel] newly created disk volumes -> file not found warning

2009-10-06 Thread Thomas Mueller
h everything just works fine. but maybe as other find it annoying too it once gets changed/ fixed. :) the warning was defenitly not there before 3.0 - Thomas -- Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conferen

Re: [Bacula-devel] newly created disk volumes -> file not found warning

2009-09-30 Thread Thomas Mueller
uot;In any case, even if you are using automatic labeling, if the volume doesn't exist when Bacula attempts to open it, it will get the error message you see. So this is pretty much normal as long as following that message, the Volume i

Re: [Bacula-devel] regress tets: results disappear somewhere on submit

2009-09-12 Thread Thomas Mueller
d "upstream". :) indeed this was the problem. now 76 tests shows up. - Thomas -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integratio

[Bacula-devel] regress tets: results disappear somewhere on submit

2009-09-03 Thread Thomas Mueller
st. do i need to hit the "reset" button somewhere? - Thomas this is the log for http://regress.bacula.org/buildSummary.php?buildid=9028 : === Starting pretest at 00:06:47 === Starting the Bacula Storage daemon Starting the Bacula File daemon Starting the Bacula Director daemon Co

[Bacula-devel] bacula-sd kaboom on VirtualFull

2009-06-08 Thread Thomas Mueller
,24,31. since yesterday (june 7) the virtualfull kabooms. - Thomas [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] [New Thread 0x7f12a8ded6f0 (LWP 2211)] [New Thread 0x40cee950 (LWP 10389)] [New Thread 0x42d27950 (LWP 2219)] warning: no loadable sections found in added symbol-file sy

Re: [Bacula-devel] compiling 3.0.1 acl.c failed on Solaris

2009-05-07 Thread Thomas
failed with: make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/thomas/bacula-3.0.1/src/findlib' ==>Entering directory /home/thomas/bacula-3.0.1/src/filed make[1]: Entering directory `/home/thomas/bacula-3.0.1/src/filed' Compiling filed.c Compiling authenticate.c Compiling acl.c Compiling backu

[Bacula-devel] compiling 3.0.1 acl.c failed on Solaris

2009-05-07 Thread Thomas
ok, it's a very old solaris, but maybe somebody can fix this uname -a SunOS 5.9 Generic_112233-08 sun4u sparc SUNW,UltraSPARC-IIi-cEngine gcc --version gcc (GCC) 3.4.1 (OpenPKG-2.1) ./configure --enable-client-only make ==>Entering directory /root/bacula-3.0.1/src/filed Compiling filed.c Co

Re: [Bacula-devel] kaboom on VirtualFull svn rev. 8752

2009-04-29 Thread Thomas Mueller
7;ve now enabled "-O0". > > - Manually run the SD under the debugger, and when it crashes and gdb > gets control. Enter the command: > >print jcr >print *jcr >print jcr-

Re: [Bacula-devel] kaboom on VirtualFull svn rev. 8752

2009-04-27 Thread Thomas Mueller
tebin.com/f1ab4f8a8 > > At this time, you don't need to run daemons in debug mode, perhaps you > can activate the valgrind mode to see if it detects something. ex: > valgrind --leak-check=full ${BACDIRBIN}/bacula-sd -c > ${BACDIRCFG}/bacula-sd.conf valgrind log: http://paste

Re: [Bacula-devel] kaboom on VirtualFull svn rev. 8752

2009-04-27 Thread Thomas Mueller
to get a "unstripped" version when building the debian package. - Thomas PS: actually i had a typo in the subject, its not 5782 - it is 8752 -- Register Now & Save for Velocity, the Web Performance &

[Bacula-devel] kaboom on VirtualFull svn rev. 5782

2009-04-27 Thread Thomas Mueller
so other jobs on the same computer as the one "kabooming" - work without problems. bacula-sd debug log and traceback (don't know how to enable the "debugging symbols", do i need to pass configure options?): http://pastebin.com/m3154aaf1 l

