Re: Polishing the Mirror (the Soul)

2010-04-19 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv YAH BAHA'UL ABHA!! On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 8:24 AM , Khazeh wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv I have received on this laptop so far 21 e-mails on the subject of enrolled or unenrolled or disenrolled. How is this helpful to any one? What one should say is that

Re: Polishing the Mirror (the Soul)

2010-04-19 Thread Jeanine H .
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Dear Stephen, Just my opinion: I think this would be a great topic for the Baha'i Community website, also. It might be more fitting were I to answer these in private to you. However, in case it is the source for any confirmations or meditations on the part of the

Re: Polishing the Mirror (the Soul)

2010-04-19 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv The topic got derailed by the fact that this topic was based on info from Allison's website. PS. The problem between Allison Marshall and the Universal House of Justice in Haifa, Israel is a technicality dispute over the nature of infallibiity. I Dear Steve, It is

Re: Polishing the Mirror (the Soul)

2010-04-19 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv The Baha'i Studies Listserv The topic got derailed by the fact that this topic was based on info from Allison's website. PS. The problem between Allison Marshall and the Universal House of Justice in Haifa, Israel is a technicality dispute over the nature of

Re: Polishing the Mirror (the Soul)

2010-04-19 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Technically, on her webiste she says that she recognizes no authority but the Manifestation (Baha'u'llah) intrinsically and all others as reflections of that. And in practice what that means is one accepts only ones own understanding of that Manifestation.

Re: Polishing the Mirror (the Soul)

2010-04-18 Thread Sen Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 18 Apr 2010 at 2:53, Iskandar Hai, M.D. wrote: I think he did. I can't recall whether it was posted here in its entirety or not. What I posted was most of it. I think it might be a bit rude to make the letter public in its entirety while the UHJ is still

RE: Polishing the Mirror (the Soul)

2010-04-18 Thread stch
The Baha'i Studies Listserv YAH BAHA'UL ABHA!! On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 8:24 AM , Khazeh wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv I have received on this laptop so far 21 e-mails on the subject of enrolled or unenrolled or disenrolled. How is this helpful to any one? What one should say is that

Polishing the Mirror (the Soul)

2010-04-17 Thread Sen Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 16 Apr 2010 at 19:28, David Regal wrote: Have they responded yet?  I wasn't sure if you were indicating they had responded already or will in future.   No, they haven't responded. It's early days yet. The previous time I applied to be re-enrolled (without

Re: Polishing the Mirror (the Soul)

2010-04-17 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Are you responding to a private message, David? On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 9:28 PM, David Regal david.re...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Dear Sen, Good you wrote that letter to the House, and I'll be interested to see the response.  Have they

RE: Polishing the Mirror (the Soul)

2010-04-17 Thread Khazeh
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I have received on this laptop so far 21 e-mails on the subject of enrolled or unenrolled or disenrolled. How is this helpful to any one? What one should say is that Sen MacGlinn and Alison Marshall are very very learned about the Bahai Faith and its studies and its

Re: Polishing the Mirror (the Soul)

2010-04-17 Thread Ahang Rabbani
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I'm so glad that Khazeh introduced some sanity to this unwelcomed discussion. Alison has one of the best sites and I read it when I have time. Sen's blog is outstanding and I often benefit from it and when I have time or find something useful pass it on to him. I

Re: Polishing the Mirror (the Soul)

2010-04-17 Thread David Regal
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Dear Susan,   Are you responding to a private message, David?   Oh, I see it could have been misleading.  I was responding to Sen's post including his letter to the House, though I didn't quote from it.   Regards, David

Re: Polishing the Mirror (the Soul)

2010-04-17 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I don't think Sen's letter was posted here. On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 9:18 PM, David Regal david.re...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Dear Susan, Are you responding to a private message, David? Oh, I see it could have been misleading. I was

Re: Polishing the Mirror (the Soul)

2010-04-17 Thread Iskandar Hai, M.D.
To: Baha'i Studiesbahai-st@list.jccc.edu Subject: Re: Polishing the Mirror (the Soul) The Baha'i Studies Listserv I don't think Sen's letter was posted here. On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 9:18 PM, David Regal david.re...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Dear Susan, Are you responding

Re: Polishing the Mirror (the Soul)

2010-04-17 Thread David Regal
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I don't think Sen's letter was posted here.   It was about a day ago.  You can see it in the archives.  I'd reproduce it but I know some people pay by the byte.   Regards, David __ You are subscribed to Baha'i

Re: Polishing the Mirror (the Soul)

2010-04-16 Thread David Regal
The Baha'i Studies Listserv 4. Alison is a Bahai, but Susan doesn't approve.   Didn't she disagree with some UHJ decisions, though?  It makes no sense to claim to be Baha'i if you don't support the UHJ, plus it means you don't meet the qualifications of membership decided by Shoghi Effendi. 

