Re: [BangPypers] "The Python I would like to see" - Armin Ronacher

On Tuesday 19 August 2014 10:29 PM, Gora Mohanty wrote: [snip] To revive an ancient meme about whom to credit memorable quotes to: Do not write code. Write code that writes code I move that this list be renamed to banglispers posthaste. -Taj. ___

Re: [BangPypers] "The Python I would like to see" - Armin Ronacher

Gosh, I am really late to this party. But it is interesting to see many views (and changes in views) mirroring my own. To address chandrakant kumar 's criticism of Python 3: > 1. Lack of packages ported to Python 3... Take a look at Python 3 Wall of SuperPowers .

Re: [BangPypers] "The Python I would like to see" - Armin Ronacher

Dear All, Interesting to note that this same point (about instantiating multiple interpreters was raised on our mailing list...about 3-4 years back) by Yours Truly :)) See the mail chain titled: *"Ideas for Python concurrency..."* Life is coming full circle :) Take care, Vishal Sapre Tha

Re: [BangPypers] "The Python I would like to see" - Armin Ronacher

Hi I am late to the party, adding my thoughts. - It is good to have Python spec and implementation decoupled from each other. By that it would be possible to have different run time. Lot of people say rust memory management is good, so someone can implement Python in rust. Though library compatib

Re: [BangPypers] "The Python I would like to see" - Armin Ronacher

On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 9:42 PM, Gora Mohanty wrote: > On 19 August 2014 21:24, Baiju M wrote: >> >> I would like to add one point about deployment of large and complex >> applications written in Python. Deployment of these types of applications >> are very difficult in Python. > > Would you plea

Re: [BangPypers] "The Python I would like to see" - Armin Ronacher

On Tuesday, August 19, 2014 at 9:24 PM, Baiju M wrote: > I would love to install single statically linked binaries for deployment. > Building these binaries should be very fact also, say less than 1 minute. There are multiple solutions to to this. One that twitter uses is called PEX, a conce

Re: [BangPypers] "The Python I would like to see" - Armin Ronacher

On 19 August 2014 21:58, Sriram Narayanan wrote: > On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 9:53 PM, Gora Mohanty wrote: > > >> We have been itching to goto Python 3, but the deal-breaker for us was >> Django >> not being ready. Now that Django does support Python 3, we did think again >> about >> moving, but he

Re: [BangPypers] "The Python I would like to see" - Armin Ronacher

On 19 August 2014 21:24, Baiju M wrote: > > I would like to add one point about deployment of large and complex > applications written in Python. Deployment of these types of applications > are very difficult in Python. Would you please elaborate on the difficulties? We are reasonably happy with

Re: [BangPypers] "The Python I would like to see" - Armin Ronacher

On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 9:53 PM, Gora Mohanty wrote: > We have been itching to goto Python 3, but the deal-breaker for us was > Django > not being ready. Now that Django does support Python 3, we did think again > about > moving, but held off exactly because of what you mention: Lack of > Python

Re: [BangPypers] "The Python I would like to see" - Armin Ronacher

On 19 August 2014 12:32, chandrakant kumar wrote: [...] > Following are the problems i faced that made me revert back to Python 2.7 - > > 1. Lack of packages ported to Python 3, one of the main advantages of using > Python is a large set of ready to be used packages, so that you can build > someth

Re: [BangPypers] "The Python I would like to see" - Armin Ronacher

I would like to add one point about deployment of large and complex applications written in Python. Deployment of these types of applications are very difficult in Python. I would love to install single statically linked binaries for deployment. Building these binaries should be very fact also, say

Re: [BangPypers] "The Python I would like to see" - Armin Ronacher

On 2014-08-19 14:05, Saager Mhatre wrote: [..] I realized this myself a long time ago, around the time I joined TW and started putting Ruby in production. However, all the dynlang love in the air at the time seemed to be blinding people to it. Since then I've sensed this sentiment among those

Re: [BangPypers] "The Python I would like to see" - Armin Ronacher

On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > On 2014-08-19 12:31, Saager Mhatre wrote: > >> That's just a question of testing strategy. If you're writing 'elaborate' >> tests at every layer, you're probably validating too much or exercising too >> much of the system at each layer of

