I just heard the awful saddening news of a stampede in Iraq today in which
some 700 (mostly women children) Shi`ite Muslim pilgrims died in a
stampede.
I'd like for us to say prayers for the souls of the deceased, and for
their loved ones survivors, and for peace and tranquillity to prevail,
Say what?!
Are you making a sick joke or what? Shoghi Effendi is talking about the
actions of the Shi`ah **ecclesiastical order** and the wave of
secularization in Persia then.
Children are not punished for the bad deeds of their parents.
Iskandar
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005, Max Jasper wrote:
It
Dear Alex:
Brent has done quite a bit of good research about all those instances in
which Shoghi Effendi the Guardian of the Baha'i Faith talks about the
relativity of religious truth in one way or another and I'd like to ask
him to share his thoughts with us, again. Every time Shoghi Effendi
It is appalling and deplorable that religious/worship practices of any
Faith community are curtailed in any country, any society. I don't think
the size of that religious community matters much. Curtailing the
worship/religious practices on any Faith community has to be condemned.
I also
Thanks Rich for your clarifications. I agree with you; you made my
points.
Quoting Rich Ater [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Dear Gilberto, Susan, Iskandar, and everyone else.
The point I was making is that this was to my mind a
case of some Muslims persecuting my daughter because she was a
You finally got it, I'd imagine. Phew!
Quoting Gilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On 8/30/05, Iskandar Hai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks Rich for your clarifications. I agree with you; you made my
points.
Yes, with the wisdom of Solomon... a very balanced and tactful
summing
up
Huh! complicated situation! They simply harrassed and intimidated a
child. complicated. My foot.
Iskandar
Quoting Gilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On 8/28/05, Rich Ater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Over a period of time she started
telling me about the things that had gone on. Kids would
objective validity?! Give me a break, please.
Iskandar
Quoting Gilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
You are still trying to personalize the issues instead of admitting
that
they have any objective validity.
Peace
Gilberto
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Now, this *is* a persoanl attack. Now, Susan is the insensitive,
callous, intolerant bigot!
And in what ways would you suggesst we tell our stories?
Iskandar
Quoting Gilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
But what I'm trying to convey is that certain stories told in
certain ways
are
I didn't say the early Babis were Muslims. I said they had Shi`ah
*expectations*. Everyone now recognizes that the Babi Faith is an
independent religion, different from the Baha'i Faith and different from
Islam. But this is now. Back then, the early Babis had a different
self-perception and
You didn't understand Rich's point. The stealing (oh, go ahead and
amputate her hands and fingers if you want too) came after she had been
harrassed and intimidated by her classmates and neither the teachers nor
the principal did anything to stop the bullying. This kind of
intimdation is all
I have to repeat and re-repeat: the fact that the early Babis perhaps
misunderstood the nature of their religion exactly and clearly does
*NOT* change their own self-understanding 150-160 years ago. Got that?
Iskandar
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Dear Mark:
He was attacking Susan, not me. His comment to Susan was that she didn't
care about his concerns. That's ad hominem.
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You see, a bunch of school kids intimidate and harrass a 6-year old girl
because of what her religion is. Got that? Now, the right response is to
simply condemn the school faculty and principal for not stopping the
abuse. If an African American child is subjected to bullying and
intimidation
And I have to repeat and re-repeat again that you are mistaken. And your
point about the religion of the Bab abrogating the Quran is totally
irrelevant to this discussion.
Iskandar
Quoting Gilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
You don't have to repeat and re-repeat. I think we are talking
You are trying to dilute and muddy the issue to lessen the blame of your
fellow Muslims who happened to run that school. Change in demographics
or change in faculty does *NOT* absolve those *Muslim* teachers and
principal who stood by and did nothing. Got that? They are blameworthy.
Plain and
You quoted some passages from the Quran. I'm saying that there are other
passages in the Quran that aren't as nice. Such as the passges in the
ninth chapter of the Quran or the passages about Abu-Lahab. Again,
there are tons of passages in the Baha'i Sacred Writings about being
kind and
Oh, so now I'm angry and sarcastic and defensive, etc., etc. and you are
portraying yourself as understanding and empathetic or whatever.
