Re: [Bacula-devel] [Bacula-users] Idea/suggestion for dedicated disk-based sd

2010-05-16 Thread Kern Sibbald
On Tuesday 04 May 2010 10:45:16 Craig Ringer wrote: > On 4/05/2010 11:45 AM, Morty Abzug wrote: > > file dedup (rather than block dedup) could mostly be handled at the > > catalog level with another level of indirection. I.e. instead of a > > catalog entry containing file metadata and where the fi

Re: [Bacula-devel] [Bacula-users] Idea/suggestion for dedicated disk-based sd

2010-05-09 Thread Kern Sibbald
On Sunday 09 May 2010 22:53:19 Morty Abzug wrote: > On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 08:10:42AM +0200, Michael Stapelberg wrote: > > Excerpts from Craig Ringer's message of 2010-05-05 01:19:02 +0200: > > > To back up transient machines like laptops. > > > > You can back up laptops just fine using a VPN or I

Re: [Bacula-devel] [Bacula-users] Idea/suggestion for dedicated disk-based sd

2010-05-09 Thread Morty Abzug
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 08:10:42AM +0200, Michael Stapelberg wrote: > Excerpts from Craig Ringer's message of 2010-05-05 01:19:02 +0200: > > To back up transient machines like laptops. > You can back up laptops just fine using a VPN or IPv6 (if you either use > Mobile IPv6 (I know nobody who does)

Re: [Bacula-devel] [Bacula-users] Idea/suggestion for dedicated disk-based sd

2010-05-09 Thread Morty Abzug
On Fri, May 07, 2010 at 10:13:56AM +1000, Gary R. Schmidt wrote: > Does "status client" not give this? Indeed, yes. Thanks! - Morty -- ___ Bacula-devel mailing list Bacula-d

Re: [Bacula-devel] [Bacula-users] Idea/suggestion for dedicated disk-based sd

2010-05-06 Thread Gary R. Schmidt
On Wed, May 5, 2010 15:28, Morty Abzug wrote: > On Tue, May 04, 2010 at 11:43:32PM +0200, Michael Stapelberg wrote: > >> > (1) no way to do a simple client check (AKA amcheck -c.) >> > (2) no way to do a simple tape check (AKA amcheck -lt) >> What exactly do you mean with "client check" and "tape c

Re: [Bacula-devel] [Bacula-users] Idea/suggestion for dedicated disk-based sd

2010-05-04 Thread Michael Stapelberg
Hi Craig, Excerpts from Craig Ringer's message of 2010-05-05 01:19:02 +0200: > To back up transient machines like laptops. You can back up laptops just fine using a VPN or IPv6 (if you either use Mobile IPv6 (I know nobody who does) or update your DNS (I do that)). > "batch mode" refers to "non-b

Re: [Bacula-devel] [Bacula-users] Idea/suggestion for dedicated disk-based sd

2010-05-04 Thread Morty Abzug
On Tue, May 04, 2010 at 11:43:32PM +0200, Michael Stapelberg wrote: > > (1) no way to do a simple client check (AKA amcheck -c.) > > (2) no way to do a simple tape check (AKA amcheck -lt) > What exactly do you mean with "client check" and "tape check"? "client check" meaning that all clients are

Re: [Bacula-devel] [Bacula-users] Idea/suggestion for dedicated disk-based sd

2010-05-04 Thread Craig Ringer
On 5/05/2010 5:43 AM, Michael Stapelberg wrote: >> (6) no proper client/server model. bacula "clients" need inbound ports > Why would one want a "proper" client/server model? Not having the need to > contact the director all the time is actually good, IMO (you would have to > do that when not hav

Re: [Bacula-devel] [Bacula-users] Idea/suggestion for dedicated disk-based sd

2010-05-04 Thread Michael Stapelberg
Hi Morty, Excerpts from Morty Abzug's message of 2010-05-04 19:33:12 +0200: > (1) no way to do a simple client check (AKA amcheck -c.) > (2) no way to do a simple tape check (AKA amcheck -lt) What exactly do you mean with "client check" and "tape check"? > (4) no way to logically group hosts into

Re: [Bacula-devel] [Bacula-users] Idea/suggestion for dedicated disk-based sd

2010-05-04 Thread Morty Abzug
On Tue, May 04, 2010 at 04:45:16PM +0800, Craig Ringer wrote: > On 4/05/2010 11:45 AM, Morty Abzug wrote: > >> file dedup (rather than block dedup) could mostly be handled at the >> catalog level with another level of indirection. I.e. instead of a >> catalog entry containing file metadata and whe

Re: [Bacula-devel] [Bacula-users] Idea/suggestion for dedicated disk-based sd

2010-05-04 Thread Craig Ringer
On 4/05/2010 11:45 AM, Morty Abzug wrote: > file dedup (rather than block dedup) could mostly be handled at the > catalog level with another level of indirection. I.e. instead of a > catalog entry containing file metadata and where the file lives on > media, it would contain file metadata and a f

Re: [Bacula-devel] [Bacula-users] Idea/suggestion for dedicated disk-based sd

2010-05-03 Thread Morty Abzug
On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 08:39:04AM +0200, Kern Sibbald wrote: > However, from what I see, this is basically similar to what BackuPC > does. The big problem I have with it is that it does not scale well > to thousands of machines. file dedup (rather than block dedup) could mostly be handled at th

