Dear Bill, But on the smaller instrument you'll employ lower tensions - not the same tension as on a larger.
To my knowledge, Dowland in the 'Varietie' gives the clearest advice about this ('Of setting the right sizes of Strings upon the Lute'). .............. Wherefore first have consideration to the greatnesse or smallnesse of the Instrument, and thereby proportionably size your strings, appointing the bigger Lute the greater strings, and for the lesser Lute the smaller strings........ Mace says the same (page 65 speaking of the Stringing of the Lute) he writes 'And as to the Size, if it be a Large Lute, it must have the Rounder Strings; and a Small Lute, the Smaller' This is also, of course, sensible advice since, if we want the same 'feel' under the fingers (see earlier communications on this), we'll need to have lower tensions on smaller lutes and vice versa. Regarding 'feeI', I recall somebody amusingly (see archives) mentioning the feel of playing 'with iron bars' if we tried to pluck a small descant lute strung with, say, the strings used on a large bass lute and brought being both up to their relative pitches.................... rgds M --- On Sun, 18/3/12, William Samson <willsam...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: William Samson <willsam...@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD To: "Martyn Hodgson" <hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>, "baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Date: Sunday, 18 March, 2012, 10:03 Hi again Martyn, Yes indeed - The smaller lute will need thinner strings than the larger one but if you go by the highest string almost breaking, that will lead to a lower tension as the thickness of the chanterelle doesn't seem to be related to the pitch at which it breaks. What I'm getting around to asking is, how do the tensions of the basses in a small lute compare to the equivalents in a large lute? If the small lute has half the string length of the large, and is tuned an octave higher, the same tension will require the same string thickness. So if you use thinner basses the tension would need to be somewhat less. Most string calculators I've come across ask the user for the tension they want to use, but don't give much in the way of guidance to what a reasonable tension should be. Do you know if this has been investigated and written up anywhere? All the advice I can find is for medium-sized lutes and suggests tensions around 3kg per string. That would presumably be less for a much smaller lute. Bill From: Martyn Hodgson <[1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> To: "[2]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <[3]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; William Samson <[4]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk> Sent: Sunday, 18 March 2012, 9:33 Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD Dear Bill, Ah - but since we generally follow early advice and tune the highest string as high as it can stand, the pitching of the smaller lute will be higher than the larger (eg a whole tone between an instrument of 76 and one of 68cm). Also a smaller lute requires thinner strings than a larger one thus the stress (ie force pu area) and stiffness will be much the same. Comparing small pianos with larger is not the same comparison since they will both be tuned to the same pitch thus requiring, as you point out, thicker overwound strings for the smaller instrument. rgds Martyn --- On Sun, 18/3/12, William Samson <[5]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: William Samson <[6]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD To: "Martyn Hodgson" <[7]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>, "[8]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <[9]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Date: Sunday, 18 March, 2012, 9:22 Hi Martyn, I think some underlying assumptions need to be brought out here. The main difficulty with gut basses is the thickness of the string in comparison with its length. The thicker the string, other things being equal, the stiffer it will be and so less able to produce the higher harmonics - or at least to have them sounding in tune with the fundamental. This is why a small piano sounds so poor in the bass register compared to a concert grand - short thick basses. It's possible to make gut strings more flexible (high-twist, catlines and so on) and reduce this effect. The other thing is that thicker strings (again, other things being equal) have more internal friction and so lack sustain. This doesn't matter so much for a long thick string as for a short one of the same thickness. One way to try and get around this is to reduce the diameter of the basses on smaller lutes and this leads to lower tensions. There's only so far you can go with low tensions before the strings start to sound like rubber bands being pinged. This can be overcome by increasing the density of the string by 'loading' or gimping so that a thinner string can be tuned at a higher tension. Anyway - I'm gabbling here, because I don't have a joined-up understanding of the dynamics of thick vibrating strings, where stiffness and internal friction are significant factors. In summary, though, there must be a limit to how small you can make a 10c gut-strung lute and still produce an acceptable sound from it. Thoughts? Bill From: Martyn Hodgson <[10]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> To: Anthony Hind <[11]agno3ph...