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David,
At 05:38 PM 2/1/2005, you wrote:
>>Are these for real or not?<<
I suppose that some could be visions of some sort, others might be
hallucinations resulting from lack of oxygen, and still others might occur due
to a combination of these influences.
In any event, all spiritual experiences
>>On the other hand I think you go far beyond anything which is
expicitly found in the Writings when you assert that Abdu'l-Baha
established a Guardianship knowing it would end with Shoghi Effendi.>>
"That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that the Master designated the House
of Justice to fun
>>If God planned our marriages, then what was He thinking when He planned over
>>900 wives for Nasiri'd-Din Shah? >>
Baha'u'llah said that if the Shah opposed Him, judgment would be rendered
against him!
Brent
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At 12:32 -0800 2/1/05, Ahang Rabbani wrote:
I think He sends moral and ethical teachings, educates us, and then leaves
us
alone to make our own decisions and map our own destiny. You and I do pretty
much the same with our kids -- we don't micro-manage their every step; we just
educate them in rig
God and the Manifestation of God, in my humble view, transcend time. God
does not fix nor predestine the future. But past, present and future are
all the same for the Deity.
Consider:
Though they be dwelling on this earth, yet their true habitations are the
retreats of glory in the realms above.
Dear Brent,
you wrote:
> Because of this implication, we should approach the
> Word with befitting humility and realize that we are
> striving to understand Universal Mind with limited
> mind.
>
> We also need to approach these questions with
> confidence. As the House advised us to do, we
>
JS, you wrote:
Though studying the text is important, the more we
speculate and come up with theories that are after all
based on our personal experiences, the more we weaken
the structure, even though it may not be damagable.
Isn't it better to create a border around our study of
the text to l
Are these for real or not? I think 'Abdu'l-Baha said that just prior to
death some people get a glimpse of the next world. This would seem to deny
near death experiences. Time magazine had an article recently claiming that
near death experiences are just the product of the mind. Can a person
>>On the other hand I think you go far beyond anything which is
expicitly found in the Writings when you assert that Abdu'l-Baha
established a Guardianship knowing it would end with Shoghi Effendi.>>
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that the Master designated the House of
Justice to func
Hi, Ahang,
At 02:07 PM 2/1/2005, you wrote:
>>This presumes that future is like scenes in a movie gradually unfolding, and
>>somehow the Prophet can see ahead.<<
Not necessarily. It can also presume that all knowledge of what *we* would call
past and future is available to the Prophet, should H
"This did not originate with Khanum; she was quoting someone else who had been
with the Master when Shoghi Effendi entered their presence and the Master asked
"how do you like my future Elisha?" Then He said that Baha'u'llah had told him
to look among his sons and grandsons."
Dear Brent,
She
Susan, you ask what provision the Master made for the House of Justice to
function without a Guardian.
In looking at the first part of the Master's Will (p. 14) we see that the
Master provided for the Guardian to be a member of, and to chair, the House of
Justice. This is what I would term the
"As for the reference in The Hidden Words regarding the Covenant entered into
on Mount Paran, this signifieth that in the sight of God the past, the present
and the future are all This is the state of manifestation: it is not sensible;
it is an intellectual reality, exempt and freed from time,
Ahang wrote:
Let's say that God has decreed for the Most Great Peace to occur in 2700.
For that to happen, everything before it must happen in a precise sequence,
so that collectively they would end up with the Most Great Peace in that
particular time. That completely removes free-will.
Are you
>>As someone who enjoys reading history, I would be a bit careful with such
>>sources as Priceless Pearl. Often in their enthusiasm, some authors read back
>>events into what actually was said or had occurred. For instance, why would
>>Baha'u'llah be telling Abdu'l-Baha to look among His *grands
No, I never said God planned or preplanned our marriages. I'm saying He
"knows" whom we will marry before we have married.
Yes, we have free will. We will make choices. We will choose either X or Y
but we will choose one of them, of our own free will. I'm saying God knows
what we will choose befor
--- Mark Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Presumably, with irrevocable or decreed matters, the Prophet
> has chosen to know the future in whole or in part.
This presumes that future is like scenes in a movie gradually unfolding, and
somehow the Prophet can see ahead.
While there is no quest
--- Iskandar Hai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Do you think that God too was as
> much in the dark about whom I would marry as I was? I'm saying that God
> knew who I would marry and God knew who her husband would be before
> either of us were born.
There is a piece of pilgrim's note related
> > But God (and
> > by extrapolation, His Manifestation) know what plans we mortals
> will
> > have and what we will decide to do and what we will make of the
> future.
>
> Iskandar jan,
>
> I guess I'm not smart enough to see that. How can God *know* what
> our plans
> are, when we don't k
IMO, Prophets can know the future, if they want to. Therefore,
I don't think that there is necessarily a conflict between
the words of a Prophecy reflecting God's Will and being a
prediction, at least to some degree, of future events.
As I see it, the issue has been addressed by both Baha'u'lla
The Master wrote:
"As for the reference in The Hidden Words regarding the Covenant entered into
on Mount Paran, this signifieth that in the sight of God the past, the present
and the future are all one and the same -- whereas, relative to man, the past
is gone and forgotten, the present is flee
>For instance, Baha'u'llah has assured us that the Most Great Peace will
come.
Now if George Bush gets up tomorrow and decides to bomb the planet to the
stone
age, then Baha'u'llah's prophecy is pretty much null and void.