I'm not asking you to condemn the school fcaulty of *my* elementary
school. I have been defending Islam in many forums. And I will continue
to do so.
I'm
responses and your attitude make me wonder what you say to
people when you defend Islam.
Peace
Gilberto
On 8/29/05, Iskandar Hai, M.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Who is talking about *world* problems? We are talking about what happened,
by *Muslim* faculty and principal, at a school
:
On 8/29/05, Iskandar Hai, M.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's important to make that point because you cannot portray the Quran as
the one and only Holy Book which has nice stuff in it solely.
I think we should be careful here. If the Bahai faith teaches that the
Quran is the word of God
No, you are distorting my words, and misrepresenting the message of
Baha'u'llah. Everyone on this list knows that.
Iskandar
On Mon, 29 Aug 2005, Gilberto Simpson wrote:
On 8/29/05, Iskandar Hai, M.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just keep on distorting my words. Go ahead. I know your
It seems that you are arguing and contending with facts. I'm not sure if
there is much point then in continuing the dialog. But, anyhow, you quoted
two excerpts from that geocities.com anti-Babi and anti-Baha'i website and
the excerpts pointed to specific teachings purportedly in the Arabic
Bayan,
Bear in mind that Persians use a *solar* Muslim calendar. So, there will
be no discrepancy. Right now, it's year 1384 A.H. (solar)
Warmest regards,
Iskandar
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Dear Steve:
The body of the deceased is laid to rest in a supine position, with the
soles of the feet of the deceased soul facing the qiblih. This means that,
were the deceased to stand up, s/he would face the qiblih.
Warmest regards,
Iskandar
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You don't understand. The Babis were not born into Babi families. They
were born into Shi`ah Muslim families for generations. They expected,
according to their own Shi`ah hadith traditions, that the Promised One
would cause rivers of blood to flow. The Shi`ah still have very militant
expectations.
First of all, that website is an unscholarly polemical attack on the Babi
and Baha'i religions; it's full of misrepresentations, distortions,
mistranslations, false claims and outright errors. If you read Arabic, you
can see and read the Arabic Bayan for yourself on the web. For instance,
here is
The fact is that Baha'is have not been unkind to Muslims. In fact, the
surviving Baha'i family of a Baha'i martyr even interceded with the
Russian judge to forgive the pepetrators. What else would one want?
Regarding Babis and their actions: one needs to remember who the Babis
were. They were
No one expects a non-Baha'i to believe in the infallibility of the
Baha'i Universal House of Justice. But the Universal House of Justice is
charged with certain responsibilities in the Baha'i Sacred Writings and
they are all enshrined in it constitution. There is no mention anywhere
in any
Dear Gilberto:
I understand your concerns and worries.
As far as I'm concerned, I wouldn't presume to know how/if God punishes
people but I do know that He hasn't given me any authority to punish
anyone. I'm also confident that the Universal House of Justice is charged
with promoting peace
Is there any credible evidence for the authenticity of the Gospel of
Barnabas?
My understanding is that the consensus of the scholarly community is
that it's a fake, a medieval Moorish forgery. Unreliable and
inauthentic.
http://www.bible.ca/islam/library/Gilchrist/barnabas.htm
Who is the publisher? Where is it printed?
Regards,
Iskandar
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005, Susan Maneck wrote:
Dear Mike,
That is a link to supposedly *all* the published letters from the House. But
without seeing the compuilation I'm looking for I have no idea which ones
are included or not.
There were allegations that SalmAn the Persian was teaching Him and
tutoring Him, etc., etc. The Holy Quran attests to that too.
Warmest regards,
Iskandar
Quoting Mark A. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hi, folks,
Someone posted this alleged hadith on an email list. Does anyone
know anything
I haven't been following this thread very closley but the following just
struck me. Perhaps you made a typographical error or something? I knw that
Susan and Khazeh responded to you quite cogently. As you know, the whole
theme of the BayAn, the Aqdas, and just about all of our Sacred Writings
is
I was trying to see if I could download it from the World Centre's
International Library but I couldn't find it there. Does anyone know how
to get a digital electronic copy of this document? I couldn't find it on
the bahai.org website yesterday.
http://www.bahai.org/dir/sites but the hyperlink
Quoting Iskandar Hai [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I was trying to see if I could download it from the World Centre's
International Library but I couldn't find it there. Does anyone know
how
to get a digital electronic copy of this document? I couldn't find it
on
the bahai.org website yesterday
Many thanks, Gilberto.
