>I thought it would be interesting to know some arguments in favor/against this
>capital punishment in general.
Dear Hasan,
Here is a link on this subject which you may find of some interest:
http://bahai-library.com/published.uhj/capital.punishment.html
Regards, Larry
The information contai
Putting off instead of Putting of Hasan Elias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió:These days there is some controversy in my country because of a proposal of the (recent elected) President in favor of death penalty of criminals in cases of violation of children followed by murder. Putting of all
Susan,
At 10:09 PM 3/26/2004, you wrote:
>>Well, if you define it that way then naturally it will be the capitalist pigs that
>>meet that criteria. ;-} But I wonder how useful that very partisan definition really
>>is?<<
They are emancipatory, as are most Marxist definitions, but I would not c
In a message dated 3/26/2004 11:28:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The US Dept of Defense defines, or used to define, terrorism as the
calculated use of violence or the threat of violence to inculcate
fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in
t
"I define the terrorisms, broadly. as spectrums of oppressive violence,
physical or otherwise, by political economic power elites against persons or
their properties;"
Dear Mark,
Well, if you define it that way then naturally it will be the capitalist
pigs that meet that criteria. ;-} But I wonde
On 3/26/04 9:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> It seems to me that we can define terrorism in an impartial way
> which identifies the act, not chooses sides between the actors. And a
> reasonable way of doing that is say that the deliberate targetting of
> civilians constitutes terrorism.
The U
Susan,
At 08:02 PM 3/26/2004, you wrote:
>>While the media may be identifying terrorists on others on the basis of whoever they
>>think is the bad guy I don't think we need to use that criteria.<<
Your definitions are used by some. However, what I refer to as state terrorism would
be called "w
y, March 26, 2004 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: Death penalty
> Richard,
>
> At 08:48 PM 3/26/2004, you wrote:
> >>I am wondering how I will view these issues you have raised once I
finish Chalmers Johnson's new book "The Sorrows of Empire". If either of
you have read it,
Richard,
At 08:48 PM 3/26/2004, you wrote:
>>I am wondering how I will view these issues you have raised once I finish Chalmers
>>Johnson's new book "The Sorrows of Empire". If either of you have read it, I would
>>appreciate a view point.<<
Sounds impressive. Ask me in a month. I just ordered
"However, one man's terrorism is another man's freedom fighting. Who's the
real terrorist: Sharon and his gang in Israel who murder political leaders
and women/children using gunship helicopters, or suicide bombers of Hamas?
You throw them all in a bag and would be hard to pick them apart. Now,
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> Ahang,
>
> At 07:25 PM 3/26/2004, you wrote:
> >>Sharon and his gang in Israel who murder political leaders and
women/children
Ahang,
At 07:08 PM 3/26/2004, you wrote:
>>If the 20th century has proven one thing, it is that the free markets and capitalist
>>system are the most efficient and most conducive to societal progress. It's the
>>only system that works. Competition is good.<<
One of the more dedicated capital
Ahang,
At 07:25 PM 3/26/2004, you wrote:
>>Sharon and his gang in Israel who murder political leaders and women/children using
>>gunship helicopters, or suicide bombers of Hamas?<<
I should probably keep my mouth shut, but I think it is two sides of one coin -
Israel, the terrorist state, and H
Hi, Susan,
At 07:01 PM 3/26/2004, you wrote:
>>It strikes me from reading the Aqdas that most of the offenses which carry the death
>>penalty are those that would oridinarily be associated with terrorism.<<
In my paper, "An Anti-terrorist Manifesto," I propose that the real terrorisms are
stat
I
,
Even if there were terrorist activities, a la, the
Isma`ili "assassins", was it such a big deal that He had to legislate on it in the Aqdas?
Dear Ahang,
How big a problem was arson that it deserved a separate category? Yet for some reason Baha'u'llah singled it out for special treatmen
Dear Susan,
> It strikes me from reading the Aqdas
that most of the offenses which carry
> the death penalty are those that would oridinarily be associated with
terrorism.
Was terrorism really an issue during early
1870s when Baha'u'llah wrote the Aqdas? Was that concept even available
to Him?
Dear Mark,
> If there is capital punishment, it
should be
> primarily applied to political, civil,
and capitalist oppressors.
If the 20th century has proven one thing,
it is that the free markets and capitalist system are the most efficient
and most conducive to societal progress. It's the onl
In a message dated 3/26/2004 7:59:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That is *really* my viewpoint. If there is capital punishment, it should be primarily applied to political, civil, and capitalist oppressors. In other words, it should be used as an instrument of social emanci
Hi, Christian,
At 06:18 PM 3/26/2004, you wrote:
>>Ouch. :)<<
That is *really* my viewpoint. If there is capital punishment, it should be primarily
applied to political, civil, and capitalist oppressors. In other words, it should be
used as an instrument of social emancipation.
Mark A. Foster
Mark A. Foster wrote:
Personally, there are certain public officials I wouldn't mind
seeing suffer this punishment right now, and in a very public
way, but I will resist being specific.
Ouch. :)
warmest regards,
Christian.
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On the death penalty, it seems to me that we can't infer from the
fact that Baha'i laws makes room for the death penalty to the
conclusion that we should not object to any current state giving
itself the right to kill its citizens.
Jerome quoted from the US NSA:
Baha'u'llah provides for capit
152. As to the question regarding the soul of a murderer, and what his
punishment would be, the answer given was that the murderer must expiate his
crime: that is, if they put the murderer to death, his death is his
atonement for his crime, and following the death, God in His justice will
imp
86. Should anyone intentionally destroy a house by
fire, him also shall ye burn; should anyone deliberately
take another's life, him also shall ye put to death. # 62
The law of Baha'u'llah prescribes the death penalty for murder and
arson, with the alternative of life im
David,
Here's a link which expresses the views of the Baha'i International Community on the
subject of the death penalty:
http://bahai-library.com/published.uhj/capital.punishment.html
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David,
At 08:32 PM 3/25/2004, you wrote:
>>Baha'is support the death penalty, and I think it was Shoghi Effendi who said that
>>it is still okay even innocently people occasionally get killed.<<
Here is the way it reads:
"In the Aqdas Baha'u'llah has given death as the penalty for murder. Ho
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