Re: [Bacula-users] Dell PV-124T with Ultrium TD4, Hardware or Software compression?

2010-08-14 Thread Dietz Pröpper
Peter Zenge: Remember also that if you are trying to minimize tape/disk/other backup media space used, and using encryption, you will need to use software compression. The FD compresses before encrypting; once encrypted, as noted above, the data is no longer compressible... Ack, that was

Re: [Bacula-users] Dell PV-124T with Ultrium TD4, Hardware or Software compression?

2010-08-14 Thread Phil Stracchino
On 08/14/10 09:34, Dietz Pröpper wrote: Peter Zenge: Remember also that if you are trying to minimize tape/disk/other backup media space used, and using encryption, you will need to use software compression. The FD compresses before encrypting; once encrypted, as noted above, the data is no

Re: [Bacula-users] Dell PV-124T with Ultrium TD4, Hardware or Software compression?

2010-08-14 Thread Paul Mather
On Aug 13, 2010, at 2:23 PM, Dietz Pröpper wrote: You: On Aug 13, 2010, at 4:10 AM, Dietz Pröpper wrote: IMHO there are two problems with hardware compression: 1. Data mix: The compression algorithms tend to work quite well on compressable stuff, but can't cope very well with precompressed

Re: [Bacula-users] Dell PV-124T with Ultrium TD4, Hardware or Software compression?

2010-08-14 Thread Dietz Pröpper
Phil Stracchino: On 08/14/10 09:34, Dietz Pröpper wrote: Peter Zenge: Remember also that if you are trying to minimize tape/disk/other backup media space used, and using encryption, you will need to use software compression. The FD compresses before encrypting; once encrypted, as noted

Re: [Bacula-users] Dell PV-124T with Ultrium TD4, Hardware or Software compression?

2010-08-14 Thread Dietz Pröpper
You: On Aug 13, 2010, at 2:23 PM, Dietz Pröpper wrote: You: On Aug 13, 2010, at 4:10 AM, Dietz Pröpper wrote: IMHO there are two problems with hardware compression: 1. Data mix: The compression algorithms tend to work quite well on compressable stuff, but can't cope very well with

Re: [Bacula-users] Dell PV-124T with Ultrium TD4, Hardware or Software compression?

2010-08-13 Thread Dietz Pröpper
Rory Campbell-Lange: On 12/08/10, Mike Hanby (mha...@uab.edu) wrote: I'm curious whether others with the PV-124T with LTO4 are using hardware or software compression. I am testing a new Bacula deployment with one of these autoloaders / drives and haven't found a good suggestion as to

Re: [Bacula-users] Dell PV-124T with Ultrium TD4, Hardware or Software compression?

2010-08-13 Thread Dietz Pröpper
John Drescher: On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 6:59 PM, Mike Hanby mha...@uab.edu wrote: Howdy, I'm curious whether others with the PV-124T with LTO4 are using hardware or software compression. I am testing a new Bacula deployment with one of these autoloaders / drives and haven't found a

Re: [Bacula-users] Dell PV-124T with Ultrium TD4, Hardware or Software compression?

2010-08-13 Thread John Drescher
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:12 AM, Dietz Pröpper di...@rotfl.franken.de wrote: John Drescher: On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 6:59 PM, Mike Hanby mha...@uab.edu wrote: Howdy, I'm curious whether others with the PV-124T with LTO4 are using hardware or software compression. I am testing a new

Re: [Bacula-users] Dell PV-124T with Ultrium TD4, Hardware or Software compression?

2010-08-13 Thread Dietz Pröpper
John Drescher: On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:12 AM, Dietz Pröpper di...@rotfl.franken.de wrote: John Drescher: On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 6:59 PM, Mike Hanby mha...@uab.edu wrote: Howdy, I'm curious whether others with the PV-124T with LTO4 are using hardware or software compression.

Re: [Bacula-users] Dell PV-124T with Ultrium TD4, Hardware or Software compression?

