>>Abdu'l-Baha envisioned a Universal House of Justice that would have a living
>>Guardian serving on it at all times, and as its Head. In that formulation,
>>why wouldn't the infallibility of the House come through the Guardian?>>
I would like to offer some thoughts on this subject raised by Ha
Because Baha'u'llah makes no mention of the Institution of the Guardianship by
name in His Writings; and because even those references in His Writings to a
hereditary successor are limited to "Him Who hath branched from this mighty
Stock", "Him Who hath branched from this Ancient Root," and "the
"I thought this too, until someone suggested to me that
the guidance of the first Guardian as laid down in
numerous letters could be seen as that there is still
a Guardian, and that the Universal House of Justice
consults with the Guardian when they consult his
letters."
Dear Janine,
I think the
In a message dated 1/30/2005 10:17:18 P.M. Central Standard Time,
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I think
this verse in Kitab-i-Aqdas is just referring to the matter of endowmwnt (vaqf
and oqaf) and how it should be handled. Why should one relate it to
Guardian?
Dear
Firouz,
Gilberto:
What would be left to [Buddhists] to cling to from the setting of the
day-star of [Sidhartha Gautama] until the rise of the [next
Manifestation (Jesus?)] What law could be their stay and guide?
Buddha has revealed many nice spiritual teaching similar to 10 commandments
of Moses. These Te
Dear
Susan, you wrote:
What the
rest of the Baha'i community did was go back to what Baha'u'llah said was to
happen if His lineage ran out before the election of the Universal House of
Justice. This was stated in the Aqdas:
"Endowments dedicated to charity revert to God, the Revealer of
Dear Ahang,
you wrote:
---
> Abdu'l-Baha envisioned a Universal House of Justice
> that would have a living
> Guardian serving on it at all times, and as its
> Head. In that formulation, why
> wouldn't the infallibility of the House come through
> the Guardian?
what makes you so certain that Ab
Gilberto:
Ok, I believe you. But then when you are in your Bahai paradigm, and
read that the Buddha is identified with being a Manifestation, but the
teachings of real live Buddhists in the world don't seem to be
consistent with the Bahai teachings, I'm not sure what you do. Do you
bracket the para
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:09:44 -0500 (EST), Iskandar Hai, M.D.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Jan 2005, Gilberto Simpson wrote:
> > And it just begs the question:
> > What would be left to [Buddhists] to cling to from the setting of the
> > day-star of [Sidhartha Gautama] until the rise of
"Well, Jesus didn't write any of the New Testament himself either."
No, but at least the NT material was written within a generation of His
passing. Here we are talking about two centuries later.
"What would be left to [Buddhists] to cling to from the setting of the
day-star of [Sidhartha Gautama
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005, Gilberto Simpson wrote:
>
> And it just begs the question:
>
> What would be left to [Buddhists] to cling to from the setting of the
> day-star of [Sidhartha Gautama] until the rise of the [next
> Manifestation (Jesus?)] What law could be their stay and guide?
>
> Peace
>
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:09:27 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In a message dated 1/30/2005 12:52:43 PM Central Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > That would be my view, yes. However, I assume you believe in
> contextualizing some sort of timeless (?) essentialist mora
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:29:38 -0600, Susan Maneck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "I am personally open to the
> idea that Buddha may have been a prophet, But I wouldn't insist on it
> the way that the Bahais do."
> Dear Gilberto,
> We believe it because Abdu'l-Baha said so.
Fair enough.
> "So
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:50:20 -0800, Patti Goebel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > But in the Kitab I-Iqan is the section which has often been quoted to me:
> >
> > How could God, when once the Day-star of the beauty of Jesus had
> > disappeared from the sight of His people, and ascended unto the four
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>The compilation is excellent Sandra. Thank
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>The compilation
"I am personally open to the
idea that Buddha may have been a prophet, But I wouldn't insist on it
the way that the Bahais do."
Dear Gilberto,
We believe it because Abdu'l-Baha said so.
"So don't have any reason to believe that
the current Buddhist scriptures are distorted."
Buddha appeared
In a message dated 1/30/2005 12:52:43 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> That would be my view, yes. However, I assume you believe in contextualizing some sort of timeless (?) essentialist moralitySure. Except I'm not sure I can clearly even imagine the alternative.My understa
> But in the Kitab I-Iqan is the section which has often been quoted to me:
>
> How could God, when once the Day-star of the beauty of Jesus had
> disappeared from the sight of His people, and ascended unto the fourth
> heaven, cause His holy Book, His most great testimony amongst His
> creatures,
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:59:25 -0600, Susan Maneck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "If that's the case, why would God have let the message [of Buddhism] get
> distorted
> in this way?"
>
> Dear Gilberto,
>
> You believe the same thing has happened to Christianity and Judaism, don't
> you?