I'm not sure I see that. We make all kinds of assumptions based on our
h
> But God (and
> by extrapolation, His Manifestation) know what plans we mortals will
> have and what we will decide to do and what we will make of the future.
Iskandar jan,
I guess I'm not smart enough to see that. How can God *know* what our plans
are, when we don't know and have not made t
> Do you mean the writings? Which characteristics of his revelation are
> the most impressive from your perspective?
What may be impressive to me, may not be impressive to you. If you are truly
interested in learning about Baha'u'llah, then read His Writings and arrive at
your conclusions.
Takin
>
>
> My view is that He didn't know. Nobody knows about the "future".
> Future is
> not something that is decreed from before or pre-planned by God, and
> then
> unfolds, and if one is really smart (I guess in a spiritual sense)
> then one can
> "see" the future.
>
Future is not decreed n
On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:55:44 -0800 (PST), Ahang Rabbani
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > So what is your basis for believing in Bahaullah if it isn't empirical?
>
> The awesome character of His Revelation, which is absolutely unique in the
> entire history.
Do you mean the writings? Which characteri
> So what is your basis for believing in Bahaullah if it isn't empirical?
The awesome character of His Revelation, which is absolutely unique in the
entire history.
Ahang.
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> In the Kitab-i-Ahd Baha'u'llah designates Mirza Muhammad-Ali as the Master's
> successor (Tablets of Baha'u'llah 222). Yet, Baha'u'llah told the Master to
> look among his sons and grandsons for who would succeed Him. (Priceless Pearl
> 12)
As someone who enjoys reading history, I would be a b
On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:12:40 -0800 (PST), Ahang Rabbani
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I personally don't need any empirical evidence to know that Baha'u'llah
> reflected the divine will. If everything Baha'u'llah predicted fails to
> transpire, I still believe in Him since my belief is in *Him* an
--- Brent Poirier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In the Kitab-i-Ahd Baha'u'llah designates Mirza Muhammad-Ali as the Master's
> successor (Tablets of Baha'u'llah 222). Yet, Baha'u'llah told the Master to
> look among his sons and grandsons for who would succeed Him. (Priceless Pearl
> 12) Why woul
Hi, Susan,
At 09:12 AM 2/1/2005, you wrote:
>>As one of the Counsellors explained to me, the purpose of Ruhi is not to
>>impose a particular orthodoxy. They didn't come up with a set a of beliefs
>>they wanted everyone to adhere to and then look for the quotes to match.
>>RAther they came up wi
In a message dated 2/1/2005 9:23:35 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dear Scott,The House of Justice is elected for the purpose of legislation. *All* ourour administrative institutions are expected to consult. Were this not trueof the Hands as well, Abdu'l-Baha would not have
I'd also add that common sense dictates that the line might and would
very well break at some point. `Abdu'l-Baha didn't need omniscience or
prescience to know this common sense thing. Besides, He was well aware
of what happend in Shi`ah Islam when Hasan Askari died without any male
issue. Just
" I do not think the Hands were appointed for that purpose. The House of
Justice WOULD be appointed for the purpose of consultation. The Hands were
servants of the Will of the Central Figures of the Faith."
Dear Scott,
The House of Justice is elected for the purpose of legislation. *All* our
our
"IMO, Ruhi may represent an abandonment, hopefully temporary, of that
responsibility."
Dear Mark,
As one of the Counsellors explained to me, the purpose of Ruhi is not to
impose a particular orthodoxy. They didn't come up with a set a of beliefs
they wanted everyone to adhere to and then look for
"So although the Master was the outward author, the Guardian emphasizes that
the provisions of the Master's Will entirely reflect the intentions of
Baha'u'llah, in both of His first two World Order letters, and in the
Dispensation."
Dear Brent,
I'm not arguing that the Will and Testament isn'
In a message dated 2/1/2005 8:19:46 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In a message dated 2/1/2005 12:21:19 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
"Where else would the Guardian have found to consult on the future of the Guardianship?"
The Hands of the Cause of
I wrote: >>Why would the Master and Baha'u'llah establish such a provision,
if in Their divine wisdom and foresight they knew it would never come about?">>
Susan replied: >>First off, as you know it was Abdu'l-Baha, not Baha'u'llah
who made this provision. But on what do you base you assumpt
>>Is there a scientific way to distinguish between the two, pure and applied?<<
If you mean a reasonable or systematic way to distinguish between them, I don't
think that it is difficult to distinguish between them. What I called "applied
interpretations" clearly refer either to either a specifi
In a message dated 2/1/2005 12:21:19 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
"Where
else would the Guardian have found to consult on the future of the
Guardianship?"
The Hands of the Cause of God.
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In a message dated 2/1/2005 1:38:42 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
"I reflect on these questions to aid me to understand this one:In
His Will the Master provided that the Guardian would serve as the Head of the
House of Justice; but events unfolded such that thi
No, but I think they are, at least in some instances, *applications* of the Guardian's interpretations to current events. In other words, some interpretations given by Shoghi Effendi may have been "pure" (given just for their own sakes) and others may have been "applied." > Is there a scientific
In the Kitab-i-Ahd Baha'u'llah designates Mirza Muhammad-Ali as the Master's successor (Tablets of Baha'u'llah 222). Yet, Baha'u'llah told the Master to look among his sons and grandsons for who would succeed Him. (Priceless Pearl 12) Why would Baha'u'llah write this provision in His Covenant, if
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