Re: Fabricated Hadith

2010-06-29 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv > I do see Hadith quoted in Baha'i articles every now and then like > #17 Seek knowledge even as far as China. Sure. We just don't make assumptions regarding the authenticity of hadiths. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i St

Re: Fabricated Hadith

2010-06-29 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I do see Hadith quoted in Baha'i articles every now and then like #17 Seek knowledge even as far as China. From: Stephen Gray To: Baha'i Studies Sent: Mon, June 28, 2010 12:24:15 PM Subject: Re: Fabricated Hadi

Re: Fabricated Hadith

2010-06-28 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv > So how do Sunnis view the Abbasids? They overthrew the Ummayads, but the > first Abbasid was known as the Slaughterer? > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As-Saffah He is called the blood-letter because he after overthrowing the Umayyads he invited them to a banquet where

Re: Fabricated Hadith

2010-06-28 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Subject: Re: Fabricated Hadith The Baha'i Studies Listserv > If that's the case, why do Sunnis sometimes call Umar II (an Ummayad Caliph) > to be the fifth Caliph? Umar II was probably the only Umayyad Caliph who was truly pious even to the

Re: Fabricated Hadith

2010-06-28 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv > If that's the case, why do Sunnis sometimes call Umar II (an Ummayad Caliph) > to be the fifth Caliph? Umar II was probably the only Umayyad Caliph who was truly pious even to the point of being a bit fanatical. __ You

Re: Fabricated Hadith

2010-06-28 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv The Baha'i Studies Listserv > I only skimmed through some of them. Now, that I looked closer I do see the > author is Sunni in his praise of Abu Bakr and Umar. Also, he ommitted Uthman > from his praise despite him also being a Caliph. He's Sunni, but he doesn't > feel

Re: Fabricated Hadith

2010-06-28 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv > I only skimmed through some of them. Now, that I looked closer I do see the > author is Sunni in his praise of Abu Bakr and Umar. Also, he ommitted Uthman > from his praise despite him also being a Caliph. He's Sunni, but he doesn't > feel comfortable for some reason w

Re: Fabricated Hadith

2010-06-28 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv The Baha'i Studies Listserv > Some hadith Baha'u'llah wrote commentaries on like "He who knows his self > knows his lord". > It's listed as #93 in the 100 fabricated hadith. Also, several fabricated > haidith while no

Re: Fabricated Hadith

2010-06-28 Thread Loïc ROYER
's believe and try to make our best to make the world better. And that's all folks! (music! :-) Loïc Susan Maneck a écrit : > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > >> Some hadith Baha'u'llah wrote commentaries on like "He who knows his self >> knows his

Re: Fabricated Hadith

2010-06-28 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv > Some hadith Baha'u'llah wrote commentaries on like "He who knows his self > knows his lord". > It's listed as #93 in the 100 fabricated hadith. Also, several fabricated > haidith while not being authentic, > are said to hav

Re: Fabricated Hadith

2010-06-28 Thread Stephen Gray
Some hadith Baha'u'llah wrote commentaries on like "He who knows his self knows his lord". It's listed as #93 in the 100 fabricated hadith. Also, several fabricated haidith while not being authentic, are said to have authentic meanings. __

Re: Fabricated Hadith

2010-06-28 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv > Sometimes dishonest people were listed in a chain of narrators and it > invalidated the hadith. That's the usual means for determining a hadith is false. Muslims believe that a hadith is only as strong as its weakest link in the isnad or chain of transmission. > > Als

Re: Fabricated Hadith

2010-06-28 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://www.missionislam.com/knowledge/books/100FabricatedHadith.pdf   He lists each Hadith, who categorized it a fabricated, and why it was categorized as such. Sometimes dishonest people were listed in a chain of narrators and it invalidated the hadith. Also, any of t

Re: Fabricated Hadith

2010-06-28 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv > I know there are lot of Hadith that people quote. There are Hadith of > varying authenticites. I What I'm suggesting is that the standard method by which Muslims decide which hadiths are strong and which are weak may no longer be the best method for determining authen

Fabricated Hadith

2010-06-28 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I know there are lot of Hadith that people quote. There are Hadith of varying authenticites. I found a link that list 100 fabricated Hadith. http://www.missionislam.com/knowledge/books/100FabricatedHadit