Re: [Bacula-devel] build on ubuntu: libtool_args+=: not found (resolved)

2009-03-21 Thread Thomas Mueller
> >> seems also to be related to debian fakeroot bug #447022 > > Could you send me a link to that bug? It sounds interesting and worth > knowing about. http://bugs.debian.org/447022 -- Apps built with the Adobe(R)

[Bacula-devel] build on ubuntu: libtool_args+=: not found (resolved)

2009-03-21 Thread Thomas Mueller
hi i've figured out why building failes on ubuntu: freshly installed ubuntus link /bin/sh to /bin/dash. Seems that some scripts use bashisms. rm /bin/sh && ln -s /bin/bash /bin/sh did the trick. seems also to be related to debian fakeroot bug #447022 - Thomas make[1]: Leav

Re: [Bacula-devel] Bacula BETA 2.5.42-b2 released to Source Forge

2009-03-20 Thread Thomas Mueller
ge builds without problems on debian etch and lenny (the ones here: http://chaschperli.ch/debian/lenny- bacula). but not on ubuntu. - Thomas -- Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are pow

Re: [Bacula-devel] Bat doesn't show JobList

2009-03-19 Thread Thomas Mueller
rmation. > > Can anybody reproduce this, or tell me what I can do to get this > resolved? i've encountred this "bug" also: the JobList was "minimized". search with the mouse at the bottom but a

Re: [Bacula-devel] Bacula BETA 2.5.42-b2 released to Source Forge

2009-03-19 Thread Thomas Mueller
*** [bsmtp] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/buildd/bacula-2.5.42~beta2mit1/debian/ tmp-build-sqlite3/src/tools' make: *** [build-stamp-sqlite3] Error 2 rm configure-stamp-sqlite3 - Thomas -- Apps built

Re: [Bacula-devel] Next beta version of 2.5.42

2009-03-18 Thread Thomas Mueller
gt; until tomorrow morning. > is the beta 2.5.42-b2 officially released? - Thomas -- Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilitie

[Bacula-devel] mount twice to use purged tape

2009-03-10 Thread Thomas Mueller
after the first mount after the purge. - Thomas -- ___ Bacula-devel mailing list Bacula-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-devel

[Bacula-devel] bacula beta: debian etch/lenny amd64/i386 packages

2009-03-05 Thread Thomas Mueller
: deb http://chaschperli.ch/debian etch-bacula/ deb-src http://chaschperli.ch/debian etch-bacula/ for lenny add: deb http://chaschperli.ch/debian lenny-bacula/ deb-src http://chaschperli.ch/debian lenny-bacula/ - Thomas -

Re: [Bacula-devel] bacula beta: debian etch repository

2009-03-04 Thread Thomas Mueller
> > Now that Lenny is released, would it be possible for you to also link it > to "lenny-bacula" in your repository? I know it doesn't REALLY make a > difference, but if someone else is administering the system, I don't > want them to think "oh, etch-bacula, this is outdated, I need to update >

[Bacula-devel] bacula beta: debian etch repository

2009-03-04 Thread Thomas Mueller
he DB upgrade himself: the sql-file is found here /usr/share/dbconfig-common/data/bacula-director-mysql/upgrade/ mysql/2.5.0 (replace mysql with other flavors) happy testing. - Thomas -- Open Source Business Confer

Re: [Bacula-devel] [Bacula-users] unmounting USB Stick after a job failed

2008-08-14 Thread Thomas
there is no response from the users can someone please help me? > Thomas schrieb: >> i think this happens because bacula releases the USB device >> after the job. >> >> after the job i have this device state: >> Device "BB-USB1" (/media/USB) is

Re: [Bacula-devel] Feature request: Get list of files restored

2008-08-01 Thread Thomas
. Hemant Shah schrieb: > > > --- On Thu, 7/31/08, Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> From: Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: [Bacula-devel] Feature request: Get list of files restored >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Cc: bacula-devel@lists.sour