I was
"If that's the case, why would God have let the message get distorted
in this way?"
Dear Gilberto,
You believe the same thing has happened to Christianity and Judaism, don't
you?
warmest, Susan
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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:36:14 -0600, Mark A. Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gilberto,
> At 07:55 AM 1/30/2005, you wrote:
> >>I gave this a little more thought and I think that perhaps we could all
> >>agree that morality can be "situational" and that what is appropriate or
> >>inappropriat
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 09:56:36 -0800, Patti Goebel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Gilberto:
> > > I don't believe that the Nicean creed is necessarily authentic
> > > Christianity. The real Christians were probably all eaten by lions or
> > > never left the catecombs. There are some Jewish Christian (lik
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:18:57 -0800, Patti Goebel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Gilberto:
> > Ok, I believe you. But then when you are in your Bahai paradigm, and
> > read that the Buddha is identified with being a Manifestation, but the
> > teachings of real live Buddhists in the world don't seem
In a message dated 1/30/2005 12:29:19 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What evidence is there that he envisioned a living
Guardian?
Dear Gilberto,
Abdu'l-Baha talks about the Guardian being the head of the Universal
House of Justice for life in the Will
"Considering that I wasn't stating my opinion and and defining
my personal logic in an attempt to persuade, I would have to
say "No" to your question.
I don't view this as a great
debate with a winner and loser."
Dear Sandra,
Sorry if I came down too hard in that last post. I'm using the term
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 03:16:17 -0800 (PST), Ahang Rabbani
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > But as
> > before the infallibility in no way comes from the Guardian.
>
> Abdu'l-Baha envisioned a Universal House of Justice that would have a living
> Guardian serving on it at all times, and as its Head. In
"Abdu'l-Baha envisioned a Universal House of Justice that would have a
living
Guardian serving on it at all times, and as its Head. In that formulation,
why
wouldn't the infallibility of the House come through the Guardian?"
Dear Ahang,
First off, the Guardian did not have to serve on it at all
> Sorry if I'm misunderstanding but are you a Remey-ite?
Are you insane??"
LOL. Gilberto is not a Baha'i, Ahang, and he doesn't know you. But he is
familiar with Remeyite arguments and some of your arguments resembled
theirs. They insist that the infallibility of the House of Justice is
somethin
> Gilberto:
> Ok, I believe you. But then when you are in your Bahai paradigm, and
> read that the Buddha is identified with being a Manifestation, but the
> teachings of real live Buddhists in the world don't seem to be
> consistent with the Bahai teachings, I'm not sure what you do. Do you
> brac
> > I don't believe that the Nicean creed is necessarily authentic
> > Christianity. The real Christians were probably all eaten by lions or
> > never left the catecombs. There are some Jewish Christian (like
> > Ebionites) groups with docetic tendancies which from a Muslim
> > perspective seem a l
Gilberto,
At 07:55 AM 1/30/2005, you wrote:
>>I gave this a little more thought and I think that perhaps we could all agree
>>that morality can be "situational" and that what is appropriate or
>>inappropriate can depend on the concrete specifics of a situation, but I
>>think that would still se
Gilberto,
At 07:31 AM 1/30/2005, you wrote:
>>Sorry if I'm misunderstanding but are you a Remey-ite?<<
Sorry I didn't catch this message earlier. I have been running a fever.
Ahang Rabbani is far from it. He is a devoted member of the Baha'i Faith. What
would have made you come to that conclusi
> Does anyone know how to contact (by email) the people that produce Ocean?
> Or can someone point out a link to them on the Ocean/Baha'i Education
> website?
>
> James
If you have Ocean installed on your computer there is a link to the author
under the "resources" button on the toolbar (and also
Susan: <>Is that what your argument is based on,
capitalization? Because as far as I know there is not any
convention whereby Baha'is are supposed to use upper case
letters to refer to the Universal House of Justice and lower
case when referring to other institutions. The only difference
betwe
> Sorry if I'm misunderstanding but are you a Remey-ite?
Are you insane??
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:05:20 -0500, Gilberto Simpson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
.
Gilberto:
> I'm not sure I would identify with the idea of an "absolute ideal up
> in the sky somewhere". From my perspective, Islam is a very pragmatic
> realistic religion. Alot of emphasis is put on the fact that
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 03:16:17 -0800 (PST), Ahang Rabbani
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > But as
> > before the infallibility in no way comes from the Guardian.
>
> Abdu'l-Baha envisioned a Universal House of Justice that would have a living
> Guardian serving on it at all times, and as its Head. In
> But as
> before the infallibility in no way comes from the Guardian.
Abdu'l-Baha envisioned a Universal House of Justice that would have a living
Guardian serving on it at all times, and as its Head. In that formulation, why
wouldn't the infallibility of the House come through the Guardian?
I
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