[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Denis Gaultier

2017-12-10 Thread Francois-Pierre Goy
Hi, Â I don't think one can accuse Denis of having "hijacked" or "passed on works by Ennemond as his own". On the contrary, he was careful to distinguish their respective works in the Livre de tablature (for which he took a privilege as early as December 1669 ([1]http://gall

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Denis Gaultier

2017-12-10 Thread G. C.
Dear François-Pierre, thank you very much for the learned clarification. Now, if I read you correctly, you say there is little hope in finding a substantial number of pieces by Ennemond in vieil ton. This firmly contradicts what Jean-Marie Poirier has said about this only recently

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Denis Gaultier

2017-12-10 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
Hi to all, Interesting point of view from François-Pierre Goy, which doesn't surprise me at all ;-) ! As Goran wrote, there is no place for a "confrontation" or anything of the sort, so let me simply underline what my intimate belief is : there is quie a significant corpus of music in manuscripts

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Denis Gaultier

2017-12-10 Thread Andreas Schlegel
Hello, Different levels are now confused: 1. Ennemond lived during the times of the Vieil ton, the Accords nouveaux and the Nouvel accord ordinaire. We have many pieces which can be attributed to him in Vieil ton, only a few compositions in accords nouveaux which can doubtless attributed to hi

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Denis Gaultier

2017-12-10 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
No Andreas I never suggested that Denis could pass his cousin's pieces as his own. My theory is that Denis could have transposed some of his cousin's pieces into d minor to have them published, acknowledging their authorship, to save them from being transmitted with faults, full stop

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Denis Gaultier

2017-12-10 Thread Francois-Pierre Goy
 It seems you have misunderstood me, or that I haven't expressed myself clearly enough.  I perfectly know that there are more than 50 pieces credited to "Gaultier" (variously spelt), which appear in printed and mostly manuscript sources since 1610 and that, in spite of t

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Denis Gaultier

2017-12-10 Thread G. C.
I see! Thanks for clearing that up. So, I imagine not being alone in looking forward to a scholarly collection / edition of those 50 pieces, likely to be by Ennemond Gaultier in the old tuning. Best G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmo

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Denis Gaultier

2017-12-10 Thread Rob MacKillop
Didn't the English Lute Society have supplement devoted to a number of Ennemond's pieces in the old tuning? I vaguely recall reading through such a thing. Rob MacKillop On 10 Dec 2017 14:17, "G. C." <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: I see! Thanks for clearing that up. So, I ima

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Denis Gaultier

2017-12-10 Thread G. C.
That would be great to check out Rob. Some more specific info would help a lot. Thanks! G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Denis Gaultier

2017-12-10 Thread G. C.
This one gives no hits. Perhaps it was the LSA? [1]http://www.lutesociety.org/pages/index-of-tabulature-supplements On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 3:34 PM, G. C. <[2]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: That would be great to check out Rob. Some more specific info would help a lot. T

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Denis Gaultier

2017-12-10 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
Thank you nfor these precisions. I take note with satisfaction that you also credit Vieux Gaultier with around 50 pieces in old tuning, which is not nothing ! For the rest, I have also been playing and studying French music in a lot of different sources and all tunings worldwide for over 30 yea

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Denis Gaultier

2017-12-10 Thread G. C.
But then again, that index seems only to be up to 1999! G. On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 4:00 PM, G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: This one gives no hits. Perhaps it was the LSA? [1][2]http://www.lutesociety.org/pages/index-of-tabulature- supplements On Sun, De

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Denis Gaultier

2017-12-10 Thread Ralf Mattes
Am Sonntag, 10. Dezember 2017 16:11 CET, "G. C." schrieb: >But then again, that index seems only to be up to 1999! I'm pretty sure I played from that edition, most likely before mid90, maybe even late 80th. It's an edition of the pieces in old tuning from Basel University Library (and

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Denis Gaultier

2017-12-10 Thread Ralf Mattes
Am Sonntag, 10. Dezember 2017 16:24 CET, "Ralf Mattes" schrieb: > > Am Sonntag, 10. Dezember 2017 16:11 CET, "G. C." > schrieb: > > >But then again, that index seems only to be up to 1999! > > I'm pretty sure I played from that edition, most likely before mid90, maybe > even lat

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Denis Gaultier

2017-12-10 Thread G. C.
Many thanks Ralf, here's a beginning at least. Speaking of which, wouldn't / couldn't the number of courses of those ~50 vieil ton Gaultier pieces be an indication of authenticity, or are they all 11-course? G. On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 4:28 PM, Ralf Mattes <[1]r...@mh-freiburg.de>