Re: [Bacula-devel] Feature request: Get list of files restored

2008-07-31 Thread Thomas
in the bacula-fd.conf you can change the message resource from # Send all messages except skipped files back to Director Messages { Name = Standard director = backup-dir = all, !skipped !restored } to # Send all messages except skipped files back to Director Messages { Name = Standard

Re: [Bacula-devel] valgrind for regression tests

2008-06-29 Thread Thomas Mueller
acula-* start with valgrind if there is the VALGRIND=1 env set. this leads to copying the tests and set the env... also i think -O2 is not the best to go with valgrind. needs something like -O1 or better -O0 compile optimization. - Thomas -

[Bacula-devel] valgrind for regression tests

2008-06-18 Thread Thomas Mueller
cula.org:8081/Bacula/Dashboard/Test?testname=.DynamicAnalysis.valgrind%3Aaccurate-test&submissionid=1624) is this sort of test usefull for the developers or is it just waste of time? - Thomas - Check out the new SourceForge.n

Re: [Bacula-devel] regression tests: test daemon start first

2008-06-17 Thread Thomas Mueller
hi kern Kern Sibbald schrieb: > Hello Thomas, > > Nice patch -- thanks, it will help cleanup the regression code -- especially > for new comers or when I screw up with an installation or a patch :-) found an error: the "exit 1" at the end in tests/pretest has to be

Re: [Bacula-devel] regression tests: make db parameters configurable

2008-06-12 Thread Thomas Mueller
Kern Sibbald schrieb: > On Wednesday 11 June 2008 16:43:42 Thomas Mueller wrote: >> hi Kern >> >>>> So here is my proposal to set the parameters in the config file. Patch >>>> generated with "svn diff" in "regress" folder. >>>

[Bacula-devel] regression tests: test daemon start first

2008-06-11 Thread Thomas Mueller
tches for trunk and branch-2.4 attached. nightly-experimental-pretest.trunk.patch applies also to branch-2.4. attention: new executable file tests/pretest - Thomas Index: scripts/functions === --- scripts/functions (revision 7128) ++

[Bacula-devel] PostgreSQL: Orphaned buffer

2008-06-11 Thread Thomas Mueller
phaned" doesn't seem to sound like a very good thing. - Thomas - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source.

Re: [Bacula-devel] regression tests: make db parameters configurable

2008-06-11 Thread Thomas Mueller
existing users without the db parameters in their > config file, it will continue to work. I updated from svn trunk. the file regress/scripts/regress-config.in (new file) is missing. This results in a blank regress/scripts/regress-config. - Thomas --

[Bacula-devel] regression tests: make db parameters configurable

2008-06-10 Thread Thomas Mueller
hi I ran into an issue with PostgreSQL. I don't know how to get it working without a password for user "regress". So here is my proposal to set the parameters in the config file. Patch generated with "svn diff" in "regress" folder. - Thomas Index: scrip

Re: [Bacula-devel] [Bacula-beta] Release 2.4.0 cut please note changes !!!!!!

2008-06-04 Thread Thomas Mueller
ing nightly regress tests, does this mean that we should focus > on Branch-2.4 and trunk, and not worry about Branch-2.2 anymore? > general question: on which branches should i run the tests? now i do only trunk. - Thomas ---

Re: [Bacula-devel] Regression Dashboard

2008-06-03 Thread Thomas Mueller
d in dashboard (http://regress.bacula.org:8081/Bacula/Dashboard/Submission?submissionid=1269). Is it just possible to run it once a day? > > Of course, if you can get your hands on a Solaris for i386, that would

Re: [Bacula-devel] Regression Dashboard

2008-05-30 Thread Thomas Mueller
hi there i've got a intel dual dual core with 4GB ram box standing around waiting for some workload. i could install a small number of linux distros as virtual machines. just tell me which ones are needed or on the wishlist. then i try to set up the whole thing. - Thomas Kern Si

