Am going to sign out of this discussion. It would not be correct to
say it is reaching the point of diminishing returns. In fact for
myself it has turned more interesting. But its turned a bit esoteric.
Have been doing up some more reading and I drew a few conclusions for
myself
* Terms don't mean
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 11:40 PM, Saager Mhatre wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Dhananjay Nene
> wrote:
>
>> Since you suggested that "Superior constructs
>> implemented inferiorly." and did not respond to the line which
>> wondered if that was based on syntactic or stylistic difference
On 10/22/2013 1:10 PM, Saager Mhatre wrote:
[snip]
I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree on that last point. I
don't find the MOP implementation in Ruby or Groovy less per for many or
leading to obscure code. On the contrary, I find Python's 'rough-and-ready
tools' make for more confus
On Oct 22, 2013 10:54 AM, "Sirtaj Singh Kang" wrote:
>
> I agree with you partially - MOP in python can get ugly, but there's
plenty of power there. I'll try to explain, though this stuff is
notoriously hard to articulate (may be just for me).
>
Oh, trust me, it's not just you! We should start a
On 10/21/2013 11:53 AM, Saager Mhatre wrote:
[snip]
That's pretty much what always foiled my attempts at understanding Python
MetaClasses, I was looking for power where there was none to find. The best
comparison I could find was to Groovy's Compile time AST transforms, but
even those are even m
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 11:46 PM, Saager Mhatre wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Dhananjay Nene
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Dhruv Baldawa
>> wrote:
>> > Also take a look at videos by Raymond Hettinger
>> > http://pyvideo.org/speaker/138/raymond-hettinger
>>
>> I have
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 1:46 AM, Pranav Raj wrote:
> Hi fellow python lovers,
>
> I wanted to do OOPS programming in python, but i just found out that there
> are no private variables in python. Does anyone know why python classes
> have no private variables and why python's OOPS concept are a lo
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Dhananjay Nene
wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Dhruv Baldawa
> wrote:
> > Also take a look at videos by Raymond Hettinger
> > http://pyvideo.org/speaker/138/raymond-hettinger
>
> I have some serious reservations on how OO is packaged here. Wanted to
> p
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Dhananjay Nene wrote:
> Since you suggested that "Superior constructs
> implemented inferiorly." and did not respond to the line which
> wondered if that was based on syntactic or stylistic differences,
I believe I responded to that statement by saying that the d
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Saager Mhatre wrote:
> On Oct 21, 2013 3:21 PM, "Dhananjay Nene" wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Saager Mhatre
> wrote:
>> > On Oct 21, 2013 12:09 PM, "Dhananjay Nene"
> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Saager Mhatre <
> saager.
On Oct 21, 2013 3:21 PM, "Dhananjay Nene" wrote:
>
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Saager Mhatre
wrote:
> > On Oct 21, 2013 12:09 PM, "Dhananjay Nene"
wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Saager Mhatre <
saager.mha...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> > On Oct 21, 2013 11:39 AM, "Dhana
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Saager Mhatre wrote:
> On Oct 21, 2013 12:09 PM, "Dhananjay Nene" wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Saager Mhatre
> wrote:
>> > On Oct 21, 2013 11:39 AM, "Dhananjay Nene"
> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Saager Mhatre <
> saage
On Oct 21, 2013 12:09 PM, "Dhananjay Nene" wrote:
>
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Saager Mhatre
wrote:
> > On Oct 21, 2013 11:39 AM, "Dhananjay Nene"
wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Saager Mhatre <
saager.mha...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> > Which generally lead to p
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Saager Mhatre wrote:
> On Oct 21, 2013 11:39 AM, "Dhananjay Nene" wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Saager Mhatre
> wrote:
>>
>> > Which generally lead to poor (or at least poorer) abstractions; but I
> digress.
>>
>> Leaky ?? :)
>
> For the most p
On Oct 21, 2013 11:39 AM, "Dhananjay Nene" wrote:
>
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Saager Mhatre
wrote:
>
> > Which generally lead to poor (or at least poorer) abstractions; but I
digress.
>
> Leaky ?? :)
For the most part, yes.
> >
> >> I think OOPs concepts across a number of languages
On Oct 21, 2013 11:34 AM, "Noufal Ibrahim" wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> It's the final frontier beyond which space lies (sorry).