Re: [Bacula-devel] [Bacula-users] Idea/suggestion for dedicated disk-based sd

2010-04-08 Thread Henrik Johansen
On 04/ 9/10 03:16 AM, Gary R. Schmidt wrote: > On Fri, April 9, 2010 05:26, Henrik Johansen wrote: >> On 04/ 8/10 07:36 PM, Phil Stracchino wrote: >>> On 04/08/10 09:13, Craig Ringer wrote: Phil Stracchino wrote: > I'll be interested to see those results. Which filesystems are you > t

Re: [Bacula-devel] [Bacula-users] Idea/suggestion for dedicated disk-based sd

2010-04-08 Thread Gary R. Schmidt
On Fri, April 9, 2010 05:26, Henrik Johansen wrote: > On 04/ 8/10 07:36 PM, Phil Stracchino wrote: >> On 04/08/10 09:13, Craig Ringer wrote: >>> Phil Stracchino wrote: I'll be interested to see those results. Which filesystems are you testing? >>> >>> I'm interested in ext3, ext4 and xfs

Re: [Bacula-devel] [Bacula-users] Idea/suggestion for dedicated disk-based sd

2010-04-08 Thread Gary R. Schmidt
On Fri, April 9, 2010 05:09, Richard Scobie wrote: [snip] > You may find the XFS mount directive, "filestreams" of benefit here. And using the 64-bit XFS will also better[1] than the standard 32-bit XFS. Or the hybrid 32-bit XFS using 64-bit layout rules. (Damn, I only left SGI at the end of 200

Re: [Bacula-devel] [Bacula-users] Idea/suggestion for dedicated disk-based sd

2010-04-08 Thread Henrik Johansen
On 04/ 8/10 07:36 PM, Phil Stracchino wrote: > On 04/08/10 09:13, Craig Ringer wrote: >> Phil Stracchino wrote: >>> I'll be interested to see those results. Which filesystems are you testing? >> >> I'm interested in ext3, ext4 and xfs. I should probably look at zfs too, >> but don't have any hosts

Re: [Bacula-devel] [Bacula-users] Idea/suggestion for dedicated disk-based sd

2010-04-08 Thread Phil Stracchino
On 04/08/10 09:13, Craig Ringer wrote: > Phil Stracchino wrote: >> I'll be interested to see those results. Which filesystems are you testing? > > I'm interested in ext3, ext4 and xfs. I should probably look at zfs too, > but don't have any hosts that it runs on usefully and don't really have > a

Re: [Bacula-devel] [Bacula-users] Idea/suggestion for dedicated disk-based sd

2010-04-08 Thread Craig Ringer
Phil Stracchino wrote: > On 04/08/10 03:53, Craig Ringer wrote: >> BTW, When I suggested that greater write concurrency would be desirable >> and should be easier, Phil Stracchino raised some concerns about >> concurrent writes to a file system increasing fragmentation and hurting >> overall perfor

Re: [Bacula-devel] [Bacula-users] Idea/suggestion for dedicated disk-based sd

2010-04-08 Thread Phil Stracchino
On 04/08/10 03:53, Craig Ringer wrote: > BTW, When I suggested that greater write concurrency would be desirable > and should be easier, Phil Stracchino raised some concerns about > concurrent writes to a file system increasing fragmentation and hurting > overall performance. Rather than just wave

Re: [Bacula-devel] [Bacula-users] Idea/suggestion for dedicated disk-based sd

2010-04-08 Thread Craig Ringer
Kern Sibbald wrote: > Hello, > > I haven't seen the original messages, so I am not sure if I understand the > full concept here so my remarks may not be pertinent. Personally I wasn't suggesting a format change - I'm pretty happy with the fake-tape volumes for on-disk storage (though I wish be

Re: [Bacula-devel] [Bacula-users] Idea/suggestion for dedicated disk-based sd

2010-04-07 Thread Kern Sibbald
Hello, I haven't seen the original messages, so I am not sure if I understand the full concept here so my remarks may not be pertinent. However, from what I see, this is basically similar to what BackuPC does. The big problem I have with it is that it does not scale well to thousands of mac

Re: [Bacula-devel] [Bacula-users] Idea/suggestion for dedicated disk-based sd

2010-04-07 Thread Phil Stracchino
On 04/07/10 18:52, Robert LeBlanc wrote: > I didn't think about the copy/migration jobs (I'm using them), and > that would be a problem. It seems for this to take off, the > copy/migration between SDs will have to be implemented. We would have > to look at the stream as a copy/migration is happenin

Re: [Bacula-devel] [Bacula-users] Idea/suggestion for dedicated disk-based sd

2010-04-07 Thread Phil Stracchino
On 04/07/10 16:15, Phil Stracchino wrote: > On 04/07/10 12:06, Robert LeBlanc wrote (in bacula-users): >> So still thinking about this, is there any reason to not have a >> hierarchical file structure for disk based backup rather than a >> serialized stream? Here are my thought, any comments welcom

Re: [Bacula-devel] [Bacula-users] Idea/suggestion for dedicated disk-based sd

2010-04-07 Thread Phil Stracchino
On 04/07/10 12:06, Robert LeBlanc wrote (in bacula-users): > So still thinking about this, is there any reason to not have a > hierarchical file structure for disk based backup rather than a > serialized stream? Here are my thought, any comments welcome to have a > good discussion about this. > >