Happy fasting is just fine. Alternatively, you might want to wish that
someone's fasting and prayer would be acceptable in the sight of God the
Well-Beloved, the Unconstrained. After all, the very life of all goodly
deeds is God's dood pleasure, and all things depend upon
Just fyi...
http://tinyurl.com/3umhb
http://makeashorterlink.com/?X3994279A
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There are passages in `Abdu'l-Baha's Secret of Divine Civilization
from around pages 59-60 to page 71 which, I'd think, are somewhat
relevant to this discussion at least indirectly.
Also, I'd think, it's worthwhile for us Baha'is to ponder, reflect, and
think deeply about the various possible
For bibliophiles, FYI...
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End of discussion.
[Shakir 109:2] I do not serve that which you serve,
[Yusufali 109:2] I worship not that which ye worship,
[Pickthal 109:2] I worship not that which ye worship;
[Shakir 109:3] Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve:
[Yusufali 109:3] Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
[Pickthal
Quoting Gilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Fifth, in terms of closed-mindedness I don't think I'm any more
closed-minded to the Bahai faith than Bahais are to Islam. If
people
came up with better and more attractive and persuasive answers to my
questions I would certainly be willing to
On Mon, 7 Feb 2005, Gilberto Simpson wrote:
Iskandar:
The fact is that the Bab, Baha'u'llah, and `Abdu'l-Baha and all Baha'is
do accept Islam, the Prophet Muhammad PBUH, Christianity, Jesus Christ,
Judaism, Moses, etc. as valid and Divinely ordained religions and
Meesengers/Prophets
Go in peace, Gilberto, go in peace.
There is not much use in further discussion(s) with you. Go in peace.
May God be with you
Regards,
Iskandar
On Mon, 7 Feb 2005, Gilberto Simpson wrote:
On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:16:03 -0500 (EST), Iskandar Hai, M.D.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 7
I'd also add that common sense dictates that the line might and would
very well break at some point. `Abdu'l-Baha didn't need omniscience or
prescience to know this common sense thing. Besides, He was well aware
of what happend in Shi`ah Islam when Hasan Askari died without any male
issue.
My view is that He didn't know. Nobody knows about the future.
Future is
not something that is decreed from before or pre-planned by God, and
then
unfolds, and if one is really smart (I guess in a spiritual sense)
then one can
see the future.
Future is not decreed nor
we have chosen it. I'm not saying He planns
what we will choose. He jist knows.
Love,
Iskandar
On Tue, 1 Feb 2005, Ahang Rabbani wrote:
--- Iskandar Hai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do you think that God too was as
much in the dark about whom I would marry as I was? I'm saying that God
Gilberto (not dear Gilberto):
If by moral relativism you mean the kind of mentality and attitude that
anything goes and everything is OK, then Baha'is are definitely not
moral relativists. As I said, just read Shoghi Effendi's Advent of
Divine Justice for example. The relativism that we Baha'is
See below..
Quoting Gilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:31:43 -0500, Iskandar Hai
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto (not dear Gilberto):
If by moral relativism you mean the kind of mentality and attitude
that
anything goes and everything is OK, then Baha'is
I'm saying that when a 53-year old male marries a 20-30 year old female,
he has married a young woman, and when he marries a female who is
barely 18 he then has married a teenager. When a 53-year old male
marries a female who has just barely tuned 9 lunar years, it is not
accurate to say that he
On Tue, 6 Apr 2004, Christian E. Gruber wrote:
Something can be both sacred mythology and factually true. Myth may
-
Reminds me of this: All the stories in the Bible are true and some of
them actually happened
Loving regards,
Iskandar
On Sun, 4 Apr 2004, David Friedman wrote:
about their tablets? It's a pity the Bab didn't address them by name!
David
Security reasons, dear David, security reasons. Babis could very easily be
killed when/if identified by name. Also, perhaps the Bab addressed more
than one
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