2010-08-13 Thread Paul Mather
On Aug 13, 2010, at 4:10 AM, Dietz Pröpper wrote: IMHO there are two problems with hardware compression: 1. Data mix: The compression algorithms tend to work quite well on compressable stuff, but can't cope very well with precompressed stuff, i.e. encrypted data or media files. On an old

Re: [Bacula-users] Dell PV-124T with Ultrium TD4, Hardware or Software compression?

2010-08-13 Thread Phil Stracchino
On 08/13/10 04:10, Dietz Pröpper wrote: IMHO there are two problems with hardware compression: 1. Data mix: The compression algorithms tend to work quite well on compressable stuff, but can't cope very well with precompressed stuff, i.e. encrypted data or media files. On an old DLT drive

Re: [Bacula-users] Dell PV-124T with Ultrium TD4, Hardware or Software compression?

2010-08-13 Thread Mike Hanby
Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] Dell PV-124T with Ultrium TD4, Hardware or Software compression? On 08/13/10 04:10, Dietz Pröpper wrote: IMHO there are two problems with hardware compression: 1. Data mix: The compression algorithms tend to work quite well on compressable stuff, but can't cope very

Re: [Bacula-users] Dell PV-124T with Ultrium TD4, Hardware or Software compression?

2010-08-13 Thread Dietz Pröpper
You: On Aug 13, 2010, at 4:10 AM, Dietz Pröpper wrote: IMHO there are two problems with hardware compression: 1. Data mix: The compression algorithms tend to work quite well on compressable stuff, but can't cope very well with precompressed stuff, i.e. encrypted data or media files. On an

Re: [Bacula-users] Dell PV-124T with Ultrium TD4, Hardware or Software compression?

2010-08-13 Thread Dietz Pröpper
Phil Stracchino: Neither of these issues is applicable to LTO. The compression algorithm (which is a pretty good one) is defined in the LTO specification, and the drive compresses data block-by-block, doing a trial compression of each data block and writing whichever is the smaller of the

Re: [Bacula-users] Dell PV-124T with Ultrium TD4, Hardware or Software compression?

2010-08-13 Thread Peter Zenge
From: Phil Stracchino [mailto:ala...@metrocast.net] Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 7:51 AM To: bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] Dell PV-124T with Ultrium TD4, Hardware or Software compression? On 08/13/10 04:10, Dietz Pröpper wrote: IMHO there are two

Re: [Bacula-users] Dell PV-124T with Ultrium TD4, Hardware or Software compression?

2010-08-13 Thread John Drescher
Remember also that if you are trying to minimize tape/disk/other backup media space used, and using encryption, you will need to use software compression.   The FD compresses before encrypting; once encrypted, as noted above, the data is no longer compressible... LTO4 and above have builtin

[Bacula-users] Dell PV-124T with Ultrium TD4, Hardware or Software compression?

2010-08-12 Thread Mike Hanby
Howdy, I'm curious whether others with the PV-124T with LTO4 are using hardware or software compression. I am testing a new Bacula deployment with one of these autoloaders / drives and haven't found a good suggestion as to which type of compression to go with. Thanks, Mike

Re: [Bacula-users] Dell PV-124T with Ultrium TD4, Hardware or Software compression?

2010-08-12 Thread Rory Campbell-Lange
On 12/08/10, Mike Hanby (mha...@uab.edu) wrote: I'm curious whether others with the PV-124T with LTO4 are using hardware or software compression. I am testing a new Bacula deployment with one of these autoloaders / drives and haven't found a good suggestion as to which type of compression

Re: [Bacula-users] Dell PV-124T with Ultrium TD4, Hardware or Software compression?

2010-08-12 Thread John Drescher
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 6:59 PM, Mike Hanby mha...@uab.edu wrote: Howdy, I'm curious whether others with the PV-124T with LTO4 are using hardware or software compression. I am testing a new Bacula deployment with one of these autoloaders / drives and haven't found a good suggestion as to

Re: [Bacula-users] Dell PV-124T with Ultrium TD4, Hardware or Software compression?

2010-08-12 Thread Craig White
On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 17:59 -0500, Mike Hanby wrote: Howdy, I'm curious whether others with the PV-124T with LTO4 are using hardware or software compression. I am testing a new Bacula deployment with one of these autoloaders / drives and haven't found a good suggestion as to which type