>
Dude, Space __is__ the final frontier! (Heh, see what I did there? :)
Anyway, thanks for the other refs.
- d
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On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Saager Mhatre wrote:
> On Oct 15, 2013 4:10 AM, "Dhananjay Nene" wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 1:46 AM, Pranav Raj
> wrote:
>> > Hi fellow python lovers,
>> >
>> > I wanted to do OOPS programming in python, but i just found out that
> there are no private
On Oct 21, 2013 11:14 AM, "Noufal Ibrahim" wrote:
>
> Saager Mhatre writes:
>
>
> [...]
>
> > since even slots are accessible from outside an object
>
> __slots__ are not meant for data hiding. They're meant as a final "trick"
to save memory when you have a large number of objects of the class yo
On Oct 21, 2013 1:18 AM, "s|s" wrote:
>
> Lets look at integer as an example in Python (int)
>
> class int(object)
>int(x[, base]) -> integer
>
> which is unlike java where int is a "basic" non-class type. An explicit
upgrade to **Integer** class is required to use OOP features. This is done
w
Saager Mhatre writes:
[...]
> Sigh! Implementing a reasonably important feature in an obscure manner
> (that too, not completely, since even slots are accessible from
> outside an object) is not in keeping with friendliness. I say this
> feature is reasonably important since it is repeatedly br
On Oct 18, 2013 10:54 AM, "s|s" wrote:
>
> Hi Pranav,
>
> I would pose a counter question regarding object oriented programming.
How did you learn OOP concepts? I am assuming like most of us, probably
through a C++ or Java course. These courses ingrain a certain expectation
of what OOP should "loo
On Oct 15, 2013 4:10 AM, "Dhananjay Nene" wrote:
>
> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 1:46 AM, Pranav Raj
wrote:
> > Hi fellow python lovers,
> >
> > I wanted to do OOPS programming in python, but i just found out that
there are no private variables in python. Does anyone know why python
classes have no p
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 5:58 PM, s|s wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Dhananjay Nene
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 4:44 PM, s|s wrote:
>> > Hi Pranav,
>> >
>> > I would pose a counter question regarding object oriented programming.
>> How
>> > did you learn OOP concepts? I am as
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Dhananjay Nene
wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 4:44 PM, s|s wrote:
> > Hi Pranav,
> >
> > I would pose a counter question regarding object oriented programming.
> How
> > did you learn OOP concepts? I am assuming like most of us, probably
> through
> > a C++ or
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 4:44 PM, s|s wrote:
> Hi Pranav,
>
> I would pose a counter question regarding object oriented programming. How
> did you learn OOP concepts? I am assuming like most of us, probably through
> a C++ or Java course. These courses ingrain a certain expectation of what
> OOP sh
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Dhruv Baldawa wrote:
> Also take a look at videos by Raymond Hettinger
> http://pyvideo.org/speaker/138/raymond-hettinger
I have some serious reservations on how OO is packaged here. Wanted to
post a detailed and articulate opinion, but it is going to take a
while
Hi Pranav,
I would pose a counter question regarding object oriented programming. How
did you learn OOP concepts? I am assuming like most of us, probably through
a C++ or Java course. These courses ingrain a certain expectation of what
OOP should "look like". Which to me seems to be a dis-service
Also take a look at videos by Raymond Hettinger
http://pyvideo.org/speaker/138/raymond-hettinger
--
Dhruv Baldawa
(http://www.dhruvb.com)
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 1:58 PM, T S KAMATH wrote:
> Dear Pranav,
>
> The following video would get you understand better
> http://www.sagemath.org/help-vid
Dear Pranav,
The following video would get you understand better
http://www.sagemath.org/help-video.html check for Google I_O 2008 - Painless
Python Part 1 & 2
Srikanth
On 14-Oct-2013, at 10:16 PM, Pranav Raj wrote:
Hi fellow python lovers,
I wanted to do OOPS programming in python, but i
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 1:46 AM, Pranav Raj wrote:
> Hi fellow python lovers,
>
> I wanted to do OOPS programming in python, but i just found out that there
> are no private variables in python. Does anyone know why python classes have
> no private variables and why python's OOPS concept are a l
Hi fellow python lovers,
I wanted to do OOPS programming in python, but i just found out that there are
no private variables in python. Does anyone know why python classes have no
private variables and why python's OOPS concept are a lot different from other
programming languages?
thank you,
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