On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 14:12, Asif Jamadar asif.jama...@rezayat.net wrote:
Can anybody explain me how these django signals works with example?
Yes, Alon Swartz can, over here -
http://www.turnkeylinux.org/blog/django-signals
Found via this wonderful site -
a line at j...@claylabs.com
If you know someone who would be interested in this, please pass this mail
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into a deep depression that someone
made fun of it, then I'd probably be disheartened (since that wasn't
my intention) but that wouldn't stop me from doing it.
We really should have fewer holy cows that are too sacred to be made
fun of. Especially fat, methane producing ones like Y! and T!
Olé!
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On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 18:25, Navin Kabra navin.ka...@gmail.com wrote:
With Python 2.6.5 (on ubuntu) I get even more bizarre behavior:
foo=(1,[2,3,4])
foo[1]+=6
Traceback (most recent call last):
File stdin, line 1, in module
TypeError: 'int' object is not iterable
foo
(1, [8, 9, 10])
On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 18:44, Hussain Bohra hussainbohra...@yahoo.com wrote:
Atleast on changing list, you gets an exception.
On updating dictionary living inside tuple wont throw an exception as well.
I thought the surprising part was that it threw an exception, not that
it updated the list.
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 09:37, Navin Kabra navin.ka...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Gora Mohanty g...@mimirtech.com wrote:
Most any IDE that one is using, and that handles Python
should work. Personally, I use emacs with various modes
for Django development.
Can you
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 15:16, Vishal vsapr...@gmail.com wrote:
But the bottleneck is the stellar string python
functionality that Python provides, and is not available in the string.h
from C library.
What sort of functionality?
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On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 08:04, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote:
On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 01:16 +0530, Sudheer Satyanarayana wrote:
I am with you. Naufal missed it. The message is indeed blank.
s/Noufal/Naufal/ - I am able to see the message
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 10:44, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote:
On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 09:23 +0530, Roshan Mathews wrote:
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/2011-February/005826.html
What message do you see?
that someone somewhere is conducting a weekend training program
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 06:30, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote:
On Wed, 2011-01-12 at 21:35 +0530, s|s wrote:
This interesting job comes with industry competitive compensation.
how much? I wonder why in India people never mention salary range.
I vaguely remembered this line, but
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 22:04, Narendra Sisodiya
naren...@narendrasisodiya.com wrote:
Can somebody give an easy way to convert a image into black and white using
a given threshold..
Currently I am doing like this
image=ImageOps.grayscale(image)
for i in range(0,width):
for j in
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 16:19, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote:
After all the hue and cry dies down, it
makes good sense to go back to the code and slowly remove all the
repetitive parts, make the hacks look good and redo the monkey patching
- if you have time.
Since this is a thread
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 17:36, Santosh Rajan santra...@gmail.com wrote:
I have not seen refactoring as described by the book
used by any of the open source software products. I would like to know
if any one can show me refactoring used in software product
development.
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:35, Anand Balachandran Pillai
abpil...@gmail.com wrote:
However refactoring as discussed
here is a more of a standardized process using tools and approaches
designed for it, with some little buzz added to the mix.
Refactoring might have devolved into that now, but
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 15:11, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote:
r'(^0\d{2}[-\s]{1}[1-6]{1}\d{7})|(^0\d{3}[-\s]{1}[1-6]{1}\d{6})|(^0
\d{4}[-\s]{1}[1-6]{1}\d{5})'
any clues on how to make it shorter?
The {1}s are redundant.
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On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 07:56, steve st...@lonetwin.net wrote:
I had a bit of time this morning and didn't feel like starting work just
yet, so to amuse myself I completed this. Here is the proper regex ...with
tests !
http://pastebin.com/yjP5H0i2
Neat.
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On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 18:08, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote:
As part of this, I'm organising my first training in
Bangalore. It's on extending Python using C. I have a blog post
detailing the course and with links to register at
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 08:08, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote:
On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 19:18 +0530, Roshan Mathews wrote:
This sounds fantastic. I wish was in Bangalore (or able to travel to
Bangalore) to attend. Do post slides, or any other material you
present later on.
did you
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 09:54, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote:
I considered making it a free thing but dropped the idea. Preparing
something complete with notes and stuff takes up a considerable amount
of time (as I've found out) and I simply cannot just do it in my free
time.
I've
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:04, Venkatraman S venka...@gmail.com wrote:
Slides from Alex's talk at Baypiggies.
http://www.aleax.it/bayp010_ppp.pdf -- Yesterday's talk
http://www.aleax.it/oscon010_pydp.pdf
Missed this on BayPiggies. Thanks for re-posting it here.
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On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 17:52, Arulalan T arulal...@gmail.com wrote:
This gives the what I need.
But I can not use this Decimal data type.