Re: [Bacula-devel] commit failed with authorization failure

2008-04-04 Thread Thomas
Hi Kern, yes, that's fix the problem. thanks, Thomas Kern Sibbald schrieb: > Hello Thomas, > > On Friday 04 April 2008 11:20:46 Thomas wrote: >> Hi, >> >> >> currently (~ since Wednesday ?) i >> can't commit any changes to the svn (Userna

Re: [Bacula-devel] StorageDaemon: Job name not found

2008-03-31 Thread Thomas Rotter
t first I tried to build a port forwarding from fd:19103 to sd:9103 - with an error. Then I build a port forwarding from fd:9103 to sd:9103 - successfully. Now you can decide if I didn't read the manual and howtos correctly or you want to add this to any kind of howto or something else. Regard

Re: [Bacula-devel] StorageDaemon: Job name not found

2008-03-31 Thread Thomas Rotter
here - if you want to know about the result. Best regards, Thomas --- > On Monday 31 March 2008 11:33:29 Pierce wrote: >> Hi, >> >> it's true, I asked this question in bacula-users list. There I get no >> answer. I also program (java, no C) and thats why I think the q

[Bacula-devel] StorageDaemon: Job name not found

2008-03-31 Thread Thomas Rotter
different versions of FD. The FD is: less than 2.0.3 I hope anobody can help me. Kind regards, Thomas Rotter - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just abou

[Bacula-devel] FWD: [Bacula-users] Verify-Job with a missing file ends in a sql-insert-loop if the message-resource contains "catalog = all"

2007-11-01 Thread Thomas Glatthor
T INTO > Log (JobId, Time, LogText) VALUES (2332,'2007-10-16 14:48:39','backup-dir > JobId 2332: /etc/einetestdatei > ')' . and again and again and again. ~19873 times till i have cancled the job looks like the only limit is the diskspace on my datab

[Bacula-devel] translating the bootstrap chapter

2007-09-17 Thread Thomas
r/lib/bacula/ with a filename like backup-dir.restore.2.bsr > If you want to extract or copy a single Job, you can do it by selecting by > JobId (code not tested) or better yet, is the code still untestet? how to copy a job with bextract or bscan? unclear Best regards Thomas

[Bacula-devel] questions about the autochanger-chapter autochangers.tex

2007-09-11 Thread Thomas Glatthor
a is accepted. this is ok. > If the exit status is non-zero, Bacula ignores any information returned and > treats the drive as if it is not an autochanger. unclear the drive is not an autochanger? on non-zero exit Bacula gives errors like 3307 Issuing autochanger "unload slot

Re: [Bacula-devel] Bacula version 2.2.2

2007-09-11 Thread Thomas Glatthor
ms, but with unbelievable speed: files MB time 12.873 352 00:00:14 the last InitCatalog with 2.0.3: files MB time 12.873 352 00:05:44 is this the effect of "Batch insert enabled: yes" ? my clients are still 2.0.3 Be

Re: [Bacula-devel] Bacula version 2.2.2

2007-09-05 Thread Thomas
ms, but with unbelievable speed: files MB time 12.873 352 00:00:14 the last InitCatalog with 2.0.3: files MB time 12.873 352 00:05:44 is this the effect of "Batch insert enabled: yes" ? my clients are still 2.0.3 Be

Re: [Bacula-devel] Developer coordination

2007-06-28 Thread Thomas Traeger
>> maybe trac is also an option? >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trac >> *http://trac*.edgewall.org >> >> It integrates a wiki, ticket system, milestone management and subversion >> browser. >> > > Thanks. Unfortunately, it seems to lack an email interface. RT (and most > likely otrs)

Re: [Bacula-devel] Developer coordination

2007-06-28 Thread Thomas Traeger
Kern Sibbald schrieb: > If you are familar with RT, I would appreciate hearing your comments about > this proposal. If you are not familar with RT, you might want to take a look > at their site, though reading their documentation and viewing their > screenshots is not quite the same as using th