Re: [Bacula-users] products based on bacula

2009-01-23 Thread Kevin Keane
I've got to defend management here. IME, they DO ask for evaluations, reports, executive summaries, the works. But they only ask it for the short list of products after an initial culling, often only between the two or three finalists. How many commercial enterprise backup systems are there on

Re: [Bacula-users] products based on bacula

2009-01-23 Thread Mag Gam
Nice post Kevin. On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 5:20 AM, Kevin Keane subscript...@kkeane.com wrote: I've got to defend management here. IME, they DO ask for evaluations, reports, executive summaries, the works. But they only ask it for the short list of products after an initial culling, often only

Re: [Bacula-users] products based on bacula

2009-01-22 Thread Ryan Novosielski
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Trouble is management these days in a lot of places doesn't know enough to make a decision other than on a cost or name basis. You'd expect if a person was unsure, they'd ask for a walkthrough or a synopsis, maybe with an extended trial period -- not

Re: [Bacula-users] products based on bacula

2009-01-21 Thread Mag Gam
I have got a lot of convincing to do. :-( Will try my best. On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 2:16 AM, Jon Ingason jon.inga...@sentor.se wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Scott Lambert skrev: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 08:00:21PM -0500, Mag Gam wrote: I agree for the most part of

Re: [Bacula-users] products based on bacula

2009-01-20 Thread Mike Holden
Frank Sweetser wrote: Because many mangers, used to dealing with and fighting over budgets 7 out of 8 hours a day, tend to equate cost with value. They're used to paying more to get what they want, so assume that if they're not paying more, whatever they're getting must not be what they

Re: [Bacula-users] products based on bacula

2009-01-20 Thread Scott Lambert
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 08:00:21PM -0500, Mag Gam wrote: I agree for the most part of what you said but when *we* (our team) is competing with other teams in the firm to design and implement our solution we also want management to take us seriously. Most of our MBA management like names with

Re: [Bacula-users] products based on bacula

2009-01-20 Thread James Harper
Alan Brown wrote: On Mon, 19 Jan 2009, Mag Gam wrote: It comes in the night and sucks the essence from your computers. My manager would freak if she sees this... Given that packages with equivalent functionality to Bacula run to at least $30k, why would she freak? Because many

Re: [Bacula-users] products based on bacula

2009-01-20 Thread Dan Langille
James Harper wrote: Alan Brown wrote: On Mon, 19 Jan 2009, Mag Gam wrote: It comes in the night and sucks the essence from your computers. My manager would freak if she sees this... Given that packages with equivalent functionality to Bacula run to at least $30k, why would she freak?

Re: [Bacula-users] products based on bacula

2009-01-20 Thread Frank Sweetser
Dan Langille wrote: James Harper wrote: Alan Brown wrote: On Mon, 19 Jan 2009, Mag Gam wrote: It comes in the night and sucks the essence from your computers. My manager would freak if she sees this... Given that packages with equivalent functionality to Bacula run to at least $30k, why

Re: [Bacula-users] products based on bacula

2009-01-20 Thread Jon Ingason
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Scott Lambert skrev: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 08:00:21PM -0500, Mag Gam wrote: I agree for the most part of what you said but when *we* (our team) is competing with other teams in the firm to design and implement our solution we also want

[Bacula-users] products based on bacula

2009-01-19 Thread Mag Gam
We are planning to implement bacula at one of our major manufacturing plants. Is there a professional version of this product or something similar to it with a different name. Our storage engineering team is in the process of writing proposals for various solutions but they are hesitant to use

Re: [Bacula-users] products based on bacula

2009-01-19 Thread Mag Gam
It comes in the night and sucks the essence from your computers. My manager would freak if she sees this... On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 2:02 PM, C M Reinehr c...@amsent.com wrote: On Mon 19 January 2009 12:08, Mag Gam wrote: We are planning to implement bacula at one of our major manufacturing

Re: [Bacula-users] products based on bacula

2009-01-19 Thread C M Reinehr
On Mon 19 January 2009 13:57, Mag Gam wrote: It comes in the night and sucks the essence from your computers. My manager would freak if she sees this... Can't help you with that! (You'll have to take that up with Kern Sibbald. ) It is, of course, open source, so I suppose you could repackage

Re: [Bacula-users] products based on bacula

2009-01-19 Thread Kevin Keane
I suspect it's more because it's not a household name. As a term, bacula is really no worse than Windows or Yahoo or Google. People just aren't used to it. In marketing, there is a rule: a customer must have heard of a product seven times before it becomes familiar and is considered

Re: [Bacula-users] products based on bacula

2009-01-19 Thread Rich
On 2009.01.19. 22:11, C M Reinehr wrote: On Mon 19 January 2009 13:57, Mag Gam wrote: It comes in the night and sucks the essence from your computers. My manager would freak if she sees this... Can't help you with that! (You'll have to take that up with Kern Sibbald. ) It is, of course,

Re: [Bacula-users] products based on bacula

2009-01-19 Thread Ryan Novosielski
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kern sent an e-mail recently about the professional services arm of the company that would be releasing software from Bacula Systems or something like that. I would respectfully say that if a company is deciding what backup software to use based on

Re: [Bacula-users] products based on bacula

2009-01-19 Thread Mag Gam
I guess this is more of a marketing questionI meant no disrespect for the product. Overall, it seems like a killer backup application. I would respectfully say that if a company is deciding what backup software to use based on the name of the software (Bacula isn't an overly silly name --