In CDAT vcs module supports only the 'float data' type to represent the
latitude logitude in map.
so I need float value in 2 precision without changing
I came across this in a blog post just now.
See http://docs.python.org/library/functions.html#type
class Foo(object): pass
...
Bar = type('Bar', (object,), dict())
f = Foo(); b = Bar()
type(f), type(b)
(class '__main__.Foo', class '__main__.Bar')
Also see
n Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 14:59, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote:
On Friday 25 June 2010 12:37:25 Saju Pillai wrote:
I am allergic to any design tool more complex than pen paper
well, we seemed have almost
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 08:22, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote:
what tools do people use when designing software? I tried dia once or twice
but found it rather cumbersome
UI? http://www.balsamiq.com/products/mockups is popular. I prefer
paper/whiteboard. Nothing beats having a
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 09:03, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote:
UI? http://www.balsamiq.com/products/mockups is popular. I prefer
paper/whiteboard. Nothing beats having a designer do it for you.
what do you mean by 'having a designer do it for you'?
There are people who do UI
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 11:17, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote:
for one particular very complicated program, I modelled the whole workflow in
dia - and found that the code worked perfectly on the first try. But I found
dia a bit cumbersome, so I am looking for an alternative. I tried
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 21:42, Rahul R rahul8...@gmail.com wrote:
I apologise for not being articulate since , i did know the right jargon to
express it.
Can you please say what you meant by handling shell scripts inside c files?
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On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 10:31, murugadoss murugadoss2...@gmail.com wrote:
I need to pack and send a binary file over socket. The binary file is
already existing.
Define a protocol, using http://code.google.com/p/protobuf/
That's one way.
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. I usually prefer text
(there's this input, which will respond so to valid input, and so to
invalid input) and boxes and arrows on paper/whiteboard.
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On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 05:56, murugadoss murugadoss2...@gmail.com wrote:
zipfile.extractall(home/murugadoss/testfile.zip)
Traceback (most recent call last):
File stdin, line 1, in module
AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'extractall'
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 07:53, jaya kumar jayakumargen...@gmail.com wrote:
these and all i need to web development purpose can any one please answer ?
Check out http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/intro/tutorial01/
Do mail the list f you have trouble starting off with that.
and also please
://docs.python.org/tutorial/
If you run into trouble, ask here.
If you don't, work through: http://diveintopython.org/
Coaching centers are hit and miss affairs, you might find a good one,
but most likely you won't.
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On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 23:33, Anand Chitipothu anandol...@gmail.com wrote:
However, python3.0 added a new nonlocal construct to enable that.
With python 3, you should be able to say:
So there are globals, locals, and nonlocals.
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On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 17:53, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy
srinivas_thatipar...@akebonosoft.com wrote:
a b c is equivalent to a b and b c *except that* b is
evaluated only once.
correction
Did u mean to say that evaluating b only once applies to abc
expression only,NOT for
this recently: http://nathanmarz.com/blog/john-mccarthy/
Might be relevant to the don't be a language lawyer advice. :)
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On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
abpil...@gmail.com wrote:
# Now, count and trans are not strings in
# data, so Python will complain, hence we
# define these as strings with same name!
count, trans = 'count','trans'
Clever, that. I got to there, threw up
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote:
psyco is 32 bit only and development has pretty much ceased since all the
chaps working on it went to PyPy.
Also, for some perverse bits of code, it plainly skips compilation.
Oh. :(
Didn't know that.
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, while tuples are hetereogeneous data
structures.
Tauber's point about tuples being structures named by index, seemed
correct in light of namedtuple in collections (since Python 2.6)
Also, as Noufal mentioned, tuples are hashable, so you can use them as
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for that reason), I
couldn't remember why.
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On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:39 AM, srinivas_ 1220 srinivas_1...@yahoo.com wrote:
How does one unsubscribe from this mail list? As i dont wish to receive any
updates from this group.
The mail headers point you to:
List-Id: Bangalore Python Users Group - India bangpypers.python.org
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 4:34 PM, murugadoss murugadoss2...@gmail.com wrote:
But since the thread is waiting for input ( in a while loop ), the control
is not coming to next line of the script. (ie: to input arguments line).
Sample Script:
os.system(my program)
child.sendline(input arguments)
Did the Godfather quote scare you off? :)
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Roshan Mathews rmath...@gmail.com wrote:
I [shall carefully reply to] you because I had
[searched my mail and found] that you were a serious
man, to be treated with respect. But I must say no to
you and let me give you
for
systems programming.
There are already two mails about Go on this list.
[1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwoWei-GAPo
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with a language being compiled and its security!
Pretty shoddy marketing this...
The Go people said this? Where are you quoting from?
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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Darkseid lorddae...@gmail.com wrote:
I do hope you snidely pointed out to him that half of Google runs on Python?
