Re: What went Terribly Wrong? (was: Conspiracy Thoeries and Recent New Events Align alot)

2010-10-22 Thread Minhaj Khan
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 3:59 AM, Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com wrote: It is true that the Wahhabis adhere to the Hanbali school. Whether or not Ibn Hanbal should be blamed for that is another question. Most Saudis insist on being called Hanbali Muslims, not

Re: What went Terribly Wrong? (was: Conspiracy Thoeries and Recent New Events Align alot)

2010-10-22 Thread Gilberto Simpson
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv No. They agree that certain words were said which Shia INTERPRET one way, and Sunnis INTERPRET another. Why don't you share with us exactly what those words were?

Re: What went Terribly Wrong? (was: Conspiracy Thoeries and Recent New Events Align alot)

2010-10-22 Thread Naison Jones
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Hi, from Shoghi Effendi-God passes by. , first, the bigoted, the sickly, the vacillating Muhammad Sháh, page 1. The arch villains who joined hands with the prime movers of so wicked a conspiracy were the two grand vizirs, Hájí Mírzá Aqásí, the idolized tutor of

Re: What went Terribly Wrong? (was: Conspiracy Thoeries and Recent New Events Align alot)

2010-10-22 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I think the point of Baha'u'llahs words are that backbiting and slander is especially bad amongst the friends. But to paint a historical picture by pointing out someones traits (of the parties involved) is not quite the same thing. I think the distinction needs to

Re: What went Terribly Wrong? (was: Conspiracy Thoeries and Recent New Events Align alot)

2010-10-22 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Um.. because in spite of the direction the discussion has taken I actually didn't want to rehash the entire history of Sunni-Shia polemics on a Bahai list. I just think that people should be able to read the words for themselves and be able to draw their own

Re: What went Terribly Wrong? (was: Conspiracy Thoeries and Recent New Events Align alot)

2010-10-22 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I see I made a number of mistakes here: Yes, I would agree with that. I had in mind specifically the movement coming from Ibn Abdu'l-Wahhab. which has its genesis in Egypt Obviously Ibn Abdu'l-Wahhab is from Arabia not Egypt. I was thinking ahead to the Salafi

Re: What went Terribly Wrong? (was: Conspiracy Thoeries and Recent New Events Align alot)

2010-10-22 Thread Matt Haase
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I think Sunni and Shi'a narratives both have merit, but fall short in totality. For example, Shi'as are great at keeping a memory alive and of inspiring people with sacred history. But from a historical perspective, the world just doesn't work in good guys/bad guys with

Re: What went Terribly Wrong? (was: Conspiracy Thoeries and Recent New Events Align alot)

2010-10-22 Thread Gilberto Simpson
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I would also add that there is a difference in terms of authority which is part of the picture as well. If Bahaullah wants to describe someone that is one thing. If an ordinary Bahai wants to talk about their neighbor, that's something else. Or on the Islamic side, Abu

Re: What went Terribly Wrong? (was: Conspiracy Thoeries and Recent New Events Align alot)

2010-10-22 Thread Gilberto Simpson
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Matt Haase matthewhaa...@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv I think Sunni and Shi'a narratives both have merit, but fall short in totality. Are you making some distinction between the Shia view and the Bahai view? For

Re: What went Terribly Wrong? (was: Conspiracy Thoeries and Recent New Events Align alot)

2010-10-22 Thread Iskandar Hai, M.D.
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I might want to clarify that, even though the Babi and Baha'i Faiths were born in a Shi`ah culture, yet Babi-Baha'i theology in some important areas rejects and condemns certain Shi`ah positions. For instance, Baha'u'llah rejects the Shi`ah notion of considering the