[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Top luthiers of 11-courser?

2011-05-31 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear David, I think 'orchestral' pitch can be very misleading in relation to the pitching of lutes in mid/late 17th century France: there is really very little evidence for the use of lutes with other instruments in France throughout this period and thus no need to assume any confo

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Top luthiers of 11-courser?

2011-05-31 Thread Anthony Hind
Dear Martyn > Why should an instrument with a longer string length work 'better' with > gut? MH Until, Mimmo began making loaded Venices, it seems that most lutenists using a Charles Mouton style lute (de Troy), say 66,5cm, have tended to use wire-wound basses, or at best gimped basses.

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Top luthiers of 11-courser?

2011-05-31 Thread Anthony Hind
Dear Martyn Dear Anthony, > Why should an instrument with a longer string length work 'better' with > gut? Until, Mimmo began making loaded Venices, it seems that most lutenists using a Charles Mouton style lute (de Troy), say 66,5cm, have tended to use wire-wound basses, or at best g

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Top luthiers of 11-courser?

2011-05-31 Thread David R
On May 31, 2011, at 12:32 PM, Martyn Hodgson wrote: > The question was: what size of lute would a French lutenist around > 1670 have generally expected? The question was not, is it possible > to play the music on a significantly larger lute? (clearly, as I > wrote in Lute News 94 - it is); or

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Top luthiers of 11-courser?

2011-05-31 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear David, The question was: what size of lute would a French lutenist around 1670 have generally expected? The question was not, is it possible to play the music on a significantly larger lute? (clearly, as I wrote in Lute News 94 - it is); or even, what size of lute would on

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Top luthiers of 11-courser?

2011-05-31 Thread David R
On May 31, 2011, at 10:08 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote: Also see my correspondance with Bailes in recent issues of Lute News on the sizes of French lutes c.1670: the evidence (iconography, early measurements - especially the Talbot MS, extant instruments) indicates that a string length

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Top luthiers of 11-courser?

2011-05-31 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Anthony, Why should an instrument with a longer string length work 'better' with gut? Any advantage gained by the strings being longer is precisely offset by having to tune the whole instrument lower. If we follow the general rule that the stress on the highest string is t

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Top luthiers of 11-courser?

2011-05-31 Thread Anthony Hind
Dear Arto The question might be what the characteristics are that you are looking for in an 11-course baroque lute, and for what part of the 11c repertoire, and what type of stringing you are hoping to use (particularly for the basses), low tension:high tension, pure gut or loaded