:D
Which half? :)
http://groups.google.com/group/unladen-swallow/browse_thread/thread/4edbc406f544643e
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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
abpil...@gmail.com wrote:
The point is that so called compiled languages provide more security
loop-holes than interpreted ones. C++/C for example provide liberal
scope for buffer overflow exploits due to use of pointers and manual
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
abpil...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Roshan Mathews rmath...@gmail.com wrote:
The looks like Python, runs like C++ is more than just marketing
speak.
If you haven't noticed, Looks like Python, runs like C++ has
Harish,
I [shall carefully reply to] you because I had
[searched my mail and found] that you were a serious
man, to be treated with respect. But I must say no to
you and let me give you my reasons. It's true I have a
lot of friends in [software], but they wouldn't be so
friendly if they knew my
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Darkseid lorddae...@gmail.com wrote:
you can only get so far with a
text editor*, no matter how many macros you have set up. Honestly.
Macros?? Really??? Don't you mean no matter how many scripts you
have set up :)
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Amit Sethi amit.pureene...@gmail.com wrote:
I am trying to develop a sort of keyword generator for blog posts much like
the Yahoo Keyword service . As an initial idea I am using the list of most
used 3000 words in project Gutenberg as being redundant . My
://norvig.com/python-iaq.html
Do let on if you find anything else particularly useful. :)
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it to evaluate only if the key is
missing.
Oh, alright.
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')
31955768
id('super man')
31955488
id('super man')
31956768
id('super man')
31955768
id('super man')
31955488
Also, http://mail.python.org/pipermail/tutor/2009-July/070157.html
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on
Sunday. :-S
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and IRC
Forums like say, http://stackoverflow.com/ ?
Real programmers like say, Alex Martelli ?
http://stackoverflow.com/users/95810/alex-martelli
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of such kind?
http://www.diveintopython.org/
http://www.diveintopython3.org/
HTH :)
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entries had got bookmarked and
lost in del.icio.us long ago.
Have you read both LS and SS? Where did you get them? I borrowed LS
from my brother some time back, but have been stuck at the place they
introduce the Y combinator. How is SS?
Roshan Mathews
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:10 PM, shameek ghosh shamee...@gmail.com wrote:
... [:)]
... [:P]...
... [:)]
... [:)]
Orkut overdose? :)
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factors causing airline accidents. But then others[1]
disagree, as with most social arguments it's hard to come to any
conclusion.
Makes interesting reading all the same. :)
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[1] http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/2008/12/05/askthepilot301
antediluvian joke ... must*
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extensively.
Examples include Amazon.com, bbc.co.uk, Booking.com [23]
(Priceline.com), Craigslist, IMDb [24], LiveJournal, Slashdot,
Ticketmaster and Zappos.com.
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl
If you're asking that is.
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Baiju M mba...@zeomega.com wrote:
Koha (http://www.koha.org) is great web application written in Perl.
Looks interesting. It's weird since someone just asked for library
management software on the Chennai LUG list.
Roshan Mathews
projects.
Oh, cool. Maybe you should talk on Perl, at one of the ChennaiPy
meets when the PyCon discussions are over. If you are interested, and
there are others who would want to attend one.
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Generalizations are always harmful.
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote:
On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 3:04:10 pm Roshan Mathews wrote:
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
abpil...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Baiju M mba...@zeomega.com wrote:
Now
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote:
On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 3:52:05 pm Roshan Mathews wrote:
The point still stands though.
it doesn't - and you haven't even spelt it properly
It might be a good idea to back away from the keyboard when you find
...
Speed matters. To programmers. So there's no need for the legal disclaimers.
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On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 6:59 PM, kunalkant sen kunalkant...@gmail.com wrote:
Python may not give you more job opportunity, but it will give you one of
the best job opportunity.
Why do you say that? Curious, that's all. :)
Roshan Mathews
on the local
LUG list some back, all it did was call a module function, but it left
me curious about the @#$language.
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Python 3.0, so you should take this
with a pinch of salt.
Python 2.6 is going to be around for a while, so if you're looking for
employment opportunities maybe that makes more sense.
http://diveintopython.org/ in that case.
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purpose language,
whereas
PHP was built from the ground up for the web.
FWIW, the comparison is between Python for web applications and PHP. :)
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On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 6:15 AM, harshal jadhav jadhav.hars...@gmail.com wrote:
I am using python language for GNU Radio. For this i have a sampled signal.
The signal is a sine wave. I have to trap each sample of this sine wave in
an array.
Is it possible to capture the samples of the sine wave
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Roshan Mathews rmath...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Aneesh A aneesh...@gmail.com wrote:
I have to store high scores, so i pickled a list . after pickling, in append
mode, load method loads only first object.