Re: [BangPypers] "The Python I would like to see" - Armin Ronacher

On 2014-08-19 12:31, Saager Mhatre wrote: That's just a question of testing strategy. If you're writing 'elaborate' tests at every layer, you're probably validating too much or exercising too much of the system at each layer of testing. The cartesian product of tests required to validate ever

Re: [BangPypers] "The Python I would like to see" - Armin Ronacher

On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On 2014-08-19 11:11, Sriram Narayanan wrote: > > Hi Noufal, could you elaborate on this? I have enjoyed the freedom >> of non-static typing that Python and Ruby offer, but also sometimes miss >> the static type checking that C# and Java o

Re: [BangPypers] "The Python I would like to see" - Armin Ronacher

On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 1:12 AM, Gora Mohanty wrote: > On 18 August 2014 21:45, chandrakant kumar wrote: > > > > Python 3 has been a disappointment. > > I am bemused by absolutist comments like this. Could you explain how > exactly it was a disappointment for you in day-to-day work? > > Regards,

Re: [BangPypers] "The Python I would like to see" - Armin Ronacher

On 2014-08-19 11:23, Balachandran Sivakumar wrote: Is it because bugs are becoming harder to find, or maintenance is becoming difficult ? Both really. It's easy to take shortcuts and results in tech. debt that you have to pay back later. As someone said, if it talks like duck and wa

Re: [BangPypers] "The Python I would like to see" - Armin Ronacher

On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 1:12 AM, Gora Mohanty wrote: > On 18 August 2014 21:45, chandrakant kumar wrote: >> >> Python 3 has been a disappointment. > > I am bemused by absolutist comments like this. Could you explain how > exactly it was a disappointment for you in day-to-day work? > I also want t

Re: [BangPypers] "The Python I would like to see" - Armin Ronacher

Hi Noufal, On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On 2014-08-18 21:45, chandrakant kumar wrote: >> > > However, as the projects I deal with grow larger, I'm becoming increasingly > frustrated with Python (and dynamic languages in general). > Is it because bugs are be

Re: [BangPypers] "The Python I would like to see" - Armin Ronacher

On 2014-08-19 11:11, Sriram Narayanan wrote: Hi Noufal, could you elaborate on this? I have enjoyed the freedom of non-static typing that Python and Ruby offer, but also sometimes miss the static type checking that C# and Java offer. Yes. I like the freedom and they're great for prototyping.

Re: [BangPypers] "The Python I would like to see" - Armin Ronacher

On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On 2014-08-18 21:45, chandrakant kumar wrote: > >> Python 3 has been a disappointment. >> > > I haven't used it enough to judge (and this has, in my experience, been > the case with most critics). > > However, as the projects I deal with g

Re: [BangPypers] "The Python I would like to see" - Armin Ronacher

On 2014-08-18 21:45, chandrakant kumar wrote: Python 3 has been a disappointment. I haven't used it enough to judge (and this has, in my experience, been the case with most critics). However, as the projects I deal with grow larger, I'm becoming increasingly frustrated with Python (and dyna

Re: [BangPypers] "The Python I would like to see" - Armin Ronacher

On 18 August 2014 21:45, chandrakant kumar wrote: > > Python 3 has been a disappointment. I am bemused by absolutist comments like this. Could you explain how exactly it was a disappointment for you in day-to-day work? Regards, Gora ___ BangPypers mail

Re: [BangPypers] "The Python I would like to see" - Armin Ronacher

Hi, On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 9:45 PM, chandrakant kumar wrote: > Python 3 has been a disappointment. > http://asmeurer.github.io/python3-presentation/slides.html Here we go. :) Thanks -- Thank you Balachandran Sivakumar Arise Awake and stop not till the goal is reached.

Re: [BangPypers] "The Python I would like to see" - Armin Ronacher

Python 3 has been a disappointment. regards On Aug 18, 2014 5:21 PM, "Navin Pai" wrote: > An interesting take by Armin Ronacher on what he would like to see in > Python: > > http://lucumr.pocoo.org/2014/8/16/the-python-i-would-like-to-see/ > > Can't say I disagree :) > > Navin Pai >

[BangPypers] "The Python I would like to see" - Armin Ronacher

An interesting take by Armin Ronacher on what he would like to see in Python: http://lucumr.pocoo.org/2014/8/16/the-python-i-would-like-to-see/ Can't say I disagree :) Navin Pai ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/