@yahoo.com> Cc: "[12]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <[13]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Sunday, 18 March 2012, 8:02 Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD Dear Anthony, There's no reason why such bass gut strings shouldn't work almost as well on a small lute as on a bigger one: simply the overall pitching will be higher (ie in both cases the highest string will be pulled up as close as possible to breaking stress). Martyn --- On Sat, 17/3/12, Anthony Hind <[1][14]agno3ph...@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Anthony Hind <[2][15]agno3ph...@yahoo.com> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD To: "Edward Martin" <[3][16]e...@gamutstrings.com> Cc: "[4][17]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <[5][18]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Date: Saturday, 17 March, 2012, 12:22 Dear Ed and All Many of us seemed to have enjoyed and been influenced by that Reflexe recording, and indeed the wonderful Reflexe and Astree LPs in the 70s were how I was introduced to the pioneers; until I had the chance of actually hearing some of them, Hoppy, and POD, Jakob Lindberg, but unfortunately never Anthony Bailes. % I would gladly try those geared pegs, but I would also be loth to remove Stephen Gottlieb's very elegant sculpted ones, but perhaps the originals could be grafted on to the geared ones? When I remember to make the effort, Wolfgang Fruh's peg-turner does go someway to gearing the peg turn. I bought it for the occasion when tend pegs stick, but actually it works best on pegs that don't stick. It seems to make them more precise. Without the turner, the string jumps above and then below the desired tuning point, with the tuner it seems to go much more smoothly. Of course, it does not have the accuracy of your marvellous geared pegs. How wonderful to be the neighbour of an expert lute and string maker! % Perhaps your present success with pure gut Pistoys also relates to the ultra hard table that Dan managed to make for your lute. I understand tables can harden with the years, so perhaps your lute has some of the sustain of an old lute, that helps your lute's response to your stringing? Of course, with AB's 76cm string length it wouldn't be so surprising if pure gut Pistoys did work well on the Wengerer lute, but if you manage a free sounding bass, without a hint of tubbiness, it will be quite an achievement for a 67cm lute in all Pistoy basses! % I had wanted to add a link to T. Satoh playing the Greiff, to compare with low tension stringing of an old lute. I tried to use the old links I have on my computer, but they all failed. I then tried to go on the Channel Island Classic site, and Firefox signalled warnings that the site had a very poor reputation. I couldn't understand how that could be, but fearing it might be a scam site. I stopped my attempts, which is a pity, as it would be interesting to compare. % You haven't said what tension you have on your basses, and your octaves, but would you classify it as light, medium or heavy? regards Anthony __________________________________________________________________ De : Edward Martin <[1][6][19]e...@gamutstrings.com> A : Anthony Hind <[2][7][20]agno3ph...@yahoo.com>; "[3][8][21]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <[4][9][22]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Envoye le : Samedi 17 mars 2012 1h08 Objet : Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD Dear Anthony and all, I also very much enjoy that old recording of AB on EMI Reflexe. A great, old recording. Your statement that "(although, I imagine that with his 76cm lute pure gut basses should also work well)" is in complete agreement with my recent experimentation. As you know, I have been doing some experimentation on my "French" lute, which is now one year old. It is 67.5 cm 11-course Frei. Recently, I put on plain gut, down to the 10th course (actually, Pistoys on the 5th, and Pistoy fundamentals on 6-10) The 11th course still has a loaded gut fundamental from Mimmo. That is the only metal I have on this lute, and I want to say that I am quite happy with the sound of the pure (Pistoy) gut, i.e., without metal). In fact, I prefer it to loaded gut. I just have not gotten around to trying the 11th fundamental in pure gut, but when I do, I think it will work just fine. String makers have done a terrific job in research and production of incorporating of metal into gut, but for my 11-course lute with no bass extension, is very nice indeed. using pure gut. They do not sound "tubby" at all. Unfortunately, I have not recorded this instrument yet, but will, using this stringing configuration. In my opinion, at least when discussing French baroque lute music, this is certainly worth trying. Another factor........ I have just made a huge modification on the 11-course lute. I have just installed planetary gears, instead of pegs. I know some people disapprove of this, but for many reasons, I am very, very happy with the results. They are expensive - that is a drawback. The thing is, friction pegs can be problematic, and even the best ones, perfectly fitted, do slip a little but. These "pegs" look _exactly_ like an ebony lute peg, but then _never_ slip or stick. They are geared to 25% of the turning of a friction peg; in other words, one must turn 4 times the distance one would turn using a friction peg. This makes tuning much, much more accurate, and it does not stick, and the action is very fluid. The weight is identical to a lute peg, so no weight is added. With these gears, it is actually, a joy to tune! Sometimes with friction pegs, I may be more hesitant to make micro-adjustments in tuning, but with planetary gears, they are so smooth, fast, and accurate, it seems as though my lute sounds so much better, as it is little to nothing to finely adjust the tuning. I now have my 2 favorite instruments in these gears - my vihuela, and 11-course lute. In short, it is a winning combination - the beautiful sound in gut, with greatly improved tuning. ed At 10:07 AM 3/16/2012, Anthony Hind wrote: > Dear All > Anthony Bailes LP recording of 'Pieces de luth'; EMI REFLEXE; > IC 06330938, was my introduction to French baroque lute music. > After that I was hooked. > I have enjoyed his recent CDs (although I had not yet heard this, his > most recent one), but regret that the recordings (in particular "Old > Gautiers Nightinghall") do seem to have become a little more > reverberant, which may take away somewhat from his recent excellent > string choices on the Wengerer: Nick Baldock trebles, Dan Larson, Lyons > Meanes, and Mimmo Peruffo loaded basses (v AB seems to be > one of the few pioneers still experimenting seriously in gut stringing. > % > Indeed, Anthony B. has always had an experimental atttitude to historic > research. In his excellent article for Lute News 85, April 2008, he > said, of the old Bologna lutes so sought after by the French, that > Trichet tells us "French lute players were looking for instruments > which were very resonant, and capable of sustain"; and he goes on to > tell us of his experience of playing old lutes, "The last, and most > important point is that notes on such instruments have more sustain > coupled with a more gradual and even decay to the sound. This is > particularly important as it can give the impression that a note sounds > on longer than it actually does." > In his Gaultier recordings, AB considers this so necessary to his > interpretation of this music that he appears willing to sacrifice ideal > string length (and possibly barring), adopting the 76cm historic Wenger > lute, just for the greater sustain this vintage lute affords. > % > Jakob Lindberg seems to confirm AB's experience, claiming two almost > contradictory characteristics for his Rauwolf: "this has exactly what I > want. It has that clarity but also sustain, which is amazing". > % > It seems to be the function of this quality that AB is seeking to study > with his recent recordings, at the expense of any characteristic > specifically associated with more usual string lengths of around 68 cm > (as correctly suggested by Martyn). Of course one might have preferred > AB to have discovered another 69.5 cm Rauwolf, Greiff (or whatever), > but no doubt he had to settle for the Wenger, or possibly chose it to > isolate what this could bring, in spite of string length and barring > differences. > % > The question then (implied by Martyn) is what AB may have gained or > lost in choosing a lute which might seem more suitable for late German > Baroque. > AB mentions the elegeance and economy in the music, and it is possible > that this also extended to the playing position and thus the length of > the lute chosen, as seen in the rather nonchalant confortable elegant > style of Charles Mouton: > [1][5][10][23]http://tinyurl.com/39r6xvd > However, AB does have very long fingers, and seems to have very little > problem in playing with such string lengths: > [2][6][11][24]http://tinyurl.com/77x475k > Although the two do indeed look very different (and possibly, as Martyn > says, the second might have been incongruous to a French audience of > the time). > % > Soundwise, and this could be more important, we might have expected the > 276 year old Wenger to have lost a little in the mid register (as > compared to the 80 to 100 year old 68 cm lutes that the French were > seeking out), and with perhaps more bass presence, due to the 76cm > loaded basses: the French with their smaller lutes, may rather have > been exploring the mid range, at the expense of these frequency > extremes. > Only listening to AB playing French music with this lute can confirm or > infirm, whether this is indeed the case. > Unfortunateley, MP3 and recording equipment may not be up to the job of > discriminating this (can we be sure that we are not hearing the mics, > the room acoustics rather than differences in lutes). > But here is a recording of a modern 67cm Warwick Frei (415) strung in a > not too different way, from the Wenger, with loaded basses and Nick > Baldock Meanes and trebles. > [3][7][12][25]http://luthiste.com/downloads/Mouton.mp3 > and here is an extract from Une Douceur violente, AB on the Wengere > lute (375, loaded Basses, Larson Meanes, Baldock Trebles): > Seventeenth-century French lute music > [1][4][8][13][26]http://www.ramee.org/extraitsramee/1104/1104-01.mp3 > % > Personally, trying only to concentrate on the tonal differences, and > abstracting from player's style, as well as recording level and 415/370 > pitch (an almost impossible task?) I enjoy both, and I do hear a great > deal of "presence" in the case of the old lute (with no obvious mid > lack), but with exactly the slightly veiled (slightly nasal?) quality, > which AB claims obliges him to play well back near the bridge with old > lutes; this is my reaction, but I am not a musicologist, specialist in > french baroque music. > Just to compare, here is the 69cm Rauwolf (with some gimped basses and > some first generation loaded) but playing Weiss: > [5][9][14][27]http://www.musicamano.com/music/weiss.mp3 > I do find the Rauwolf more "agile" (which might be important for the > French repertoire) and a little less veiled and nasal; and this could > indeed be something to do with the difference of string length, or just > relating to the recording differences. > % > Finally an extract from "Old Gautiers Nightinghall" with AB playing on > a modern 12c lute, by Paul Thomson (stringing?): > [6][10][15][28]http://www.ramee.org/extraitsramee/0707/0707_01.MP3 > The sound to me, here, is more bright (due to the pitch?), but with > less depth; however, this is not the same tuning (or stringing), and > the recording is more reverberant. > $ > In conclusion, Martyn is right, I don't think we should advocate > performing French lute music with non-j-barred, 76cm lutes, and I > understand his "mise en garde" to that effect (would any one, including > AB, order the Wengerer model from their lutemaker for the French > repertoire? I would doubt it; while I for one did hesitate about > ordering a 69cm Rauwolf, before going for a 70cm Warwick); but I have > enjoyed the sound of the short extract from Une Douceur violente, in > spite of any doubts I might have had. > That is of course just a personal reaction from a non specialist, > addicted to AB's old LP. > Regards > Anthony > ________________________________ > De : Edward Martin <[2][7][11][16][29]e...@gamutstrings.com> > A : [3][8][12][17][30]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Envoye le : Vendredi 16 mars 2012 3h50 > Objet : [BAROQUE-LUTE] Ne Anthony Bailes CD > Dear Ones, > For those on the list who enjoy well played 11-course French baroque > lute, there is a new release by Abthony Bailes, on the Ramee > label. it is entitled, 'Une Douceur violente", and it contains works > of Mouton and Gallot. He recorded this program on his authentic lute > by Georgi Ferdinand Wenger, Augsburg, 1722. The catalog number is > RAM 1104, and it is available in the USA, in usual outlets. > This is an announcement, not a review. The instrument is a large > one, and the pitch is consequently quite low, at a70, in essence > making it in a b-minor tuning. Beautiful sound and playing, highly > recommended. > ed > Edward Martin > 2817 East 2nd Street > Duluth, Minnesota 55812 > e-mail: [4][9][13][18][31]e...@gamutstrings.com > voice: (218) 728-1202 > [5][10][14][19][32]http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id60298871&re f=name > [6][11][15][20][33]http://www.myspace.com/edslute > [7][12][16][21][34]http://magnatune.com/artists/edward_martin > To get on or off this list see list information at > [8][13][17][22][35]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index .html > > -- > > References > > 1. 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