How to retrieve multiple objects
in range(10) ]
print list
pickle.dump(list, file('dump', 'wb'), -1)
list = pickle.load(file('dump', 'rb'))
print list
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On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Karthik urskarthi...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Friends, Can anybody please let me know if there are any coding
standards for python coding? Thanks.
http://google-styleguide.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/pyguide.html
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http://pythong.org/
:D
There's also the NSFW http://python.com
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On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Noufal Ibrahimnou...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 11:44 AM, sridsridhar.ra...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 8:09 PM, Roshan Mathewsrmath...@gmail.com wrote:
I recently read of an IDE for python which
code-stepping and a fancy debugger.
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 7:33 AM, sridsridhar.ra...@gmail.com wrote:
I too use print statements almost all the time. Even for debugging
CPython code. I guess it is due to my own laziness. Putting `print` or
`LOG.debug` is much easier/quicker compared to firing up a debugging
console (and
I think I just fell down the rabbit hole.
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Noufal Ibrahimnou...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Shivaraj M Sshivraj...@gmail.com wrote:
A small typo there
But an important one.
super(UID,self).Wind(7) is super(ClassI,self).Wind(7)
Well
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Baishampayan Ghoseb.gh...@gmail.com wrote:
I didn't call _you_ Jo[h]n Harrop, man :) I called the OP a troll
because his question is pretty much meaningless and is causing
unnecessary irritation.
May be it was because of the way I quoted the mail. Sorry for
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 6:31 PM, S.Ramaswamysrs...@gmail.com wrote:
What are the odds, I just downloaded this for later viewing yesterday. :)
Weird, I viewed the video a bit today morning.
memes I think these are called. :)
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On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Amit Sahaamitsaha...@gmail.com wrote:
Since, this is out of mere curiosity, for the moment, performance
would be simply the time taken to complete a task.
Please look at:
http://bitbucket.org/rm/substitutions/src/tip/prunepropogate.py#cl-86
This change (in
-reference/8131700445-tu23fqcqab
wonder how long it will take for the indian version of the 4th
edition to hit the markets.
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On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Dhananjay
Nenedhananjay.n...@gmail.com wrote:
I respect your calibre in training yourself. But cannot respect every
organisation has the same luxury of waiting for programmers to train
themselves so that they can eventually start using python. I trained
myself
On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Kiran Jonnalagaddaj...@pobox.com wrote:
I will add my little theory to this discussion.
Hahahaha :D
Nice writeup.
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On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Venkatraman S venka...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Amit Saha amitsaha...@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0237/. However, if any of you folks
know something concrete, I would appreciate it.
Try searching in c.l.p - i
Nice writeup, thank you.
Roshan
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Kiran Jonnalagadda j...@pobox.com wrote:
While seeking a weblog app to replace my ageing Plone+Quills installation, I
came across Zine, a Python-based WordPress clone. http://zine.pocoo.org/
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Venkatraman S venka...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Pushparajan V vpra...@gmail.com wrote:
Guess what ??.. already some set of people are getting involved into DS
with python to overtake java.. but always survival of the fittest and the
Since everyone seems to be mailing in today.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7760178035196894549
By one of the people behind Unladen Swallow incidentally. What's with
that name, btw? Quite the mouthful, hard to swallow, so to speak.
Regards,
Roshan Mathews
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
abpil...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/4/1 Venkatraman S venka...@gmail.com:
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Indrajith K indrajit...@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0401/
Not sure, if this is a April fool joke!
Come
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
abpil...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Roshan Mathews rmath...@gmail.com wrote:
Since everyone seems to be mailing in today.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7760178035196894549
By one of the people behind
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote:
So, is Thursday night 9:00 pm fine with everyone?
Fine with me.
~Roshan
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On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 4:25 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote:
https://svn.nrcfosshelpline.in/public/conference/branches/conference1/
https://svn.nrcfosshelpline.in/public/conference/branches/conference1.x/
~Roshan
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On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 3:14 PM, VidA v...@svaksha.com wrote:
Hi,
Maybe we should stick to the Wiki for the discussion with maybe weekly
reminders here that the discussion is going on there. :)
~Roshan
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On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
abpil...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
abpil...@gmail.com wrote:
import __phello__
Hello world...
Apparently, happens only the first time you import it ;)
import __phello__
Hello
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
abpil...@gmail.com wrote:
import this
...
love = this
this is love
True
love is True
False
love is False
False
love is not True or False
True
love is not True or False; love is love
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 2:56 AM, Sridhar Ratnakumar
sridhar.ra...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 7:46 AM, Roshan Mathews rmath...@gmail.com wrote:
The 'knowing the rules' vs. 'being proficient' argument is
also made in SICP
http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book-Z-H-11.html
to be pretty bad, maybe people
could read up on what they need to before the meet. :)
--
Roshan Mathews
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