[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: le Tocsein de Gautier

2008-12-31 Thread Anthony Hind
Having just discussed the tempo of La Cascade, with a friend who argued that it should not be too slow or you could lose the 'mimetic' cascading effect, I rather supposed le tocsein, as a gigue, might contain a mimetic rhythmic element. However, I just had a message from Jean-Daniel

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: le Tocsein de Gautier

2008-12-30 Thread Jorge Torres
On Dec 30, 2008, at 4:08 AM, Mathias Rösel wrote: With Perrine, both gigues (p. 24f, the other p. 29f.) and La Poste have C (= 4/4). I'm sorry, but that is not correct, all of the gigues (pp. 7, 18, 24, and 29) in Perrine's 1680 publication pieces de luth are in cut time or 2/2

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: le Tocsein de Gautier

2008-12-29 Thread Jorge Torres
Dear list: A few thoughts concerning the French duple-meter gigue. 1) The two examples of Toxin are not in 4/4 there is no time signature given. They are probably both in Binarie mineur or cut time or 2/2, again, see Perrine's distinction between an allemande and a gigue in his pieces,

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: le Tocsein de Gautier

2008-12-29 Thread Jerzy Zak
Dear Jorge and others, Years ago I've placed the question of binary and ternary GIGUES on this list (11th Dec. 2003) and the discussion wasn't much conclusive then, I must say - you can read it in the archive. On 2008-12-29, at 16:22, Jorge Torres wrote: Dear list: A few thoughts