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2005-05-31 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Dear Jim, Being a bit confused about your own position with regard to this statement: "What I am suggesting is that we each have a responsibility to promote the best interests of the peoples and kindreds of the earth, to the best of our knowledge, understanding, and capacity, even if it means pr

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2005-05-30 Thread Vaughn Sheline
In separate postings between May 25 and May 28, Jim Habegger wrote items A through D below, except text in square brackets are my insertions to clarify what I think was his meaning: A.) ... when I said to "imagine someone who disagrees with the reasoning of the Universal House of Justice about ex

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2005-05-29 Thread Jim Habegger
"What about the Universal House of Justice? Do you believe they are also always right? Yes, they are not omniscient, but do you believe their decisions always 'the truth and the purpose of God Himself'?" "That which this body, whether unanimously or by a majority doth carry, that is verily the tr

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2005-05-29 Thread Michael Alcorn
Sent: 29 May 2005 12:51 To: Baha'i Studies Subject: RE: puzzled by "Jim" Susan, I'm sorry I trouble you so much. This climber says with some dismay, "I must leave this mountain for another day." __ You are subscribed to Ba

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2005-05-29 Thread Jim Habegger
Susan, I'm sorry I trouble you so much. This climber says with some dismay, "I must leave this mountain for another day." __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PRO

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2005-05-28 Thread Susan Maneck
Dear Jim, As one of the moderators of this list I would like to ask you to stop posting quotations here without comment. This behavior is not in keeping with the list purpose which is Baha'i scholarship. warmest, Susan __ You are subscribed t

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2005-05-28 Thread Tim Nolan
Jim,   >Here are my axioms:>- Baha'u'llah is always right. What about the Universal House of Justice?  Do you believe they are also always right?   Yes, they are not omniscient, but do you believe  their decisions always "the truth and the purpose of God Himself"?   Tim Nolan___

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2005-05-28 Thread Susan Maneck
And your point is? __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http:/

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2005-05-28 Thread Jim Habegger
"The pen steppeth not into this region, the ink leaveth only a blot. In these planes, the nightingale of the heart hath other songs and secrets, which make the heart to stir and the soul to clamor, but this mystery of inner meaning may be whispered only from heart to heart, confided only from br

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2005-05-28 Thread Jim Habegger
"The denizens of this plane speak no words -- but they gallop their chargers. They see but the inner reality of the Beloved. To them all words of sense are meaningless, and senseless words are full of meaning. They cannot tell one limb from another, one part from another. To them the mirage is t

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2005-05-28 Thread Susan Maneck
Has anyone here ever read the Seven Valleys and the Four Valleys? Dear Jim, Why are you asking a question like that? warmest, Susan __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to

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2005-05-28 Thread Susan Maneck
". . . yet, alas, there is no ear to hear, nor heart to understand." (Baha'u'llah, The Persian Hidden Words) Why are you putting up that phrase? __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: se

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2005-05-28 Thread Dean Betts
>What I am suggesting is that we each have a responsibility to promote the best interests of the peoples and >kindreds of the earth, to the best of our knowledge, understanding, and capacity, even if it means promoting >ideas that seem to us to contradict what the Universal House of Justice has s

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2005-05-28 Thread Jim Habegger
Iskandar, you are very welcome to jump in! "As you know, the whole theme of the Bayan, the Aqdas, and just about all of our Sacred Writings is that acquiring or attaining the good pleasure of God is the only thing that counts. Right?" Absolutely. Jim ___

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2005-05-28 Thread Jim Habegger
". . . yet, alas, there is no ear to hear, nor heart to understand." (Baha'u'llah, The Persian Hidden Words) __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTE

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2005-05-28 Thread Jim Habegger
Has anyone here ever read the Seven Valleys and the Four Valleys? Jim __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the me

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2005-05-28 Thread Iskandar Hai, M.D.
I haven't been following this thread very closley but the following just struck me. Perhaps you made a typographical error or something? I knw that Susan and Khazeh responded to you quite cogently. As you know, the whole theme of the BayAn, the Aqdas, and just about all of our Sacred Writings is th

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2005-05-28 Thread Khazeh Fananapazir
do you see any reason in the Constitution of the Universal House of Justice, to disagree with my view that it pleases God for each of us to promote the best interests of the peoples and kindreds of the earth, to the best of our knowledge, understanding, and capacity, even if it means promoting idea

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2005-05-28 Thread Susan Maneck
"To put that in context, I could say with equal confidence that it pleases God for each of us to promote the best interests of the peoples and kindreds of the earth, to the best of our knowledge, understanding, and capacity, even if it means promoting ideas that seem to us to contradict what Go

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2005-05-28 Thread Susan Maneck
"What I am suggesting is that we each have a responsibility to promote the best interests of the peoples and kindreds of the earth, to the best of our knowledge, understanding, and capacity, even if it means promoting ideas that seem to us to contradict what the Universal House of Justice has sa

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2005-05-28 Thread Jim Habegger
Khazeh, do you see any reason in the Constitution of the Universal House of Justice, to disagree with my view that it pleases God for each of us to promote the best interests of the peoples and kindreds of the earth, to the best of our knowledge, understanding, and capacity, even if it means pro

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2005-05-28 Thread Khazeh Fananapazir
Dear brother Khazeh, greetings! Here are my axioms: - Baha'u'llah is always right. What I am suggesting is that we each have a responsibility to promote the best interests of the peoples and kindreds of the earth, to the best of our knowledge, understanding, and capacity, even if it means promot

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2005-05-28 Thread Jim Habegger
Sorry! I'm posting on the Web, and I keep forgetting that this is a mailing list. I'm suggesting that it pleases God for each of us to promote the best interests of the peoples and kindreds of the earth, to the best of our knowledge, understanding, and capacity, even if it means promoting ideas

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2005-05-28 Thread Jim Habegger
Again, I am not trying to demonstrate that, or to provide evidence for it. I'm only saying what I think, and asking for any reasons anyone sees, to disagree with me. Jim __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Un

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2005-05-28 Thread Jim Habegger
To put that in context, I could say with equal confidence that it pleases God for each of us to promote the best interests of the peoples and kindreds of the earth, to the best of our knowledge, understanding, and capacity, even if it means promoting ideas that seem to us to contradict what God

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2005-05-28 Thread Jim Habegger
Dear brother Khazeh, greetings! Here are my axioms: - Baha'u'llah is always right. What I am suggesting is that we each have a responsibility to promote the best interests of the peoples and kindreds of the earth, to the best of our knowledge, understanding, and capacity, even if it means prom