Polishing the Mirror (the Soul)

2010-04-16 Thread Sen Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 16 Apr 2010 at 1:42, David Regal wrote: Didn't she disagree with some UHJ decisions, though?  that's the rumour, but the UHJ has never said so, and I've seen no evidence for it. It's easy to launch a rumour. no sense to claim to be Baha'i if you don't support

Re: Polishing the Mirror (the Soul)

2010-04-16 Thread Skygram
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Sen! As a noted academic, did you ever study logic with Professor Backwards? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor_Backwards I get the sense that you used a similar dialectical approach to explaining and attempting to justify why you published an inordinate number

Re: Polishing the Mirror (the Soul)

2010-04-16 Thread Tim Nolan
The Baha'i Studies Listserv not enrolled, but then neither are the Bahais in China or Iran. That's because in Iran it is dangerous if your name is found on a Baha'i membership list.  In China, according to what I've read, believers are not enrolled because of some policies of the Chinese

Re: Polishing the Mirror (the Soul)

2010-04-16 Thread David Regal
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Didn't she disagree with some UHJ decisions, though?  that's the rumour, but the UHJ has never said so, and I've seen no evidence for it. It's easy to launch a rumour.   I'm fairly sure a while ago I saw a copy of a critical letter to them, probably on her website. 

Re: Polishing the Mirror (the Soul)

2010-04-16 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv The UHJ determines the membership, and sometimes says that certain people who apply for membership cannot be enrolled, but it does not say that they are not Bahais. That's where you are wrong. In explaining their decision to remove Alison Marshall from the

Polishing the Mirror (the Soul)

2010-04-16 Thread Sen Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 16 Apr 2010 at 7:36, David Regal wrote: family members tonight on the subject, as we used to live in NZ.  One said it was common knowledge among NZ Baha'is that she wrote to the UHJ arguing that Shoghi Effendi could not have been the successor of 'Abdu'l-Baha. 

Re: Polishing the Mirror (the Soul)

2010-04-16 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I'm fairly sure a while ago I saw a copy of a critical letter to them, probably on her website. Not totally sure.  I did speak to a couple family members tonight on the subject, as we used to live in NZ.  One said it was common knowledge among NZ Baha'is that she

Re: Polishing the Mirror (the Soul)

2010-04-16 Thread Tim Nolan
Message From: Sen Sonja sen.so...@casema.nl To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Fri, April 16, 2010 6:14:52 AM Subject: Polishing the Mirror (the Soul) The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 16 Apr 2010 at 1:42, David Regal wrote: Didn't she disagree with some UHJ decisions, though

Re: Polishing the Mirror (the Soul)

2010-04-16 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Please do not discuss the situation in China on this list. I should have caught this earlier. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to

Re: Polishing the Mirror (the Soul)

2010-04-16 Thread Dean Betts
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I think I have read somewhere in the Writings that even a Covenant breaker can be reinstated if they truly repent (my word, not theirs). ...especially if disenrollment is intended to be a life-time situation, meaning that disenrolled Bahais will be a permanent part

Re: Polishing the Mirror (the Soul)

2010-04-16 Thread David Regal
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Dear Sen,   Good you wrote that letter to the House, and I'll be interested to see the response.  Have they responded yet?  I wasn't sure if you were indicating they had responded already or will in future.   Regards, David

Polishing the Mirror (the Soul)

2010-04-15 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I recently found some translations of more of Baha'u'llah's writings. The website:  http://whoisbahaullah.com/ The writings summary page: http://whoisbahaullah.com/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=67Itemid=50 Introductions index:

Re: Polishing the Mirror (the Soul)

2010-04-15 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv This website was constructed by an ex-Baha'i named Alison Marshall. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-499354-274...@list.jccc.edu

Re: Polishing the Mirror (the Soul)

2010-04-15 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv The Baha'i Studies Listserv ---This website was constructed by an ex-Baha'i named Alison Marshall. The reply is chronologically vague. 1An ex-Bahai sets up a website. 2A Bahai sets up a website, then becomes an ex. 3A non-Bahai sets up a website, becomes one, becomes

Re: Polishing the Mirror (the Soul)

2010-04-15 Thread Sen Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 15 Apr 2010 at 7:46, Stephen Gray wrote: The reply is chronologically vague. 1An ex-Bahai sets up a website. 2A Bahai sets up a website, then becomes an ex. 3A non-Bahai sets up a website, becomes one, becomes an ex. or 4. Alison is a Bahai, but Susan doesn't

Re: Polishing the Mirror (the Soul)

2010-04-15 Thread Jeanine H .
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Whoa. Maybe Sen would like to reveal that he has a dog in this fight. Jeanine On 4/15/2010 2:49 PM, Sen Sonja wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 15 Apr 2010 at 7:46, Stephen Gray wrote: The reply is chronologically vague. 1An ex-Bahai sets up a website. 2A

Re: Polishing the Mirror (the Soul)

2010-04-15 Thread Skygram
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Friends, It isn't a question of approval or disapproval. Alison Marshall has been removed from the membership lists of the Bahai Faith. I don't mean any disrespect to Alison when I say this, but you may call a donkey a horse, but that still doesn't make it a horse. I

Re: Polishing the Mirror (the Soul)

2010-04-15 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv 4. Alison is a Bahai, but Susan doesn't approve. It is not a matter of my approving. As in your case, it is the Universal House of Justice which determined she was not a Baha'i. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies